Hi all,
Mav asked me if I had any ideas for putting our charts into various categories, and I had actually been thinking about organising our charts according to the 'Lord of the Geniture', that is to say, the planet which is given the greatest strength according to essential and accidental dignity by sign and house placement.
For anyone who does not know, the Lord of the Geniture was in tradition, considered to be the chart ruler, as we usually lead with our strengths, and the LoG being the strongest planet, it makes sense to see this as the planet with the greatest influence. These days, the ruler of the Ascendant is often considered to be the chart ruler, however, if this planet is detriment and in the 8th, it can hardly be considered to be the leading, most potent planet, even if it does rule the Ascendant.
I decided to go through each chart which has been submitted to the list, and determined the LoG in each of them. Some are extremely easy to spot, some are more challenging.
By the way, Pixy, remember when I said that I thought you were the only one with a Mars lord? I was dead wrong! There are more in the list with a Mars lord than any other!
For anyone who might not be familiar with this, here's how to go about this.
Let's take Ace's chart as an example:
In Ace's chart there are no planets in the 1st but Mars is in Virgo in the 10th, Mars is peregrine here, but it get's 5 points for it's tenth house placement, but let's see if we can find anything stronger. The 4th is empty and so is the 7th and 11th, the 2nd and the 5th, the 9th contains the Sun in Leo, which gains 5 points for domicile and 2 points for being in the 9th, so with a score of 7 outweighs our Mars in Virgo in the 10th, which only got 5. The 3rd, 6th, 8th and 12th houses are so weak, that even if they contained a domicile planet, they could not now outweight the Sun's 7 points. So the Sun in Leo is the Lord of the Genture in Ace's chart.
Just an example for anyone who doesn't know.
By the way, the ordering of the houses by strength for the purposes of seeking the LoG, is thus:
1st, 7th = 5
4th, 10th, 11th = 4
2nd, 5th = 3
9th = 2
3rd = 1
6th, 8th, 12th = 0
Of course, the planets in signs are given 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 or 0 points according to domicile, exaltation, triplicity, term and face.
Here are the Lords of the geniture in our charts as far as I have gathered. If any of you feel that I have made a mistake in your chart, or if you require an explanation for my choice then let me know.
5th House Moon - Mercury / Capricorn / 7th.
Ace - Sun / Leo / 9th.
Amzolt - Venus / Taurus / 10th.
Arien Maverick - Saturn / Capricorn / 10th.
Astro88 - Mars / Aries / 11th.
Blumen - Mercury / Virgo / 8th.
C1 - Venus / Taurus / 5th.
CalicoDreams - Saturn / Capricorn / 1st.
C Jayne - Venus / Pisces / 4th.
Draco - Saturn / Libra / 7th.
Empath - Moon / Taurus / 3rd.
EvilPixyScorpio - Mars / Capricorn / 1st.
Fire Sign Logic - Mars / Scorpio / 9th.
Franklin Taytlor - Sun / Leo / 7th.
Gem-Sag - Mercury / Gemini / 7th.
Ihatelawschool - Mars / Scorpio / 4th.
Jag - Jupiter / Pisces / 4th.
Jenluvsblackcat - Mars / Scorpio / 4th.
Johan - Moon / Cancer / 10th.
Kite - Mars / Aries / 2nd.
Lapis - Sun / Sagittarius / 10th.
Laura Elizabeth - Venus / Pisces / 9th.
Lou 67 - Moon / Taurus / 11th.
Lunar Pisces - Mercury / Gemini / 10th.
Midnight Devil - Jupiter / Sagittarius / 8th.
Pixie 1982 - Mars / Scorpio / 10th.
Playingwithfire - Saturn / Aquarius / 1st.
Radu - Venus / Libra / 10th. (11th?)
Sam - Mars / Scorpio / 5th.
Shimmy 26 - Saturn / Capricorn / 11th.
Sweepstrings - Sun / Aries / 11th.
Threelegcat - Jupiter / Cancer / 4th.
Wilsontc - Mars / Cancer / 11th.
Phew! All done. If you feel that I have made a mistake, or you don't understand why I have chosen the planet I have then post to me.
There were some charts in which it was difficult to decide upon the Lord of the Geniture. Empath's, Threeleg's and Radu's for example.
In Empath's chart, Venus is in domicile in Libra, and the Moon exalted in Taurus, but they are in weak houses, in the 8th and the 3rd respectively. Venus gets 5 for domicile, but 0 for house. The Moon gets 4 for exaltation, but only 1 for house, so added together, both Venus and the Moon get 5 each, making them equal. So I consider the Moon to be the LoG, because it has potential and at least a little power to act upon it, Venus has great potential, but no power.
In Threeleg's chart, I found Jupiter in Cancer in the 4th, and Venus in Pisces in the 9th, so both get 9 points, but I gave the LoG to Jupiter, because it is conjunct the IC angle.
In Radu's, I found Venus in Libra, but I am not sure whether to consider it as the 11th or the 10th house, in any case, it would be the LoG. If you feel that a planet should be considered in the next house if it is within 5 degree of the cusp, it is in the 11th, if you use 3 degree's, it is still in the 10th.
Out of all the charts, nine people have Mars as their Lord.
Only one person has the Lord in Virgo, and that is Blumen, and only one has it in Aquarius, and that is PlayingWithFire.
So there you go Mav, you can compile them on the boards now if you want.
The thing I thought was, not only could you categorise these charts according to who has what planets as LoG, but also categorise according to who has it in what sign and in what house.
Draco
Mav asked me if I had any ideas for putting our charts into various categories, and I had actually been thinking about organising our charts according to the 'Lord of the Geniture', that is to say, the planet which is given the greatest strength according to essential and accidental dignity by sign and house placement.
For anyone who does not know, the Lord of the Geniture was in tradition, considered to be the chart ruler, as we usually lead with our strengths, and the LoG being the strongest planet, it makes sense to see this as the planet with the greatest influence. These days, the ruler of the Ascendant is often considered to be the chart ruler, however, if this planet is detriment and in the 8th, it can hardly be considered to be the leading, most potent planet, even if it does rule the Ascendant.
I decided to go through each chart which has been submitted to the list, and determined the LoG in each of them. Some are extremely easy to spot, some are more challenging.
By the way, Pixy, remember when I said that I thought you were the only one with a Mars lord? I was dead wrong! There are more in the list with a Mars lord than any other!
For anyone who might not be familiar with this, here's how to go about this.
Let's take Ace's chart as an example:
In Ace's chart there are no planets in the 1st but Mars is in Virgo in the 10th, Mars is peregrine here, but it get's 5 points for it's tenth house placement, but let's see if we can find anything stronger. The 4th is empty and so is the 7th and 11th, the 2nd and the 5th, the 9th contains the Sun in Leo, which gains 5 points for domicile and 2 points for being in the 9th, so with a score of 7 outweighs our Mars in Virgo in the 10th, which only got 5. The 3rd, 6th, 8th and 12th houses are so weak, that even if they contained a domicile planet, they could not now outweight the Sun's 7 points. So the Sun in Leo is the Lord of the Genture in Ace's chart.
Just an example for anyone who doesn't know.
By the way, the ordering of the houses by strength for the purposes of seeking the LoG, is thus:
1st, 7th = 5
4th, 10th, 11th = 4
2nd, 5th = 3
9th = 2
3rd = 1
6th, 8th, 12th = 0
Of course, the planets in signs are given 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 or 0 points according to domicile, exaltation, triplicity, term and face.
Here are the Lords of the geniture in our charts as far as I have gathered. If any of you feel that I have made a mistake in your chart, or if you require an explanation for my choice then let me know.
5th House Moon - Mercury / Capricorn / 7th.
Ace - Sun / Leo / 9th.
Amzolt - Venus / Taurus / 10th.
Arien Maverick - Saturn / Capricorn / 10th.
Astro88 - Mars / Aries / 11th.
Blumen - Mercury / Virgo / 8th.
C1 - Venus / Taurus / 5th.
CalicoDreams - Saturn / Capricorn / 1st.
C Jayne - Venus / Pisces / 4th.
Draco - Saturn / Libra / 7th.
Empath - Moon / Taurus / 3rd.
EvilPixyScorpio - Mars / Capricorn / 1st.
Fire Sign Logic - Mars / Scorpio / 9th.
Franklin Taytlor - Sun / Leo / 7th.
Gem-Sag - Mercury / Gemini / 7th.
Ihatelawschool - Mars / Scorpio / 4th.
Jag - Jupiter / Pisces / 4th.
Jenluvsblackcat - Mars / Scorpio / 4th.
Johan - Moon / Cancer / 10th.
Kite - Mars / Aries / 2nd.
Lapis - Sun / Sagittarius / 10th.
Laura Elizabeth - Venus / Pisces / 9th.
Lou 67 - Moon / Taurus / 11th.
Lunar Pisces - Mercury / Gemini / 10th.
Midnight Devil - Jupiter / Sagittarius / 8th.
Pixie 1982 - Mars / Scorpio / 10th.
Playingwithfire - Saturn / Aquarius / 1st.
Radu - Venus / Libra / 10th. (11th?)
Sam - Mars / Scorpio / 5th.
Shimmy 26 - Saturn / Capricorn / 11th.
Sweepstrings - Sun / Aries / 11th.
Threelegcat - Jupiter / Cancer / 4th.
Wilsontc - Mars / Cancer / 11th.
Phew! All done. If you feel that I have made a mistake, or you don't understand why I have chosen the planet I have then post to me.
There were some charts in which it was difficult to decide upon the Lord of the Geniture. Empath's, Threeleg's and Radu's for example.
In Empath's chart, Venus is in domicile in Libra, and the Moon exalted in Taurus, but they are in weak houses, in the 8th and the 3rd respectively. Venus gets 5 for domicile, but 0 for house. The Moon gets 4 for exaltation, but only 1 for house, so added together, both Venus and the Moon get 5 each, making them equal. So I consider the Moon to be the LoG, because it has potential and at least a little power to act upon it, Venus has great potential, but no power.
In Threeleg's chart, I found Jupiter in Cancer in the 4th, and Venus in Pisces in the 9th, so both get 9 points, but I gave the LoG to Jupiter, because it is conjunct the IC angle.
In Radu's, I found Venus in Libra, but I am not sure whether to consider it as the 11th or the 10th house, in any case, it would be the LoG. If you feel that a planet should be considered in the next house if it is within 5 degree of the cusp, it is in the 11th, if you use 3 degree's, it is still in the 10th.
Out of all the charts, nine people have Mars as their Lord.
Only one person has the Lord in Virgo, and that is Blumen, and only one has it in Aquarius, and that is PlayingWithFire.
So there you go Mav, you can compile them on the boards now if you want.
The thing I thought was, not only could you categorise these charts according to who has what planets as LoG, but also categorise according to who has it in what sign and in what house.
Draco