as far as joys, you are wrong
No, Tik, I'm not incorrect. The planets rejoice in those houses listed above. The first house I listed was their house of joy, the houses following are the houses they naturally co-signify. I checked several astrological glossaries and could find no such double meaning, and when doing a search of the word "joy" in Tetrabiblios could not find it in any such context. Not saying the link is offering incorrect information, just that I can find nothing else to back it up.
Saturn only rejoys in 12th house .. okay fine
No, Saturn only finds joy in the Twelfth house, however, he rejoices in two others as well. (It's kind of a sneaky, subtle difference, I know) These are given to us by Culpeper who states the very same thing I did.
Culpeper "Astrological Judgment of Diseases said:
The Sun delighteth in the 4th, 9th & 11th houses.
The Moon rejoyceth in the 3rd and 7th houses.
Saturn rejoyceth in the Ascendant, 8th & 12th houses.
Jupiter rejoyceth in the 2nd, 9th and 11th houses.
Mars rejoyceth in the 3rd, 6th & 10th.
Venus rejoyceth in the 5th & 12th houses.
Mercury rejoyceth in the Ascendant & 6th.
I dub the case of the confusing planetary-specific benefical house placements closed.
Tikana said:
BUT my question remains
DOES SATURN GET EXTRA BOOST BY BEING IN 10th house IF IT IS A SIGNIFICATOR OF THE QUESTION? YES or NO.
This was actually not your question. If you're asking whether Saturn gains dignity for being in the Tenth house, the answer is an undeniable yes. Actually, I've answered this question three times now. This being the third.
Here was the first time:
Kaiousei no Senshi said:
No, Saturn does not rule the Tenth house and gets no sort of special dignity other than the accidental dignity all planets receive when in an angular house.
And the second time
Kaiousei no Senshi said:
The only sort of dignity Saturn has the Tenth is the accidental dignity given to any planet in any of the four angular houses of heaven, as I said earlier.
Now, to answer your original question.
Tikana said:
saturn in 10th is in house of joy right?
so why does Lilly and Zakiel say that
saturn or south node in 10th house ususually deny honour as to person of quality and to vulgar little prosperity in a profession or
We've already covered Saturn holds no sort of specific, Saturn-only dignity in the Tenth house. However, Saturn is the greater malefic, and so is found to be naturally unhelpful in this and any house unless somehow appeased through essential or accidental dignities.
Tikana said:
How can SATURN be in the joy of 1st house?
When you get saturn in 1st house when it is NOT a significator, it is almost guarantee that the question will not work out as querent expects!
Well, obviously someone hasn't looked at my article. *wagging finger*
Just kidding. However, you would have read that Saturn enjoys being in this house because he signifies the form and body (as Saturn signifies the bones and skin) which is also what the Ascendant signifies, the physical form of the native/querent. Saturn in the First can signify delays, as he can from anywhere, but the fact remains that he co-signifies and thus is capable of rejoicing in this house.
Alan Leo, who is semi-traditional astrologer says this
You're joking, right?
10th house
it is goveren by the sign of the cusp, its lord and in secondary sense the Sun and the Saturn
on 12th house he puts Venus and Jupiter
in 8th house he puts saturn and mars
in 7th house he puts moon and venus
What he's saying is that you would first look at the Sign on the Tenth (let's say it's Pisces), so you'd look at that Lord - in this example - Jupiter. Obviously, this is the "accidental" lord of the house. Pisces is on the cusp, and so Jupiter "accidentally" signifies this house. However, the "essential" significator of the Tenth house is Mars as co-significator (Leo's assertion of Sol and Saturn are both incorrect, as neither planet has a natural connection with this house). So, you'd look at Jupiter first to get a good idea of what's going on, but then if you wanted more information you could look to Mars who naturally signifies this house. You could do this with any house using its natural co-significator as a secondary significator to the planet who rules the Sign on the cusp of the house like in the example I gave. That, specifically, is the secondary sense Leo is referring to.