Shadowflash
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Hm. Fairly predictable, I suppose, how this discussion/debate has unfolded, eh? 
Coupla things here.
For JUPITERASC -- Thanks for your comments! You say:
"The phrase 'prior to incarnation' infers some form of nebulous existence - obviously then a rhetorical question arises regarding the origin of 'the soul aka the self'"
and
"So 'soulgrowth plan' = karma"
While you specified your first comment as rhetorical, I'd like to elaborate a bit here in a way I hope will convey my own *entirely subjective* context of experience and understanding of all this.
Obviously I'm coming from an entirely spiritual frame of reference; I understand the origin of the soul (aka self) literally as Infinite Love, and that each of us as incarnate beings (actually whether in bodies or not) are sparks of/expressions of that Love, or the Divine. I see our cycles of physical lives on Earth as the arena within which we are presented with the choice, moment by moment, whether to choose to enact and embody that love, which dwells within our hearts, or to be/think/act from our entirely-human/egoic energies, which is entirely limited to the realm of mind and almost always dominated by fear. (This life's curriculum for me being quantumly Plutonian/Scorpionic, I've come to understand the dance between spirit/human as pivoting upon the differentiation between control, which is fear-driven, and power, which is love-driven.) I also see this soul/self's journey as a very long and complex one, accomplished over many lifetimes, as we go through much repetitive cause-and-effect-based learning, or *soulgrowth*...
Regarding your second comment, I also wanted to share that for whatever reason...(I'm sure BobZemco would characterize this in many *other ways,* based on his own subjective perspective
).....I came into this life with actual memory of my between-lifetime experience. I remember my human persona...and those of everyone I crossed paths with in that just-past lifetime, no matter what level of involvement...dropping away literally like a mask, revealing their soul-level identity and relationship to me -- which was almost always a continuing long-term saga. One of the biggest shocks was discovering that those with whom I'd had the most diffculty in that life were almost always souls with whom I had the most deep and profound love bond at that higher level...and that *all relationships* I had had, in that life, originated from an agreement made from a similar, very sacred abiding love to portray these roles for one another... Where the word "karma" comes into the picture embraces the fact that the roles we choose to portray for one another draw their inspiration *from* having everything that occurred, all the choices we made in that lifetime, revealed to us *at a truly causal level*. We are able to see all this only because at that level, we are able to *see it all through the eyes of Infinite Love,* which is wholly compassionate and wise; we see exactly why and how even the most horrific of situations, both inner and outer, came to be...and from that context of vision and perception, deep desires to be of further soulgrowth service to one another arise, and are then chosen to be enacted in another lifetime... Often from that higher level we want very much, for instance, to be a source of rich support, love and blessing to a soul we have much amazing history with -- and then, once incarnate deep within the complexities of a human psyche, and within the spell of ego and fear, we (ahem) drift astray from that original intention, and sometimes even cause them great harm. Once that lifetime has ended, we *see what happened,* and from that we intend and create, once again, another opportunity to awaken into living and embodying love within that relationship, instead of fear-based reaction/choices.
From my current incarnate state the analogy came to me of Earthlife being literally like an enormous virtual-reality construct, in which we don aspects of character/persona/psychoemotional qualities (masks or costumes) to then interact with others similarly "veiled" to us and to navigate all these "roads" or 3D circumstantial scenarios for the purposes of soulgrowth.
Argh, that's a very shortened nutshell...and I'm not going to re-read and edit as my pain level's pretty high this morning, but I hope it serves!
For Poyi: I LOVE the quote you use at the bottom of your posts! I couldn't agree more!
Love to everyone...
Coupla things here.
For JUPITERASC -- Thanks for your comments! You say:
"The phrase 'prior to incarnation' infers some form of nebulous existence - obviously then a rhetorical question arises regarding the origin of 'the soul aka the self'"
and
"So 'soulgrowth plan' = karma"
While you specified your first comment as rhetorical, I'd like to elaborate a bit here in a way I hope will convey my own *entirely subjective*
context of experience and understanding of all this. Obviously I'm coming from an entirely spiritual frame of reference; I understand the origin of the soul (aka self) literally as Infinite Love, and that each of us as incarnate beings (actually whether in bodies or not) are sparks of/expressions of that Love, or the Divine. I see our cycles of physical lives on Earth as the arena within which we are presented with the choice, moment by moment, whether to choose to enact and embody that love, which dwells within our hearts, or to be/think/act from our entirely-human/egoic energies, which is entirely limited to the realm of mind and almost always dominated by fear. (This life's curriculum for me being quantumly Plutonian/Scorpionic, I've come to understand the dance between spirit/human as pivoting upon the differentiation between control, which is fear-driven, and power, which is love-driven.) I also see this soul/self's journey as a very long and complex one, accomplished over many lifetimes, as we go through much repetitive cause-and-effect-based learning, or *soulgrowth*...
Regarding your second comment, I also wanted to share that for whatever reason...(I'm sure BobZemco would characterize this in many *other ways,* based on his own subjective perspective
).....I came into this life with actual memory of my between-lifetime experience. I remember my human persona...and those of everyone I crossed paths with in that just-past lifetime, no matter what level of involvement...dropping away literally like a mask, revealing their soul-level identity and relationship to me -- which was almost always a continuing long-term saga. One of the biggest shocks was discovering that those with whom I'd had the most diffculty in that life were almost always souls with whom I had the most deep and profound love bond at that higher level...and that *all relationships* I had had, in that life, originated from an agreement made from a similar, very sacred abiding love to portray these roles for one another... Where the word "karma" comes into the picture embraces the fact that the roles we choose to portray for one another draw their inspiration *from* having everything that occurred, all the choices we made in that lifetime, revealed to us *at a truly causal level*. We are able to see all this only because at that level, we are able to *see it all through the eyes of Infinite Love,* which is wholly compassionate and wise; we see exactly why and how even the most horrific of situations, both inner and outer, came to be...and from that context of vision and perception, deep desires to be of further soulgrowth service to one another arise, and are then chosen to be enacted in another lifetime... Often from that higher level we want very much, for instance, to be a source of rich support, love and blessing to a soul we have much amazing history with -- and then, once incarnate deep within the complexities of a human psyche, and within the spell of ego and fear, we (ahem) drift astray from that original intention, and sometimes even cause them great harm. Once that lifetime has ended, we *see what happened,* and from that we intend and create, once again, another opportunity to awaken into living and embodying love within that relationship, instead of fear-based reaction/choices.From my current incarnate state the analogy came to me of Earthlife being literally like an enormous virtual-reality construct, in which we don aspects of character/persona/psychoemotional qualities (masks or costumes) to then interact with others similarly "veiled" to us and to navigate all these "roads" or 3D circumstantial scenarios for the purposes of soulgrowth.
Argh, that's a very shortened nutshell...and I'm not going to re-read and edit as my pain level's pretty high this morning, but I hope it serves!
For Poyi: I LOVE the quote you use at the bottom of your posts! I couldn't agree more!
Love to everyone...
