wintersprite1
Premium Member
I am posting a chart with a known outcome as an exercise I would hope to see many (and of different techniques) work with. The Chart has a known outcome. I had worked on it for about 2 hours and predicted the outcome, including location (place, height, hidden/open space, type of "room") the time, and the colors surrounding.... After some have shown us how their techniques are used, I will explain the prediction and then the outcome. I am asking that those with a strong horary background wait a few days to let those others that would like to share their techniques with the forum to have a chance. I am going to point out a few things here and there to start the ball rolling. Many people are not aware of many of the factors used as considerations and going through the process a step at a time may give a better understanding of the background of traditional (and modern....Jacobson speaks of using neptune as a ruler) authors that are sited.
The first thing that is of the utmost importance in horary is the question. If the question is formed in such a way that it isn't direct, that may give conflicting answers. The question is asked when the querent (person asking the question) can not wait another moment to know.... and at that point takes the responsibility (via Lily) to own the question and the answer regardless what it may be. Sometimes there is confusion when questions are asked in a negative or double negative fashion. If you get a positive answer, that would mean no then, and very confusing. So framing a question is of utmost importance. Questions that are subjective are the hardest to answer as a black and white yes or no may not be possible if the answer is a shade of grey (this often is our romance horarys where we can not get an actual concrete measure on emotions or feelings) If the querent is asking a frivolous question, or has tampered with the results, or in some cases of yesteryear the Astrologer is being tested... the chart will show that in where the Ascendant is or in where planets land. Defining who asked the question is the problem that I have been seeing often. A question is asked about may be a daughter..... we need to know if the daughter asked the question or if the parent did, not just who asks us, where did the question originate. The time is absolutely paramount. A few moments off and the whole dynamic of the chart has changed. If you do not remember the time, don't bother, the chart won't work. Rewording questions already asked of a horarist will only produce ill working charts. The original chart that was done probably will contain the answer you are looking for.
Okay, so this question....
First we need a bit of the background. It is important, it allows knowledge of which houses are to be used. It seems a bit of cheating, but it isn't. (an example, the 12th house means many things. I had a friend ask where his friend was once, and got the 12th. I knew the man worked with spiritualist and said he is like at a seance... if I didn't know that, the 12th in horary is known for darker things) so knowing the history gives us a better chance to interpret correctly.
In this horary.... the question was "Where is Brandon's backpack?" asked on April 12, 2010 at 8:23 PM in Colorado Springs, Colorado. The background... the question was asked by my Sister. Brandon is an ex employee of my sister and a friend and sometimes a bit more (he is 23 and my 44 year old sister is a cougar roar) Brandon has been living homeless for a week in a ditch. His last place (ex) kicked him out for drinking. Brandon know lives on my couch while he goes to AA meetings and works. His back pack contains his court papers requiring signatures from the AA officials. It is imperative he finds the backpack and they had spent the day scouring the ditch and field and in desperation, my sister asked the question. She looked at the clock immediately so she could record the time. I was asked the question the following day.
The first thing is to get the correct chart. Regiomontanus is the chart style best used with horary. We have had recent horarys that were cast in placideus and when changed over were able to be read and lost items found exactly where predicted. (yay Fensi) Now the next thing is to decide if the chart is readable. I, myself tend to agree with Frawley and Ivy Goldstien Jacobson that both feel every chart is readable. Others use the strictures and considerations. Honestly, if your particular horarist thinks it is not readable, don't push them, it is not for them, they are following rules and guidelines that not everyone does. Now, I am confident that my sister asked the question, not Brandon and not I. So I will give her the first house as her significator... and the lord of the house is Mars. Now if I asked the question, I would be the first house and would assign her the 3rd house, as that is the one for siblings.... and if Brandon had asked, he would get the first house..... I am leaving this at this point. I would love for those who use considerations or strictures to go over the chart and see if it is radical (readable) and post that information.
See you in a few days!
The first thing that is of the utmost importance in horary is the question. If the question is formed in such a way that it isn't direct, that may give conflicting answers. The question is asked when the querent (person asking the question) can not wait another moment to know.... and at that point takes the responsibility (via Lily) to own the question and the answer regardless what it may be. Sometimes there is confusion when questions are asked in a negative or double negative fashion. If you get a positive answer, that would mean no then, and very confusing. So framing a question is of utmost importance. Questions that are subjective are the hardest to answer as a black and white yes or no may not be possible if the answer is a shade of grey (this often is our romance horarys where we can not get an actual concrete measure on emotions or feelings) If the querent is asking a frivolous question, or has tampered with the results, or in some cases of yesteryear the Astrologer is being tested... the chart will show that in where the Ascendant is or in where planets land. Defining who asked the question is the problem that I have been seeing often. A question is asked about may be a daughter..... we need to know if the daughter asked the question or if the parent did, not just who asks us, where did the question originate. The time is absolutely paramount. A few moments off and the whole dynamic of the chart has changed. If you do not remember the time, don't bother, the chart won't work. Rewording questions already asked of a horarist will only produce ill working charts. The original chart that was done probably will contain the answer you are looking for.
Okay, so this question....
First we need a bit of the background. It is important, it allows knowledge of which houses are to be used. It seems a bit of cheating, but it isn't. (an example, the 12th house means many things. I had a friend ask where his friend was once, and got the 12th. I knew the man worked with spiritualist and said he is like at a seance... if I didn't know that, the 12th in horary is known for darker things) so knowing the history gives us a better chance to interpret correctly.
In this horary.... the question was "Where is Brandon's backpack?" asked on April 12, 2010 at 8:23 PM in Colorado Springs, Colorado. The background... the question was asked by my Sister. Brandon is an ex employee of my sister and a friend and sometimes a bit more (he is 23 and my 44 year old sister is a cougar roar) Brandon has been living homeless for a week in a ditch. His last place (ex) kicked him out for drinking. Brandon know lives on my couch while he goes to AA meetings and works. His back pack contains his court papers requiring signatures from the AA officials. It is imperative he finds the backpack and they had spent the day scouring the ditch and field and in desperation, my sister asked the question. She looked at the clock immediately so she could record the time. I was asked the question the following day.
The first thing is to get the correct chart. Regiomontanus is the chart style best used with horary. We have had recent horarys that were cast in placideus and when changed over were able to be read and lost items found exactly where predicted. (yay Fensi) Now the next thing is to decide if the chart is readable. I, myself tend to agree with Frawley and Ivy Goldstien Jacobson that both feel every chart is readable. Others use the strictures and considerations. Honestly, if your particular horarist thinks it is not readable, don't push them, it is not for them, they are following rules and guidelines that not everyone does. Now, I am confident that my sister asked the question, not Brandon and not I. So I will give her the first house as her significator... and the lord of the house is Mars. Now if I asked the question, I would be the first house and would assign her the 3rd house, as that is the one for siblings.... and if Brandon had asked, he would get the first house..... I am leaving this at this point. I would love for those who use considerations or strictures to go over the chart and see if it is radical (readable) and post that information.
See you in a few days!