Moon square Neptune

I'm interested in harmonics but have no clue about them! Are they the same descrptions like a natal? What does the 13th represent?

Harmonics
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ight=harmonics
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/harmonics32.1.html

Harmonic charts involve multiplying the positions of planets by a number so that they move to new points, and each number corresponds to a house, basically.
As I understand it the second Harmonic chart would shift things around such that oppositions become conjunctions,
in the 3rd harmonic trines would become conjunctions, in the 4th, squares become conjunctions.
The 1st harmonic is just your basic natal chart, so conjunctions are conjunctions.
The actual nuts-and-bolts of how it works are a bit hazy for me, and I haven't really looked at harmonic charts much at all so I couldn't say anything as to their usefulness or accuracy or anything, let alone interpretation.


Some VERY IMPORTANT words of caution:

1) DON'T EVER try to do aspects between harmonics of different numbers. They are totally different animals.

2) There are no signs or houses in harmonic charts. Remember that everything has been rearranged, so please don't do sign or house interpretations because they are no longer there. The purpose of harmonics is to get more information about aspects and aspect patterns.


Now, let's take a look at some actual harmonics and how they can add depth to horoscope interpretation.

The Fourth Harmonic: The 4th harmonic shows how we deal with stress, strain, and struggle. When you construct a 4th harmonic chart, all of the conjunction, square, and opposition aspects in the original horoscope appear as conjunctions and this makes them easier to see. Of course, these aspects are pretty easy to see in the original horoscope as well, so what's the point? The point is that the minor aspects, the semi-square (45 degrees) and sequa-square (135 degrees), which are difficult to spot by a quick visual inspection, now appear as oppositions, and can be seen at a glance. Not only that, but other minor stress aspects (22 ½ degrees, 67 ½ degrees, 157 ½ degrees), which can take a very long time to locate, now become squares. In the 4th harmonic, whole patterns of stress aspects can be spotted, and this gives you a big edge for interpretation.


The Fifth Harmonic: The 5th harmonic chart indicates talent, if any. In the 5th harmonic chart, all of the quintiles and bi-quintiles come together as conjunctions, making them very easy to spot. The semi-quintiles and sesqua-quintiles become oppositions. Quintiles are one fifth of a circle (72 degrees) and they give talent and power, and show our ability to put things together (pattern recognition). It also has to do with creative play, the joy of making up games of finding patterns (like looking for "patterns" of cracks in the ceiling, or always stepping on cracks in the sidewalk, or always avoiding the cracks). People with strong 5th harmonics do things like that all the time.

Of course, taken to the extreme, this is a mental disorder, but those with a strong 5th harmonic usually manage to keep it under control, and then it becomes the basis for creative talent. You don't need a strong 5th harmonic to succeed as an artist, designer, scientist, or engineer, but it really helps.
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/astrological-aspects/quintile-5th-harmonic.php
http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/quintile_biquintile.html

This aspect is considered somewhat similar to a semi-sextile (moderately beneficial), but effort is not needed to reap its benefits. Indicates talent and vaguely fortunate circumstances.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_aspect#Quintile
 
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I was asking a question not making a statement and yes my Moon oddly enough is in my 12 house.

Not *oddly* to me, the house of isolation, addiction, cadent, hidden, problems around mother.....

you asked,
Would any aspect between Moon and Neptune indicate substance abuse problems? My Moon conjuncts Neptune. :whistling:

AND I'm answering--- research your planet(s) in your 12th house..:unsure:

12th house planets/aspects
http://astroveda.wikidot.com/stars-in-twelfth-house
http://practicalastrology.prettyfedu...uses3.htm#12th
http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_dgtwehouse_e.htm

http://www.dkfoundation.co.uk/dkfoundation/dkfArtTwelfthHouse.htm
http://www.gotohoroscope.com/houses-in-chart-12th.html
http://www.dkfoundation.co.uk/dkfoun...rmaHouse12.htm
http://www.astrology-numerology.com/inhouses-sun.html#Twelfth

http://12th.tribe.net/thread/c160721f-6268-42d8-bf31-897977f99188
http://www.astrologyindepth.com/The_12th_house
http://www.myastrologybook.com/Mercury-Venus-in-the-twelfth-house-12th-house.htm
http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/venusinhouses.html
youtube video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QhUTcG--1Y&feature=related

Research threads on AW
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43270
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41125&highlight=guardian+angel
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=339098#post339098
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3173&highlight=12th+house
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19818&highlight=12th+house
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18312&highlight=12th+house
 

VenusInTaurus

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I have no problems with "addictions" lol BUT I always find myself day dreaming and thinking/imagining scenarios of how I want things to "go" :whistling:
 

lilithofeden

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Harmonics
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ight=harmonics
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/harmonics32.1.html

Harmonic charts involve multiplying the positions of planets by a number so that they move to new points, and each number corresponds to a house, basically.
As I understand it the second Harmonic chart would shift things around such that oppositions become conjunctions,
in the 3rd harmonic trines would become conjunctions, in the 4th, squares become conjunctions.
The 1st harmonic is just your basic natal chart, so conjunctions are conjunctions.
The actual nuts-and-bolts of how it works are a bit hazy for me, and I haven't really looked at harmonic charts much at all so I couldn't say anything as to their usefulness or accuracy or anything, let alone interpretation.
Clearer explanations found here: http://www.newage-directory.com/harmonic.htm


Some VERY IMPORTANT words of caution:

1) DON'T EVER try to do aspects between harmonics of different numbers. They are totally different animals.

2) There are no signs or houses in harmonic charts. Remember that everything has been rearranged, so please don't do sign or house interpretations because they are no longer there. The purpose of harmonics is to get more information about aspects and aspect patterns.


Now, let's take a look at some actual harmonics and how they can add depth to horoscope interpretation.

The Fourth Harmonic: The 4th harmonic shows how we deal with stress, strain, and struggle. When you construct a 4th harmonic chart, all of the conjunction, square, and opposition aspects in the original horoscope appear as conjunctions and this makes them easier to see. Of course, these aspects are pretty easy to see in the original horoscope as well, so what's the point? The point is that the minor aspects, the semi-square (45 degrees) and sequa-square (135 degrees), which are difficult to spot by a quick visual inspection, now appear as oppositions, and can be seen at a glance. Not only that, but other minor stress aspects (22 ½ degrees, 67 ½ degrees, 157 ½ degrees), which can take a very long time to locate, now become squares. In the 4th harmonic, whole patterns of stress aspects can be spotted, and this gives you a big edge for interpretation.


The Fifth Harmonic: The 5th harmonic chart indicates talent, if any. In the 5th harmonic chart, all of the quintiles and bi-quintiles come together as conjunctions, making them very easy to spot. The semi-quintiles and sesqua-quintiles become oppositions. Quintiles are one fifth of a circle (72 degrees) and they give talent and power, and show our ability to put things together (pattern recognition). It also has to do with creative play, the joy of making up games of finding patterns (like looking for "patterns" of cracks in the ceiling, or always stepping on cracks in the sidewalk, or always avoiding the cracks). People with strong 5th harmonics do things like that all the time.

Of course, taken to the extreme, this is a mental disorder, but those with a strong 5th harmonic usually manage to keep it under control, and then it becomes the basis for creative talent. You don't need a strong 5th harmonic to succeed as an artist, designer, scientist, or engineer, but it really helps.
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/astrological-aspects/quintile-5th-harmonic.php
http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/quintile_biquintile.html

This aspect is considered somewhat similar to a semi-sextile (moderately beneficial), but effort is not needed to reap its benefits. Indicates talent and vaguely fortunate circumstances.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_aspect#Quintile

Wow very interesting! I always did stuff like that.. always. I would walk home and make up a stupid silly walking game in my head like I could only make one footstep on each "block" in the sidewalk, or I could do one step in 2 blocks and one on the crack, but the second time it was on the crack it had to be with my other foot to make it "equal". LOL omg and I always made things out of the wall, ceiling, floors.. oh geez. What mental disorder do I have? LOL Now I really want to check out my 5th harmonics chart!

I also have Neptune conjunct Uranus in my 5th which also adds to my creativity.
 

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VenusInTaurus

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Here is my chart. I have a lot of aspects to my Neptune.

Moon Conjunct Neptune
Uranus Conjunct Neptune
Mars Square Neptune

...and if you want to go there lol...I also have Jupiter, Sun, Venus and Mercury Trine Neptune
 

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Wow very interesting! I always did stuff like that.. always. I would walk home and make up a stupid silly walking game in my head like I could only make one footstep on each "block" in the sidewalk, or I could do one step in 2 blocks and one on the crack, but the second time it was on the crack it had to be with my other foot to make it "equal". LOL omg and I always made things out of the wall, ceiling, floors.. oh geez. What mental disorder do I have? LOL Now I really want to check out my 5th harmonics chart!

I also have Neptune conjunct Uranus in my 5th which also adds to my creativity.

I tend to reduce the orbs on astro down to 85% to bring in line with more mainstream orbs. so the sextiles from uranus/neptune to mercury/pluto I would consider not valid. Therefore these two are considered afflicted....

Wherever your Neptune is, "is where you carry your cross and where you will be called upon to make a sacrifice!" True sacrifices are never usually recognised, or else they could turn into martyrdom!

Neptune in 5th House – succeedent house
Unconscious desire for love and appreciation through romance and creative expression. May have artistic talents. Especially to do with music, children, or the stock markets. Ability to play a role. Love of theatre. Very sympathetic. ­intuition strong here. This house describes love affairs and children. Romance over‑idealise. love at first sight. Romance seen through ­rose‑tinted glasses! Did you have gas and air or ­anesthetic during childbirth?
Artistic/creative children, secretive children, depending on aspects. Private enterprise ‑ beware the dangling carrot, be very wary of.


The sign position of Uranus indicates our restlessness and what for us is individual, modern and thrilling. The house position of Uranus indicates where we desire free expression, seek to be different, and where things get turned upside down! Shocks, surprises, upheavals, freedom, independence. Uranus being a higher octave of mercury, like Neptune is a higher octave of venus. The house Uranus is in is where we seek to be different, want free expressions and where things get turned upside down.

Uranus in 5th House - succeedent house
· You could have sudden (stop/go) and unusual romantic ­involvements.
· You will seek pleasurable and exciting pursuits, whether artistic, musically or creativity
· Could have gifted or unusual children. You will give them a lot of freedom and encourage them to be inventive. Children are original, independent and unusual.
· Self restraint and self-knowledge are needed as this person can be reckless and foolhardy.
· Unconventional where love affairs are concerned. Wants to feel free no matter what the cost – as in no strings
· Wants to work for himself rather than for others. (house of self employment)

back to moon neptune square, did any of you have any 'eating disorders' or problems?
 

VenusInTaurus

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I tend to reduce the orbs on astro down to 85% to bring in line with more mainstream orbs. so the sextiles from uranus/neptune to mercury/pluto I would consider not valid. Therefore these two are considered afflicted....

Wherever your Neptune is, "is where you carry your cross and where you will be called upon to make a sacrifice!" True sacrifices are never usually recognised, or else they could turn into martyrdom!

Neptune in 5th House – succeedent house
Unconscious desire for love and appreciation through romance and creative expression. May have artistic talents. Especially to do with music, children, or the stock markets. Ability to play a role. Love of theatre. Very sympathetic. *intuition strong here. This house describes love affairs and children. Romance over‑idealise. love at first sight. Romance seen through *rose‑tinted glasses! Did you have gas and air or *anesthetic during childbirth?
Artistic/creative children, secretive children, depending on aspects. Private enterprise ‑ beware the dangling carrot, be very wary of.


The sign position of Uranus indicates our restlessness and what for us is individual, modern and thrilling. The house position of Uranus indicates where we desire free expression, seek to be different, and where things get turned upside down! Shocks, surprises, upheavals, freedom, independence. Uranus being a higher octave of mercury, like Neptune is a higher octave of venus. The house Uranus is in is where we seek to be different, want free expressions and where things get turned upside down.

Uranus in 5th House - succeedent house
· You could have sudden (stop/go) and unusual romantic *involvements.
· You will seek pleasurable and exciting pursuits, whether artistic, musically or creativity
· Could have gifted or unusual children. You will give them a lot of freedom and encourage them to be inventive. Children are original, independent and unusual.
· Self restraint and self-knowledge are needed as this person can be reckless and foolhardy.
· Unconventional where love affairs are concerned. Wants to feel free no matter what the cost – as in no strings
· Wants to work for himself rather than for others. (house of self employment)

back to moon neptune square, did any of you have any 'eating disorders' or problems?

I had an eating disorder! But I don't have a square between my Moon and Neptune. Interesting! :surprised:
 
Here is my chart. I have a lot of aspects to my Neptune.

Moon Conjunct Neptune
Uranus Conjunct Neptune [this is simply generational]
Mars Square Neptune

...and if you want to go there lol...I also have Jupiter, Sun, Venus and Mercury Trine Neptune


So you moon in cappi, is in detriment and afflicted being in 12th where the planets energies get somewhat dissolved. Moon square mars suggests rather bossy mother.

In Equal house your stellium (like mine) is in 4th house domicile and involved in T Square

Age 6 anyone die or disappear? just looking at solar arc pluto onto MC...

Age 13 did you have to take on some kind of responsibility? become serious about studying? did a parent become cool, aloof, distant, disappear?
SA Asc conj saturn.

mars and saturn are both singletons and a massive amount in earth. I notice your jupiter inEqual would be 8th house, like mine. You know what they say about jupiter enlargening things....:innocent: :innocent: :innocent:
 

VenusInTaurus

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So you moon in cappi, is in detriment and afflicted being in 12th where the planets energies get somewhat dissolved. Moon square mars suggests rather bossy mother.

In Equal house your stellium (like mine) is in 4th house domicile and involved in T Square

Age 6 anyone die or disappear? just looking at solar arc pluto onto MC...

Age 13 did you have to take on some kind of responsibility? become serious about studying? did a parent become cool, aloof, distant, disappear?
SA Asc conj saturn.

mars and saturn are both singletons and a massive amount in earth. I notice your jupiter inEqual would be 8th house, like mine. You know what they say about jupiter enlargening things....:innocent: :innocent: :innocent:

Nothing significant happend at at age 6 or 13. Both my Mars and Moon are in 10 degrees, does this by any chance intensify the square?

I don't want to say anything about the Jupiter in the 8th enlarging things because it is rather true :innocent::innocent::lol:
 
Nothing significant happend at at age 6 or 13. Both my Mars and Moon are in 10 degrees, does this by any chance intensify the square?

I don't want to say anything about the Jupiter in the 8th enlarging things because it is rather true :innocent::innocent::lol:

Very much so, it's exact, now mars in exalted cappi here is stronger than moon in detriment in 12th house. Here you hide the emotions, quite poss hold some resentment towards mother, either smother loved or emotionally neglected. I have moon opp neptune which is same thing and my orbs 2' quite tight...

In Equal aries/mars rules 3rd and posited in 2nd could suggest working with a sibling, neighbours that increases your sense of self worth or earning capacity in some way...

cancer/moon rules 6th and placed in 12th...

Ruler of the Sixth House in the Twelfth House
"You're willing to work hard helping other people. Remember, though, that your health and well-being could very well depend on your ability to say no. Learn to draw some boundaries on your time and energies.
There might be some family karma issues that stem from past lives scenarios that will be worked out in this lifetime. Forgiveness may be the key. Too much worry and concern over details can actually create your own undoing. Perfection is a fine thing to seek, but compulsive attitudes can prevent you from finishing what you start."
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/houserulerships.htm#hr6
 

VenusInTaurus

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Very much so, it's exact, now mars in exalted cappi here is stronger than moon in detriment in 12th house. Here you hide the emotions, quite poss hold some resentment towards mother, either smother loved or emotionally neglected. I have moon opp neptune which is same thing and my orbs 2' quite tight...

In Equal aries/mars rules 3rd and posited in 2nd could suggest working with a sibling, neighbours that increases your sense of self worth or earning capacity in some way...

cancer/moon rules 6th and placed in 12th...

Ruler of the Sixth House in the Twelfth House
"You're willing to work hard helping other people. Remember, though, that your health and well-being could very well depend on your ability to say no. Learn to draw some boundaries on your time and energies.
There might be some family karma issues that stem from past lives scenarios that will be worked out in this lifetime. Forgiveness may be the key. Too much worry and concern over details can actually create your own undoing. Perfection is a fine thing to seek, but compulsive attitudes can prevent you from finishing what you start."
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/houserulerships.htm#hr6

But my Mars is in Aries. Isn't it in the third?
 
But my Mars is in Aries. Isn't it in the third?

Not in Equal house it's not...:love:

I use Equal House system (where each cusp is same as Ascendant) and am a modern astrologer. Lots of newcomers come into Astrology/forums and get a free chart from www.astro.com and the default ‘house system’ used is Placidus and think that’s just the norm and all there is……..BUT that is just the tip of the iceberg. You can change the default on astro.com in Extended Chart selection to Equal house and a few others if you wish to experiment…..

Within the mainstream here on AW of placidus/equal houses (the default on astro is placidus) only difference being some planets may move from one house to another thereby altering it's interpretation and it's 'only' with research will you find which /planets 'fit you' in which houses. So my advice, do two charts, research any planets that move houses and see which you identity with - simple


Youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAwGtMWl4z4
 

VenusInTaurus

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Very much so, it's exact, now mars in exalted cappi here is stronger than moon in detriment in 12th house. Here you hide the emotions, quite poss hold some resentment towards mother, either smother loved or emotionally neglected. I have moon opp neptune which is same thing and my orbs 2' quite tight..

Well I do have my Moon in CAPRICORN so I tend to hide my emotions regardless. Me and my Mother get along super well but then again My Sun trines her Sun (Sun in Virgo). When we do argue or fight it is very bitter, lets just say our Moons do not like each other and trying to live with her can be torment (She has Moon in Leo) lol She is a strong woman (Leo rising as well) and she is not the most nurturing mother but she is very loving and I never really felt emotionally neglected.

On another note I feel that Moon in Capricorn is SO misunderstood. It is not that we neglect our emotions, but we do not put it on display. We think before we feel because we do not want to react to things in a overlay emotional manner. We may dislike all of thae dramatic tear jerking stuff but we are very sensitive. We are very sensual and can actually very nurturing. We like to have control over our emotions and the reason behind that is we are afraid of being hurt! :sad:
 
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