Who's Who? An Astrological Exploration.

my guess, to Draco

Draco,

Thanks for all your help! Deal me in!

Chart #1

- Leo (self-expression, also performing arts) modifying Midheaven (outer world)
So there is an interest in being "on stage" in the outer world

- Leo modifying Pluto (transformation, also sex) conjunct (energy is combined with) South node (the past), easiness with sexual performance at an early age

- Scorpio (transformation, also sex) modifying Mars (being, also action, ancient ruler of Scorpio) conjunct (energy is combined with) Ascendant (self)
Sex is something they are personally active in

- Pluto sextile (energy goes easily with) Neptune (spirituality, also illusion, movies) focused in the 12th house (spirituality, also illusion, movies)

- Taurus (physical) modifying Jupiter (expansion) focused in the 7th house (relationships)
- very expansive in their physical relationships

**** star


Chart #2

- Kite to Virgo (daily work) modifying North node (future goals) conjunct Midheaven (outer world) conjunct Jupiter (expansion) conjunct Scorpio (transformation, also death) modifying Neptune (spirituality)
Easy strong spiritual connection to the dead

- Many planets focused in the 8th house (transformation, also death), part of the kite
More dead connections

- Kite links in 12th house (spirituality)
More spirituality

- Kite links in Moon (home, also unconscious)
Psychic connections

Psychic with medium abilities


Chart #3

- Strong T-squares to Taurus (physical) modifying Mars (being, also action) focused in the 9th house (expansion, also sports)
Strong interest in physical sport

- T-square between the nodes to Jupiter (expansion, also sports)
More sports

- Taurus (physical) modifying Midheaven (outer world)
A need to be "physical" in the outer world

- Leo (self-expression, also performing arts) modifying Ascendant (self)
A need to be "onstage" and recognized

- Leo (self-expression, also performing arts) modifying Pluto (transformation, also power) opposite (energy is over-excited by) Sun (self-expression, also performing arts)
A POWERFUL need to be recognized

Sports person


Chart #4

- Pluto (transformation, also control) opposite (energy is over-excited by) Venus (relationships)
A need to be in control in relationships

- Mars (being, also anger) focused in the 7th house (relationships)
Anger in relationships

- Pluto (transformation, also power) focused in the 11th house (friends, also shocking, rebellion) trine (energy goes easily with) Mars focused in the 7th house
His anger has an outlet into powerful, shocking rebellion

- Taurus (physical) modifying unaspected (strong energy) Uranus (friends, also shocking, rebellion) focused in the 9th house (expansion)
Ability to shocking, physical, rebelling things in a big way...which he doesn't "connect in" to

Serial killer


Guessing,

Tim

Mystery Person -1
Mars in the 1st house and this house belongs to death(Scorpio),Jupiter giving full supports,Jupiter is the Lord of 2nd House,this house belongs to physical money.Mars is squire to 4th house,this house related to people,always Mars kill to 4th, if there are bad effects of Saturn,or Rahu or Ketu,Saturn give full supports from 11th house,and for the gains Mars can make killing works,Pluto and Moon from 10th house giving opposition from 10th house,This person always busy in the meeting with lower catogary’s persons,Jupiter from 7th house give supports to Sun,Lord of 10th house,Venus,Lord of 7th,and 12th,houses,Mercury,the lord of 8th house (Business of Death related things) lord of 11th house,(Desires to gains or make profits by the deaths) it means this person is serial Killer.
Mystery Person-2
Saturn in 12th house with Moon,Saturn is the lord of 1st house and 2nd house,has relation with lord of 7th,and 12th house is the house of Paranormal strength and House of soul,Rahu in the 9th house,life of this person depends on the out side souls,like describing the nature and effects of 12th house,and Rahu giving strength for the saying words those have relations with out side world,Neptune and Jupiter both are creater of feelings to others,Jupiter support the knowledge of feelings and also giving good knowledge about the paranormal strength,having faith on life after death.Jupiter providing strength to Saturn and Saturn giving full strength to Rahu,it is the image of a good fortune tellers,and spiritualist medium,
Mystery Person-3
Simple reading for this person,Mars in the 9th house,and in his own house,giving full supports to Pluto in the 12th house,this house is the house of Movie Cemara house is pluto is there,Also Part of fortuna in the 12th,this house also related to Rahu and Jupiter,both are out side brighter,if 9th giving supports to this house.Venus in 7th house,having full oppositions with 1st house and not any interfares from any stars.this chart have full image of a Actor,or Adult movie star.Sun with Moon and Mercury,in 6th house,it means this chart related to female adult movie star.
Mystery Person-4
Moon and Rahu in the 2nd house,gains from arrengement of games from many companeies,Sun,Mercury with part of fortuna in the 4th house,money counting from the house games,4th house,Jupiter with Mars in the 7th house giving full knowledge of running,Pluto with opposition with Venus,wife busy with seeing to this person in TV.This Chart making image of a Athlete.

Hi Draco, haven't seen you for a long time! Nice puzzle you gave us.
I will start with chart no. 4. I think that one is the serial killer. Most personal planets, Sun, Moon, Mercury and Venus are below the horizon, making the person very introvert and private, as well as secretive with the ruler of the 12th, the Sun, situated in the 4th.There is a strong 8th house connection to be found in this chart. Jupiter, ruler of the 4th (and therefore of all the 4th house planets) is in Mutual reception with Mars, ruler of the 8th and Saturn, ruler of the Sun is in the 8th house and trines the ruler of the Ascendant. So there is an indication of very deep fear (Saturn) death and sex related to private selfexpression (Sun in 4th) in this chart. Makes me think that he did not like prostitution or anything else related to sex and therefore maybe killed prostitutes? (Venus in the 5th).
What struck me is that Uranus is unaspected in this chart (Uranus co-ruler of Capricorn and therefore the Sun) in Taurus in the 9th, showing extreme life philosofies and most certainly feels that he is different from anyone else.He has very fixed ideas. Uranus is in mutual reception with Venus in Aquarius in the 5th, so the way he thinks about sex (or romance) is quite "unique" and plays a role in his opinions.It also shows that he does not like to be close to others. Neptune in the 1st often shows someone who finds it hard to give him/herself an identity. Neptune squares Mercury (in 4), ruler of the 10th. With the ruler of the 10th in the 4th, you can imagine someone who works at home or has hîs business there. Mercury, ruler 1, squares the ruler of the 7th house, Neptune showing difficulties in relation to others as well as in relation to society as a whole. He feels outcast. With the ruler of the 7th in the 1st, he also does not really need other people.
Last but not least, his Mars conjunct Jupiter, both trine Pluto and both square the Ascendant and MC rulers shows destructive aggression towards others and society. His Mercury, the way he thinks, is ruled by Jupiter and is influenced by the same aggression. He is very clever as well but the Pisces Mars can make his thinking unrealistic and dangerous. I wonder how far off I am here. This chart could also be the actor with a very private life.

Nearly everybody has guessed the 4th person as the Murderer, and I have guessed this person as having a spiritual chart, Oh well you can all have a good laugh if it turns out to be the serial killer. And I will burn all my astrology books in a tantrum . I am going to have a another look at chart No 4.

It will be an interesting exercise, and we all learn were we might have gone wrong on interpretation. But as Draco said there was a similar theme with Killer/Sex/Sport all coming under the influence of Mars.

OK, next one is chart no.3. That one is I think, the actor, based on the grand trine between ruler Ascendant, Sun, with Neptune in the 2nd (glamour, income through a Neptunian occupancy) and Uranus in the 10th of career and Uranus being the ruler of his Moon conjunct Mercury in 6 (working with emotional expression) and making a living of it (2nd.house Mercury ruled).
Venus on the 1oth house cusp, a Venusian career, glamour, attraction in the 7th house of others (the public). Sun, Moon and Mercury in 6 could mean that he was employed as a moviestar by some important Movie company (Warner Brothers or something like that). Ruler of the 6th in the 10th shows that his work turned out to be his career. He could have been a workoholic with the ruler of the Ascendant in the 6th, as well as his Moon.
Finally, ruler of the 5th of selfexpression, also situated in the 10th house of career.

Chart no. 2 is for me clearly the Spiritual Medium with Ascendant ruler in the 12th and a packed 8th house. Venus, ruler of MC in the 8th, conjunct Uranus, (planet of clairvoyance and unexplained phenomena in my opinion) and Neptune conjunct Jupiter, showing great intuition and emphathy in the career. Then his Moon in Sag. in 12, another sign of sensitivity and intuition in trine to his Sun in the 8th house of "things unseen and mystery" as well as the Sun-Pluto-Mercury conjunction in the 8th which could not be more mind strengthening and deep thinking about occult things.

This leave Chart no.1 as being the Athlete. Strong Scorpio Ascendant with Mars rising, incredibly strong physically, great stamina. Sun , Venus, Uranus and Mercury all in the 9th, the Saggittarius (sport) house as well as long distance traveling. He could have lived abroad, not in his home country.
With Neptune, ruler 5 (of sports) in the 12th, he could have been a "lonely" sportsman or someone who had a secret fear (Saturn in 12) of selfexpression but used sport to overcome this; maybe a swimmer (Sun in Cancer, water sign), Neptune in the Pisces (water)house, or a bodybuilder because of the Venus conjunct his Sun, showing off his physique and Mars, ruler of the 6th of health and how you are occupied with your body, conjunct the Ascendant.Probably had to travel a lot of course with all those planets om the 9th. Moon in the 10th in square to Jupiter shows a very public (popular) personality, bit of a show-off. Pluto conjunct Moon in 10 again shows enormous power in his career. Venus conjunct Sun, attractive, jovial sort of man. Well, that was my contribution. Curious to see the results and thanks Draco for all the work you put into this.

I have looked back at chart No. 4 and to be honest on first impressions this person came off the weakest in personality to me. After looking at the other 3 charts. I understand why everyone is thinking this is the killers chart. I thought this chart was a weak person. Here is what Jeff Green says on Mars in Pisces, the 4th chart has Mars opposite Neptune in the 1st, doubles the Pisces/Mars theme. I am just putting the worst possible scenario down as you all think this is the killer.

These souls can feel victimised by life, and by other's. When this occurs the Mars in Pisces generates an anger based on victimisation. This anger caused by a false sense of being victimised, then manifests as wanting to cause hurt, pain and humiliation to other people who the soul feels victimised by - to go from being persecuted to becoming the persecutor. This cycle of being victimized, then victimising, will continue until the soul finally is able to consciously and accept the nature of it's desires, and the realities that these desires create.

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Reading this you may all be right. Reading back my answer on the 1st chart it sounds more like the sex addict with very strong self worth issues and compulsive desires, but it is easy to link this to a murderer who can't control his compulsive desire to kill. The 2nd chart might well be the psychic as the 10th house Neptune/Scorpio can be psychic career instead of Sexual/film type of career, what I first thought it might have been. But honestly the 4th chart looked like a weaker character to me, but maybe this is why it could be the killer the weak victimised feelings turning angry and killing.

Thanks Draco this thread is fascinating trying to work out the psychological motivations. Please keep doing more of these as I can see where I am going wrong in my interpretation.

I checked fixed stars and #3 has Uranus tightly conjunct and Saturn approaching conjunction to Algol, or the head of the medusa(Joan of Arc had saturn conjunct Algol). I am now more convinced that he is the killer and i think he's still alive.
Chart #2 is the most likely to be dead as pluto just passed over his moon and saturn in the 12th house. I feel this to have been a very famous person as his natal contains true node in conjunct with Spica, an enviable fixed star to have which bestows creativity. Also, his natal mercury sits at 29 degrees of Leo conjunct Regulus which is said to be the most royal of the four royal stars in the sky according to both Eastern and Western astro traditions. I see fame and early death both for this person.
I hope you will tell us who these people as well or maybe someone could figure this out. Anyway i agree that this is a great challenge and way to hone chart reading skills. Thanks.

But Astromony, Joan of Arc was a Saint! Poor thing was burned to death, I think Algol had more to do with her fate here than with her personality. I am also terribly curious to know wether chart 3 is actor or killer. Killer with a 6th house Moon and Sun? This looks more to me a person at the mercy of others instead of the other way around. Usually very helpful as well (Virgo house).
It is great to see all the different outcomes. I only looked at them AFTER I did the charts, I did not want to be influenced by the others.

Fascinating responses.

I think I'll reveal the answers pretty soon, as I wish to go through each persons observations, highlighting where they were significant, and if I wait too long it will end up being a very loooooooong post in order to consider everybody.

So if you fancy a go at this. Quick, quick!

This is my final guess.

Chart 1 and chart 3:
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with the moon in leo close to the midheaven in leo in square mars in the firstH conj.
assendent in scorpio. I see person who needs to be in the spotlight and is very athletically able and pationate. these planets also form a tsquare as well to jupiter in the seventh in taurus. so without geting too far into the chart I have to say athlete, the only thing that sways me away from athlete is the sun in cancer.
.....Im going with pornstar.

In chart 3 I see the moon in aqaurius in 6t H and Im thinking that this person need a job as an artist of sorts yet since it opposes pluto in the 12th I see alot of agression and energy built up.
his sun also opposes pluto and since the sun in in aqarius athough it is a air sign it is also a fixed sign whigh indicates to me that this person is an athlete. Those two tsquares formed between sun moon pluto and mars in taurus indicate a physical person taurus being a earth sign and also a fixed sign, and with aqarius sun and moon (also fixed) I see an able athlete.
In the 10th is saturn and with the squares it has with the and moon and mercury and venus I see an outward display of energy and recieving fame for it.

This is a real rough guess.

to me the main diference between the two in guessing was the venus in opposition in the seventhH to the assendent in leo, in the 3rd chart.
I dont see this as a "here I am!" type of sexuality that a pornstar would have. there are other things as well but Im not seeing it all....Im rushing.
It could also be the complete opposite of what I just said this person could crave attention somehow.
Just a rough guess
Ive been fliping between the two charts off and on.
I cant wait too see the answers!
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In a hurry!!--Tsquare

This is a wonderful way to practise!!!!! I hope I can give it a try in a little while, as soon as I finish my work.

Ok, here I go.

Chart No. 1

Mars so strong on the ascendant and in Scorpio makes me think of lots of physical and psychic energy needing an outlet. Venus' negative attributes taken to their maximum by this conjunction with the Sun give this man a very strong amorous nature, which he may show off since the Moon (dispositor of both) is culminating in Leo. He probably has a narcissistic need to be liked and admired, and could be a cheerful and magnetic person, if his Sun and Venus were not afflicted by Saturn, making him defensive, insecure, fearful of rejection and underestimate his self-worth.
A square between Neptune and the Moon gives him a clouded perception between reality and fantasy. The square Neptune-Uranus adds the element of rebellion against the religious or moral principles he might have been raised with.
Mercury in the nodal degree and in square to Neptune is badly equipped to help this man to think clearly and logically. In the 9th house and afflicted, it gives mental restlessness and confusion. With all that water in this chart, there is a good deal of intuition but also too much emotionalism.
For these reasons and others that are hard to enumerate because of time, I tend to think that this chart belongs to the Serial Killer.

Chart No. 2

This is probably a down-to-earth but very receptive man who likes solitude and is in a close connection with the spiritual realm, as the Moon and Saturn in Sagittarius and 12th house show. The stellium in the 8th house and the nature of the planets there situated, undoubtedly stand for great psychic powers. Uranus conjunct Venus grants him a lively, sparkling personality. He is more than probable, a very popular person and likes people a lot, even if he feels happy in his own company.
The royal star Regulus conjunct Mercury and Sun will raise this man to a very high position in life, it will bring him in connection with famous people, and will favours him with good fortune.
The North Node in Libra and 9th house means that this man is tied to the search for spiritual growth that can help him to learn the balance he refused to learn in his previous incarnation, in which he achieved and lost a lot. This position of the North Node means also that he is part of the group of people who are meant to be a guide for many. Although he is not particularly looking for financial success, he will have plenty of resources without having to fight for that.
Jupiter conjunt Neptune in the 10th house ruled by Venus, shows the possibly spiritual nature of his career, which may be fated as Spica conjunct North Node and sextile the Moon. Jupiter disposes of Moon and Saturn and rules 12th house of spirituality. Moon in 12th house represents an easy connection to the other side.
The easy flow of energy in this chart and the things mentioned above, tell me that this chart belongs to the Spiritual Medium.

Chart No. 3

Sun in Capricorn square Mars in Taurus, and Mars squaring Pluto in Leo endow this man with an extraordinary amount of volatile energy. He seems to keep so much anger inside and he well may direct this negativity towards himself and get sick as a direct consequence of it. Mars in 9th house in Taurus may also indicate illness through religious zealotry.
First decan of Leo ascending denotes a generous, straight and ambitious nature, projecting also an image of arrogance and love of power. He is probable to fall prey to his impulses and short temper, which may get him in trouble.
He may enjoy the spotlight, and with the conjunction Uranus/Saturn in 10th house he might be rebellious against authority and choose a type of work where changes are the normal thing. North Node in Virgo and 2nd house means that he will try to stay away from debts and be frugal in his expenses. This could be hard with detrimented Neptune there to cloud his financial judgement, especially if his impulsive nature doesn't allow him to control his finances. He must be careful of people who mask themselves as helping friends.
Uranus, Saturn and Jupiter in 10th house may show that his work is unusual and may have many changes through his life.
Algol conjunct Saturn and Uranus in the 10th might bring some kind of accident related to the unusual nature or the changes in this man's work.
It seems to me that with all of those Martian and Plutonian energies, this chart might well belong to the Athlete.

Chart No. 4

Virgo ascendant and Venus in Aquarius can give seductive looks to a man, which is useful if he is going to be in front of the camera. His Capricorn Sun square his Libra Moon indicating some inner conflicts between ego and emotions that may cause him some problems in his relationships with women.
This man may be interested in affairs that defy convention and tradition, or being more interested in friendship than in love.
Neptune blurs his perception of himself and how he is seen by others, and may give a wrong impression about the person he is. Chances are that he is living a fantasy or a lie which has become real for him.
Issues of power and control in relationships arise with Venus opposition Pluto. and with Uranus in the 9th house he will be willing to throw away all the known religious ideas he had and changed them into something totally different and new.
Gemini ruling the Midheaven as if the career had to do with communications, advertising, etc., and the Moon trine Venus, ruler of the 2nd house, pointing out to considerable gain through personal initiative and common sense.
This sounds to me like the Adult Movie Star.

I suposse I might eventually observe some other things that I may have overlooked right now, and then to add something to this or change my mind about my guessing.


Carole

I will play too!

Chart #1: Athlete. Scorp ASC, Mars in Scorpio on the ASC. Extreme willpower, 'kills' the competition, fights to the last breath.

Chart #2: Medium. Emphasis on 4, 8, 12 H -strong psychological foundation. Many easy aspects between these enables great focus and utilisation of talents. Sun in Virgo in 8H, Leo on 8H cusp - Sun energies used to transform/heal other people, creatively.

Chart#3: Serial killer. The squares Sun, Moon to Mars, and Moon, Mercury, Venus to Saturn. Jupiter in Gemini in 10H - expansive intelligence/could outsmart authorities. Saturn in 10H maybe doesn't sit well with Jupiter in the same house. Mars in Taurus is in detriment, and sits high in the chart, close to MC - wrong expression of aggression close to the eye of the public. Sun, Moon, Mercury in 6H - feeling of being overshadowed/sacrifice could breed resentment. Pluto in 12H - transformation could happen in the confinement of prison.

Chart#4: Adult movie star. Absence of planets in 10H - career has no official power, authority, mark on humanity. Moon in Libra in 2H - sensous looks, values. Venus in Aquarius in 5H - sex as creative expression, but also distant to it. Saturn in Aries in 8H - fire in the house of sex.

Hi Draco,

A bit of a delay in replying as my husband has returned home from convalescence. With so many mystery charts to choose from, where does one begin?

O.K. My thoughts:
1) Spiritual medium
2)Serial killer,
3) Athlete,
4 Actor,...I suspected James Dean but have had to change ideas.

CHART #1.

Medium. I took the easy way out from a clue you provided. He is a published writer. There would, to my way of thinking, have to be an affiliation between writing and publishing (9th house) of one’s beliefs (9th house). By coincidence the 9th house is heavily tenanted, including Mercury.
Mercury is also ruler of the 8th house. It squares Neptune in 12th, the planet and house that has so much to do with psychic qualities. Speaking with the departed? Not only that, Neptune is also (modern) ruler of Pisces, which is on the 5th house cusp of creative expression.

Ascendant and Sun are in water signs that deals with feeling rather than tangibility. By coincidence again, Moon-Pluto, rulers Sun sign, 9th house and Ascendant, are conjunct in Leo in the 10th house. Moon to M.C. The person is able to bring the deep feeling within in a dramatic way to the public. ( On another thread, there was also reference to Moon in 10th referring to ‘the public’). Third coincidence is the position of Black Moon Lilith locked imbetween Moon-Pluto. The natural trait to delve into that which cannot be physically seen and touched and give it an existence.

But he could just as easily be the athlete, serial killer or porno star with that Mars in Scorpio.

CHART #2.

Serial killer. Once again, I’ve gone for the simple thing. A full 8th house and, particularly, Saturn in the 12th. Sagittarius has proven to come up a lot in charts of criminals and Saturn in Sag. has been indicative of a lack of social conscience and morals. As with the Brady chart, Saturn in 12th can be indicative of long-term incarceration. I’m also wondering if the conjunction with Moon, ruler 7th, could be indicative of (female) bodies (Saturn) being hidden.

Jupiter in Libra conjoins Neptune. Feelings of grandisement, feeling above the law?The Mercury-Sun-Pluto conjunction sextiles Neptune. Compelled to follow voices that spoke to him. Black Moon Lilith conjunct I.C. makes up a grand trine in the fire signs and also opposes Jupiter. Almost childlike, there is no sense of right and wrong. BML in Aries has often coincided with deep inner feelings of not existing, not feeling seen for whom one is...the “I AM”, therefore I exist”. In a male chart it has sometimes coincided with a feeling of ‘emasculation’.

With the Moon-Saturn in 12th, I would be surprised if this person was the porno star in spite of the heavy 8th house, Mars in physical Taurus, and Neptune in 10th.

Gotta go.....Back another time.

Fris.

In chart no. 1, the Solar Arc 8th house cusp reaches the Sun-Venus conjunction around 32-34 years of age, so there you could suspect an early death. When I was busy figuring out the actor, strangely enough I also thought of James Dean.(God knows why because the hint was: an adult male star and James was young.) But then, according to the SA progressions, chart no.1,(whether killer, athlete or medium) could maybe have died young? (32-34) .Totally guessing here because the SA directions often do not work out that way. I had to laugh about the "**** star" expression. We are talking about a famous MAN (all the charts are male) and I have not yet heard about a famous male pornstar! Females, yes. I think the actor is rather extremely charismatic and a sexsymbol to many ladies.

quote: Starlink

I had to laugh about the "**** star" expression. We are talking about a famous MAN (all the charts are male) and I have not yet heard about a famous male pornstar! Females, yes.

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There are two fairly famous male **** stars I know of.
Initialy I thought adult male star meant movie star, and then after everybody brought up **** star I thought huh..... so I went with **** star.
Ill stick with pornstar, and ill just say there are some famous ones out there.
One of them is extremely controversial, the movie made about him was called Wonderland, And I think Boogie Nights was inspired by him as well, both are mainstream films and not ****.
The other one has a documentary about his life out there and you'll probably find it in Blockbuster....no joke. I dont want to give the names of the people though.

The "documentary" is more on the funny side though even though it is a documentary. He's quite the personality. :rotflmao:Hes been on TV as well and is a real hollywood socialite, for good or Ill.
My initial guesses remain as they are.:68:
Otherwise I worry Draco's Avatar will pull out all its hair trying to respond to all my guesses.

I dont want anyone to change their opinions and guesses though based upon this. I still dont know the answer for sure and dont want to cheat myself and others as well. I dont believe ive given anything away cause I dont seem to have even given anything away to myself either......Im stumped!.
Id just thought Id say there are some "famous" ones out there.
It just depends on an individuals idea of fame, or whatever that even is anymore.
Noteriety, Infamy, Fame.
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And Starlink.... Im laughing too.:rotflmao:--Tsquare

My investigative mind cannot have a rest from these charts now!

I have an internal debate since I haven't been able to make up my mind about charts 1 and 4. What someone said about Leo and the looking for the spotlight on chart 1 rang a bell in my head. Taking a second look at this chart, Gemini ruling the 8th house could reflect a person who doesn't recognise or accept boundaries in sex. That Mars can be a sexy Mars after all. Mercury distorting the person's rational process of thought, granting an overactive imagination... And the importance of Leo ruling Midheaven. The Moon lends emotional need for attention and drama, and puts the person in contact with the public. Possibly a career on stage, with Pluto sextile Neptune also. Mmmmm...this well could be the Adult Movie Star and I mixed up everything!

I'll come back later when I have more free time to continue to analyse these charts, and hopefully decide who is who and which is which.

Carole

Chart #3.

Imho, with no planets in the water signs this could not be the spiritual medium. It doesn’t ring serial killer, either. I’m going for the athlete.

According to the Gaugelin tests, athletes showed a prominent Mars. An athlete needs not only stamina but also strong discipline and staying power. Mars in the first decanate of Taurus would provide the thick muscles as well as stamina and it’s trine natal Sun in the 3rd (Virgo) decanate Capricorn that adds the discipline and staying power, as well as care for, and perfection of, the physical body. Capricorn also rules the legs. Mars is also in the 2nd dwad of Taurus, Gemini, which is associated with agility of movement. With Saturn in 10th in Capricorn decanate and dwad, this is an ambitious achiever. Up against Uranus, ruler 7th, I would not think him to be a team player but a solo artist relying on his own individual ability.
Jupiter is ruler 5th house of creative expression. It’s in Gemini in the 10th. This is more of a l-o-n-g distance runner or high pole jumper, for instance, than a short and quick sprinter.

If he had had Black Moon Lilith conjunct Jupiter in Gemini in the 10th , he might also have said ‘I’m the greatest’ and changed his name to a more spiritual one, losing his true identity. As it is BML forms an out of sign grand trine with Sun-Uranus-Neptune. He may have been the example for others to follow ‘to be just like him’.

Chart # 4.

No choice left, so this could be the male porno star as it’s not James Dean (Saturn in 8th in Aries – killed in car crash).
Movie stars often have a strong Neptune for the association with film/photography. Neptune is in the Ascendant. Although one wouldn’t think of a porno star as having a Virgo Asc., the actions are actually quite clinical. There’s no true feeling involved, just going through the physical motions. Neptune is also inconjunct Saturn in the 8th. The latter has a reputation where sexual inhibitions is concerned. The sexuality could be exploited via the opposition to Mars in 7th (what’s porno without a partner?) , ruler 8th house. And Mars conjunct Jupiter. Size?

BML is in the Gemini decanate of Aquarius in the 5th house. It acts and feels very comfortable in this sign because it’s where it can detach from feeling the most easily. Gemini is everybody’s friend and ‘no body’s lover. Quite convenient that Venus conjuncts BML. In the house of love? It’s not real; it doesn’t exist. BML also squares Uranus, ruler 6th house. It’s a job; nothing permanent.

The person is a Capricorn Sun with Capricorn on 5th house cusp. Ruler Saturn is in the 8th house. With Saturn inconjunct Neptune in the Ascendant, I wonder if death is/was self-inflicted through intoxication of some kind that numbed reality.

My 4 cents.

Fris.

starlink said:

But Astromony, Joan of Arc was a Saint! Poor thing was burned to death, I think Algol had more to do with her fate here than with her personality. I am also terribly curious to know wether chart 3 is actor or killer. Killer with a 6th house Moon and Sun? This looks more to me a person at the mercy of others instead of the other way around. Usually very helpful as well (Virgo house).
It is great to see all the different outcomes. I only looked at them AFTER I did the charts, I did not want to be influenced by the others.

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This is true Starlink but i think that uranus and saturn with Algol would give a tendancy to aggresion and St Joan was a fighter. Lots of famous military generals have outer planets conjunct algol.

I think I’m only going to work on chart number three, at least for now. I’ll admit, I have read most of this thread, so I may have been influenced by the ideas of others.
It’s odd that I read about the Mars Effect just hours before seeing this thread, so when I saw that one of these charts belonged to an athlete it was the first thing I looked for. Charts numbers one and three are the best ones for the Mars Effect, however, it’s chart number three’s Mars that is exactly in one of the two hot spots whereas chart number one’s Mars is close, but this isn’t horseshoes. So, working with this Mars Effect as a first step, it brings me to examine numero tres more closely. I see a Taurus Midheaven that shows he wants rewards…which boils down to lots of money, also it makes me think of physical labors (This part made me think of the adult film star). Another part of the chart that I think would be accented would be the sixth house of health and work. Those athletes have gotta stay healthy you know. Just like I thought, numero tres has an accented sixth house with Sol, Luna, and Mercury here. There’s also a definite connection between the sixth and tenth houses, seeing as how Saturn – lord of the fifth – resides in the tenth house. I also think this person had some drinking problems, which may have led to death, therefore, I believe that this is the one who is now dead.