david starling
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So, you have no opinions about Electoral College?
Should the Electoral College Be Eliminated?
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So, you have no opinions about Electoral College?
Dirius
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I do. I believe it sounds like a reasonable system for a federal republic.
david starling
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I'm saying, keep the Electoral College system as it is.
However, there is an argument to be made that the ONLY elected office that truly represents "We, the People", meaning ALL the voters in the Nation as a whole, is the Presidency. Which is why the Presidency should be decided by ALL the voters, regardless of what States they live in, by National Popular-vote.
The States have the Legislature to represent them: The Senate represents them equally, with 2 Senators per State regardless of population. And, although the House gives more representation to the more populated States, the greater number of less populated States, when added together, assures that the more populated States don't necessarily control the House.
Also, using the National Popular-vote to elect the President, would ensure that no voter is effectively disenfranchised from electing a President just because of living in a State that gives all of its Electoral votes to the candidate who's not that voter's choice.
And, using the National Popular-vote to elect the President would ensure that the candidates give equal attention to ALL the voters in ALL the States, instead of "writing off" the voters in States where it's already certain that the Electoral vote is already known.
However, there is an argument to be made that the ONLY elected office that truly represents "We, the People", meaning ALL the voters in the Nation as a whole, is the Presidency. Which is why the Presidency should be decided by ALL the voters, regardless of what States they live in, by National Popular-vote.
The States have the Legislature to represent them: The Senate represents them equally, with 2 Senators per State regardless of population. And, although the House gives more representation to the more populated States, the greater number of less populated States, when added together, assures that the more populated States don't necessarily control the House.
Also, using the National Popular-vote to elect the President, would ensure that no voter is effectively disenfranchised from electing a President just because of living in a State that gives all of its Electoral votes to the candidate who's not that voter's choice.
And, using the National Popular-vote to elect the President would ensure that the candidates give equal attention to ALL the voters in ALL the States, instead of "writing off" the voters in States where it's already certain that the Electoral vote is already known.
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The thread completely off-track now with all the fighting about Covid-19. wtf, how did that happen?
The virus came from Wuhan. Ccommunist China did not react quickly or tell the rest of the world that a very contagious, respiratory virus had erupted. They allowed international travel & the spreading of the disease began. By Jan, 2020, the world was finally aware of what was coming with the China virus but nobody predicted how contagious it is & it spread like wildfire.
Italy, which has a very larger older population had thousands of elderly deaths for they weren't prepared or even knew what was happening until it was too late. World Health Organization did not warn the world and chose to support China and their lies.
Europe has been hit very hard, U.K. has the highest death rate there. Much higher that the U.S. per million. France, Italy, Belgium higher too. Many of these nations dead were elderly and sick and probably would have died but nobody talking about the natural death rate throughout the world. No country was prepared for this plague but each country have adapted with the resources and the health system that they have. U.S. has done the most testing and so they have a high number of recorded infections. Other countries have higher rates of infection but no testing. Everyone might get it at some point, herd immunity will kick in and we will carry on like we do after a bad flu season.
Dr. Fauci is not a god and doesn't have all the answers but he's on the Left and gets the support of the Media and the Democrats. They have classified him as the 'good guy' and Trump as the 'bad guy'.
Fauci is a part of the Task Force but they have held him up to be in charge of the pandemic but he's not. He's a paid medical consultant who is very often clueless like the rest of us about the course that the pandemic is taking. He & nobody else recommended wearing masks. Not until recently.
In the March 2020 60 Minutes clip, Fauci said: “Right now in the United States people should not be walking around with masks … You should think of healthcare providers who are needing them and the people who are ill.”
He was wrong of course and in April, 2020 the CDC gave the following press release.
April 2020, the CDC recommended that everyone wear cloth masks in public to help slow the spread of COVID-19. That recommendation changed because of studies that found even people without coronavirus symptoms, but who may still have the disease, could transmit the virus through close interactions with others, especially through speaking, coughing, and sneezing:
For many living in urban cities and fixed incomes with no jobs, buying a mask is impossible. How effective are scarfs and bandanas?
Bottom line, no medical personnel should be exalted as having all the answers and no data can be fully understood in this early stage. However, the statisticians have consensus that the death rate is extremely low but higher in aged homes, high density, urban areas and with certain minorities. & people with underlying illnesses.
The virus came from Wuhan. Ccommunist China did not react quickly or tell the rest of the world that a very contagious, respiratory virus had erupted. They allowed international travel & the spreading of the disease began. By Jan, 2020, the world was finally aware of what was coming with the China virus but nobody predicted how contagious it is & it spread like wildfire.
Italy, which has a very larger older population had thousands of elderly deaths for they weren't prepared or even knew what was happening until it was too late. World Health Organization did not warn the world and chose to support China and their lies.
Europe has been hit very hard, U.K. has the highest death rate there. Much higher that the U.S. per million. France, Italy, Belgium higher too. Many of these nations dead were elderly and sick and probably would have died but nobody talking about the natural death rate throughout the world. No country was prepared for this plague but each country have adapted with the resources and the health system that they have. U.S. has done the most testing and so they have a high number of recorded infections. Other countries have higher rates of infection but no testing. Everyone might get it at some point, herd immunity will kick in and we will carry on like we do after a bad flu season.
Dr. Fauci is not a god and doesn't have all the answers but he's on the Left and gets the support of the Media and the Democrats. They have classified him as the 'good guy' and Trump as the 'bad guy'.
Fauci is a part of the Task Force but they have held him up to be in charge of the pandemic but he's not. He's a paid medical consultant who is very often clueless like the rest of us about the course that the pandemic is taking. He & nobody else recommended wearing masks. Not until recently.
In the March 2020 60 Minutes clip, Fauci said: “Right now in the United States people should not be walking around with masks … You should think of healthcare providers who are needing them and the people who are ill.”
He was wrong of course and in April, 2020 the CDC gave the following press release.
April 2020, the CDC recommended that everyone wear cloth masks in public to help slow the spread of COVID-19. That recommendation changed because of studies that found even people without coronavirus symptoms, but who may still have the disease, could transmit the virus through close interactions with others, especially through speaking, coughing, and sneezing:
For many living in urban cities and fixed incomes with no jobs, buying a mask is impossible. How effective are scarfs and bandanas?
Bottom line, no medical personnel should be exalted as having all the answers and no data can be fully understood in this early stage. However, the statisticians have consensus that the death rate is extremely low but higher in aged homes, high density, urban areas and with certain minorities. & people with underlying illnesses.
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david starling
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Blackbery, what about my post concerning arguments in favor of the Popular-vote for electing Presidents? Any rebuttals?
david starling
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The thread completely off-track now with all the fighting about Covid-19. wtf, how did that happen?
The virus came from Wuhan. Ccommunist China did not react quickly or tell the rest of the world that a very contagious, respiratory virus had erupted. They allowed international travel & the spreading of the disease began. By Jan, 2020, the world was finally aware of what was coming with the China virus but nobody predicted how contagious it is & it spread like wildfire.
Italy, which has a very larger older population had thousands of elderly deaths for they weren't prepared or even knew what was happening until it was too late. World Health Organization did not warn the world and chose to support China and their lies.
Europe has been hit very hard, U.K. has the highest death rate there. Much higher that the U.S. per million. France, Italy, Belgium higher too. Many of these nations dead were elderly and sick and probably would have died but nobody talking about the natural death rate throughout the world. No country was prepared for this plague but each country have adapted with the resources and the health system that they have. U.S. has done the most testing and so they have a high number of recorded infections. Other countries have higher rates of infection but no testing. Everyone might get it at some point, herd immunity will kick in and we will carry on like we do after a bad flu season.
Dr. Fauci is not a god and doesn't have all the answers but he's on the Left and gets the support of the Media and the Democrats. They have classified him as the 'good guy' and Trump as the 'bad guy'.
Fauci is a part of the Task Force but they have held him up to be in charge of the pandemic but he's not. He's a paid medical consultant who is very often clueless like the rest of us about the course that the pandemic is taking. He & nobody else recommended wearing masks. Not until recently.
In the March 2020 60 Minutes clip, Fauci said: “Right now in the United States people should not be walking around with masks … You should think of healthcare providers who are needing them and the people who are ill.”
He was wrong of course and in April, 2020 the CDC gave the following press release.
April 2020, the CDC recommended that everyone wear cloth masks in public to help slow the spread of COVID-19. That recommendation changed because of studies that found even people without coronavirus symptoms, but who may still have the disease, could transmit the virus through close interactions with others, especially through speaking, coughing, and sneezing:
For many living in urban cities and fixed incomes with no jobs, buying a mask is impossible. How effective are scarfs and bandanas?
Bottom line, no medical personnel should be exalted as having all the answers and no data can be fully understood in this early stage. However, the statisticians have consensus that the death rate is extremely low but higher in aged homes, high density, urban areas and with certain minorities.
Dr. Fauci was first hired by Ronald Reagan, and is now working for Donald Trump. How is he a Left-winger?
You believe Fauci is a Republican who wants to see Trump re-elected.
This is the medical man who has made numerous wrong statements about the virus but won't admit it. He and the Left turn to attack Trump instead who is not a medical person. The citizens should not be looking to the President for health issues, that's what the Task Force was created for. Yet, Fauci has used Trump's own non-medical tweets to politicize the virus issue.
Fauci should never have politicized the medical Covid-19 crisis and I would have fired him a long time ago if I were the President. Replaced him with a non-partisan female or male doctor who stuck to helping the citizens of the U.S.
navigate through the most chaotic time of the country since the Civil War.
Fauci was the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), a post he took in 1984 and holds to this day.
Fauci always pushing the vaccine cure and you have to wonder why. He and the Liberal Media have wiped out any discussion of treatment other than a vaccine. Is he in collaboration with the Gates Foundation which has strong ties with NIAID and will benefit financially from a vaccine?
If not, he certainly is in direct opposition to the Trump WH based on partisan-politics and that does not help the average U.S. citizen who doesn't know if the schools are going to be open, when the economies will open and many other important concerns.
Fauci has created controversy and chaos instead of calmness and concern.
Fau
This is the medical man who has made numerous wrong statements about the virus but won't admit it. He and the Left turn to attack Trump instead who is not a medical person. The citizens should not be looking to the President for health issues, that's what the Task Force was created for. Yet, Fauci has used Trump's own non-medical tweets to politicize the virus issue.
Fauci should never have politicized the medical Covid-19 crisis and I would have fired him a long time ago if I were the President. Replaced him with a non-partisan female or male doctor who stuck to helping the citizens of the U.S.
navigate through the most chaotic time of the country since the Civil War.
Fauci was the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), a post he took in 1984 and holds to this day.
Fauci always pushing the vaccine cure and you have to wonder why. He and the Liberal Media have wiped out any discussion of treatment other than a vaccine. Is he in collaboration with the Gates Foundation which has strong ties with NIAID and will benefit financially from a vaccine?
If not, he certainly is in direct opposition to the Trump WH based on partisan-politics and that does not help the average U.S. citizen who doesn't know if the schools are going to be open, when the economies will open and many other important concerns.
Fauci has created controversy and chaos instead of calmness and concern.
Fau
david starling
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You believe Fauci is a Republican who wants to see Trump re-elected.
This is the medical man who has made numerous wrong statements about the virus but won't admit it. He and the Left turn to attack Trump instead who is not a medical person. The citizens should not be looking to the President for health issues, that's what the Task Force was created for. Yet, Fauci has used Trump's own non-medical tweets to politicize the virus issue.
Fauci should never have politicized the medical Covid-19 crisis and I would have fired him a long time ago if I were the President. Replaced him with a non-partisan female or male doctor who stuck to helping the citizens of the U.S.
navigate through the most chaotic time of the country since the Civil War.
Fauci was the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), a post he took in 1984 and holds to this day.
Fauci always pushing the vaccine cure and you have to wonder why. He and the Liberal Media have wiped out any discussion of treatment other than a vaccine. Is he in collaboration with the Gates Foundation which has strong ties with NIAID and will benefit financially from a vaccine?
If not, he certainly is in direct opposition to the Trump WH based on partisan-politics and that does not help the average U.S. citizen who doesn't know if the schools are going to be open, when the economies will open and many other important concerns.
Fauci has created controversy and chaos instead of calmness and concern.
Fau
Why hasn't Trump fired him?
He would have except the Liberal Media would use the Covid-19 crisis to once again turn Fauci into the 'good' vs 'evil' Trump.
iAirborne: How The Liberal Media Weaponized The Coronavirus Against Donald Trump
Trump says he likes Dr. Fauci personally but doesn't agree with his statements that schools and the economy should be locked down until a vaccine is discovered.
Trump could have fired him after his wrong statements about masks and then lying about it. Once he's re-elected, Fauci will be gone, replaced with a non-political doctor.
Fauci let America down, hindering the public health response and giving the U.S. both the highest coronavirus case count in the world. Simply put, Fauci lied about whether masks were helpful in slowing the spread of the virus.
btw. Dr. Fauci had to be pushed and prodded by the ACT UP organization to actually acknowledge HIV/AIDS because he was dragging his feet to do anything other than follow Reagan's guidelines. He's not a god you know.
‘We Loved Each Other’: Fauci Recalls Larry Kramer, Friend and Nemesis
In public, the activist berated the infectious disease expert for federal inaction on AIDS. But their affection lasted decades and changed the course of the epidemic.
iAirborne: How The Liberal Media Weaponized The Coronavirus Against Donald Trump
Trump says he likes Dr. Fauci personally but doesn't agree with his statements that schools and the economy should be locked down until a vaccine is discovered.
Trump could have fired him after his wrong statements about masks and then lying about it. Once he's re-elected, Fauci will be gone, replaced with a non-political doctor.
Fauci let America down, hindering the public health response and giving the U.S. both the highest coronavirus case count in the world. Simply put, Fauci lied about whether masks were helpful in slowing the spread of the virus.
btw. Dr. Fauci had to be pushed and prodded by the ACT UP organization to actually acknowledge HIV/AIDS because he was dragging his feet to do anything other than follow Reagan's guidelines. He's not a god you know.
‘We Loved Each Other’: Fauci Recalls Larry Kramer, Friend and Nemesis
In public, the activist berated the infectious disease expert for federal inaction on AIDS. But their affection lasted decades and changed the course of the epidemic.
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This link came from another thread and if you watch it, you can see for yourself how Dr.Fauci supports the Left Democrats. He won't admit that protesters should be banned from gathering in large crowds but has said that nobody can go to places of faith, work or school because they will spread the disease.
He is clearly biased against Trump and should be removed.
https://youtu.be/66Jhq-zGV88
He is clearly biased against Trump and should be removed.
https://youtu.be/66Jhq-zGV88
waybread
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If you're LOL-ing me, I'd say you're merely showcasing your inability to come to terms with logic and evidence.
Dirius, you still don't get it. My "giant wall of text" (say what?? Was it too difficult for you?) was an earnest attempt to explain things to you so that you could understand what is going on. Either it was too complex for you, or you just didn't want to get it. Or even read it, apparently
This may come as a surprise to you, but people first have to become infected with coronavirus before they can die of it.
Then we're not dealing with a given date as a static moment in time so much as with an ongoing pandemic that claims new patients and fatalities on an ongoing basis. It's like the nation is on a moving escalator, not on a stationary platform. You have to look at trajectories.
It's like: sure, Dirius. More deaths as of today in NYC. Gotcha. But we're not done with this yet.
So let's do the arithmetic. The greater NYC area, a populous and densely populated urban region, was one of the first to get hit with CV-19 last spring, before medical science had learned enough about how it spread. They didn't realize how far it traveled through airborne particles because the research hadn't been done yet. They didn't have the demographic data that we have now, about which cases were most likely to be fatal. You had a governor understandably desperate to free up ICU beds for the flood of incoming patients, which the hospitals couldn't handle. The hospitals did not have sufficient PPE, respirators, and so on, to deal with it. NYC further has many people in a high-risk category. Which also took the medical experts a while to figure out.
Then the increase in cases has been, if not exponential, at least nowhere near logistical.
Diseases can take time to spread. This is basic epidemiology. And let's look at how rapidly cases and deaths are spreading in Florida. Further, a state hit more recently has all kinds of infrastructure set up now that they wouldn't have had, were the ground zero, any more than NYC did last spring. They're the beneficiaries of NYC's experience in a tragic sort of way.
But bottom line, Dirius, is that rural areas regardless of whether their predominant politics are red, blue, or purple tend to have slower and lower rates of infections-- and deaths.
waybread
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Here, Dirius: read this.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coron...irus-deaths-for-fourth-straight-day-1.5047424
Florida's CV-19 death rate is escalating rapidly.
Look at its trajectory.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coron...irus-deaths-for-fourth-straight-day-1.5047424
Florida's CV-19 death rate is escalating rapidly.
Look at its trajectory.
david starling
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So what if Trump loses the Election? Things will eventually get back to normal, with nothing especially terrible happening. I'm not seeing why we need Trump for that.
Jupiter in Aquarius will be a change for the better.
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david starling
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Trump's AFRAID to fire him??? He's the "You're fired!" guy. Just look at all of those he's already fired from his administration.
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david starling
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At least half of the enthusiasm of the protesters and agitators is about the Trump presidency. The protests will subside with him gone from office.
david starling
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Funny. Sounds like that "opened the door" term in Court.
I don't understand why you are so gleeful that florida death rate has increased in the past few days. Do you want them to catch up to NJ and NY which have the highest death rates in the country? Here's a graph of the death rates and Florida listed at above 15.
What is the celebrating of deaths due to Covid-19 about?
Do you really want more people to die so you can try to beat Trump in Nov?
He's going to win regardless and I'm troubled by the Left Democrats salivating at the thought of more deaths. I don't even recognize the DNC anymore, they are the death cult now.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/
What is the celebrating of deaths due to Covid-19 about?
Do you really want more people to die so you can try to beat Trump in Nov?
He's going to win regardless and I'm troubled by the Left Democrats salivating at the thought of more deaths. I don't even recognize the DNC anymore, they are the death cult now.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/
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I'm happy you finally admit that BLM,Antifa and the thugs and domestic terrorists are part of the Democrat Party.
david starling
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I don't understand why you are so gleeful that florida death rate has increased in the past few days. Do you want them to catch up to NJ and NY which have the highest death rates in the country? Here's a graph of the death rates and Florida listed at above 15.
What is the celebrating of deaths due to Covid-19 about?
Do you really want more people to die so you can try to beat Trump in Nov?
He's going to win regardless and I'm troubled by the Left Democrats salivating at the thought of more deaths. I don't even recognize the DNC anymore, they are the death cult now.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/
I wasn't gleeful. Just pointing out to Dirius that Covid-19 isn't political, as he seemed to be asserting.
I just want the d*mn virus to go away!
Don't be so sure Trump won't lose. If he does, you're setting yourself up for a lot of disappointment.
david starling
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Seems like the Republicans started it, blaming Blue State governors for not controlling the pandemic.