david starling
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Blackbery, do you really think that Trump can win the national Popular-vote? He doesn't seem to be even trying to expand his base, just preaching to the choir.
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Then we're not dealing with a given date as a static moment in time so much as with an ongoing pandemic that claims new patients and fatalities on an ongoing basis. It's like the nation is on a moving escalator, not on a stationary platform. You have to look at trajectories.
It's like: sure, Dirius. More deaths as of today in NYC. Gotcha. But we're not done with this yet.
So let's do the arithmetic. The greater NYC area, a populous and densely populated urban region, was one of the first to get hit with CV-19 last spring, before medical science had learned enough about how it spread. They didn't realize how far it traveled through airborne particles because the research hadn't been done yet. They didn't have the demographic data that we have now, about which cases were most likely to be fatal. You had a governor understandably desperate to free up ICU beds for the flood of incoming patients, which the hospitals couldn't handle. The hospitals did not have sufficient PPE, respirators, and so on, to deal with it. NYC further has many people in a high-risk category. Which also took the medical experts a while to figure out.
Then the increase in cases has been, if not exponential, at least nowhere near logistical.
Diseases can take time to spread. This is basic epidemiology. And let's look at how rapidly cases and deaths are spreading in Florida. Further, a state hit more recently has all kinds of infrastructure set up now that they wouldn't have had, were the ground zero, any more than NYC did last spring. They're the beneficiaries of NYC's experience in a tragic sort of way.
California and Florida are, by and large, MUCH healthier places to live than New York and New Jersey.
The reason for more deaths is about the immune systems of those who contracted the virus.
The hospitals in New York and New Jersey were completely overwhelmed by the number of patients with weak immune systems.
These deaths are not something Trump-supporters should be gloating about!
Another strawman.
Not talking about infection rate. I'm talking about death rate.
But keep missquoting
Data shows the death rate was much higher in NYC because Cuomo (democrat) was useless in handling the pandemic. As it is now, all the evidence shows the blue states have been performing much worse than red states. Lets also review some of the majestic blunders from NY state:
- Inefficient bureaucratic delays when purchasing medical/protective supplies.
- Not closing schools or business after the pandemic had begun its spread (took them one month to begin their lockdown).
- Sending infected covid19 patients into nursing homes, killing over 6000 people.
"Dr. Frieden said that if the state and city had adopted widespread social-distancing measures a week or two earlier, including closing schools, stores and restaurants, then the estimated death toll from the outbreak might have been reduced by 50 to 80 percent."
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/08/nyregion/new-york-coronavirus-response-delays.html
Most of the Left Media agree with you that Cuomo's response was a big failure.
Andrew Cuomo is no hero. He's to blame for New York's coronavirus catastrophe.
His record was terrible before coronavirus, but his abysmal handling of the crisis should get him thrown out of office.
On March 25, New York governor Andrew Cuomo made one of deadliest mistakes of the coronavirus crisis, signing an executive order forcing nursing homes in his state to accept patients who tested positive for coronavirus. Around 4,800 New Yorkers died from COVID-19 in those nursing homes from March to May — approximately 25 percent of all fatalities in the state.
There is no measurement at our disposal and no level of gaslighting that will change the fact that Cuomo-led New York was an utter failure.:sick:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/07/the-shameless-gaslighting-by-andrew-cuomos-defenders/
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/08/nyregion/new-york-coronavirus-response-delays.html
Da-mn right... thank God that the likes of Cuomo and Dr. Fauci are there to maintain some semblance of sanity and good leadership during these stressful times, and thereby help maintain some balance to the otherwise highly incompetent, "do-nothing" except pass-the-blame WH twit and his useless team.I agree in the main, David. Of course, there are healthy and rural parts of NY and NJ, as well as parts of CA and FL that are not healthy-- or with a lot of retirees who, by virtue of their age, are high-risk.
In contrast, New Yorkers' approval rating of New York governor Andrew Cuomo (D) is climbing.
Da-mn right... thank God that the likes of Cuomo and Dr. Fauci are there to maintain some semblance of sanity and good leadership during these stressful times, and thereby help maintain some balance to the otherwise highly incompetent, "do-nothing" except pass-the-blame WH twit and his useless team.
Governor Newsom is apparently looking good regarding the pandemic.
That is wonderful to hear David. I don't follow the pandemic much at all anymore but if the numbers are dropping in California, I'm really pleased to hear it. Hope the numbers keep dropping all over the country and around the world.
waybread brought it up in page 2 when she mentioned covid19 as a factor in the election in her anti-Trump rant.
And you didn't shut her down then - so its part of the discussion now.
The thread completely off-track now with all the fighting about Covid-19. wtf, how did that happen?
The virus came from Wuhan. Ccommunist China did not react quickly or tell the rest of the world that a very contagious, respiratory virus had erupted. They allowed international travel & the spreading of the disease began. By Jan, 2020, the world was finally aware of what was coming with the China virus but nobody predicted how contagious it is & it spread like wildfire.
Italy, which has a very larger older population had thousands of elderly deaths for they weren't prepared or even knew what was happening until it was too late. World Health Organization did not warn the world and chose to support China and their lies.
Europe has been hit very hard, U.K. has the highest death rate there. Much higher that the U.S. per million. France, Italy, Belgium higher too. Many of these nations dead were elderly and sick and probably would have died but nobody talking about the natural death rate throughout the world. No country was prepared for this plague but each country have adapted with the resources and the health system that they have. U.S. has done the most testing and so they have a high number of recorded infections. Other countries have higher rates of infection but no testing. Everyone might get it at some point, herd immunity will kick in and we will carry on like we do after a bad flu season.
Dr. Fauci is not a god and doesn't have all the answers but he's on the Left and gets the support of the Media and the Democrats. They have classified him as the 'good guy' and Trump as the 'bad guy'.
Fauci is a part of the Task Force but they have held him up to be in charge of the pandemic but he's not. He's a paid medical consultant who is very often clueless like the rest of us about the course that the pandemic is taking. He & nobody else recommended wearing masks. Not until recently.
In the March 2020 60 Minutes clip, Fauci said: “Right now in the United States people should not be walking around with masks … You should think of healthcare providers who are needing them and the people who are ill.”
He was wrong of course and in April, 2020 the CDC gave the following press release.
April 2020, the CDC recommended that everyone wear cloth masks in public to help slow the spread of COVID-19. That recommendation changed because of studies that found even people without coronavirus symptoms, but who may still have the disease, could transmit the virus through close interactions with others, especially through speaking, coughing, and sneezing:
For many living in urban cities and fixed incomes with no jobs, buying a mask is impossible. How effective are scarfs and bandanas?
Bottom line, no medical personnel should be exalted as having all the answers and no data can be fully understood in this early stage. However, the statisticians have consensus that the death rate is extremely low but higher in aged homes, high density, urban areas and with certain minorities. & people with underlying illnesses.
I don't understand why you are so gleeful that florida death rate has increased in the past few days. Do you want them to catch up to NJ and NY which have the highest death rates in the country? Here's a graph of the death rates and Florida listed at above 15.
What is the celebrating of deaths due to Covid-19 about?
Do you really want more people to die so you can try to beat Trump in Nov?
He's going to win regardless and I'm troubled by the Left Democrats salivating at the thought of more deaths. I don't even recognize the DNC anymore, they are the death cult now.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/
Since when would David have the ability to "shut me down"?
Big there, Dirius.
For sure, CV-19 and how elected leaders handled it will be major factors in the upcoming general election.
For anyone interested in the Electoral College, keep your eyes on what happens in the state houses and federal House of Representatives.
I'm happy you finally admit that BLM,Antifa and the thugs and domestic terrorists are part of the Democrat Party.
This link came from another thread and if you watch it, you can see for yourself how Dr.Fauci supports the Left Democrats. He won't admit that protesters should be banned from gathering in large crowds but has said that nobody can go to places of faith, work or school because they will spread the disease.
He is clearly biased against Trump and should be removed.
https://youtu.be/66Jhq-zGV88
For Pete's sake, Blackbery. Dr. Fauci doesn't make the rules. These are made at the state and local levels, normally by governors.
As a MD, he has promised to save lives. I trust you have heard to the Hippocratic Oath.
Fauci doesn't answer to Democrats. It's the other way around, where educated liberals actually believe in the science behind Dr. Fauci's recommendations.
Whatever else might be his strengths and weaknesses, Donald Trump has no expertise in epidemiology. And apparently does not care to acquire any.