Sun in Essential Detriment in Tropical Aquarius

JUPITERASC

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Hi david starling,

Cazimi is an Arabic thing. Rhetorius doesn't use it and neither do early astrologers. For them, a planet is either under Sun's rays or not. If a planet is conjunct Sun, that's joining.
For Cazimi, it's Sun who strengthens the planet, not the planet strengthening Sun.

I simply could not find
anyone with an Aquarian Sun
who suffered
or was a criminal.
The closest thing was Jimmy Hoffa
(a criminal union boss associated with organized crime who disappeared)
and Sharon Tate (Manson murders).

For Sharon Tate, it's not the Aquarian Sun. It's Aquarian Sun in H8 applying trine to retrograde H12 Saturn, Sun inconjunct Ascendant with Sun/Moon inconjunct, and Dragon's Tail and LOF in H8 make things worse. Chart Ruler Venus is in H8 inconjunct Ascendant and Moon and VOC. All that spells disaster.

For Jimmy Hoffa, it's not Aquarian Sun, it's Aquarian Sun in applying square to H4 Moon/Saturn conjunction. Same with Chart Ruler Mercury, who can't see H8. Capricorn Jupiter in H12 is no help. The other benefic Venus is no help, and H12 Capricorn Mars trine Moon/Saturn conjunction is destructive.

If Aquarian Sun was truly a detriment,
you'd expect to see more criminals,
more ne'er-do-wells and more infamous people,
but you see exactly the opposite.
Notable people with productive lives.
Right, like Abraham Lincoln, Charles Darwin,
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart,
Susan B. Anthony, and Thomas Edison.
These people did not work in isolation but they were innovative trail-blazers.
Hi AJ interesting that you could not find any "criminals and infamous people" :smile:
keep in mind that Aquarian serial killers include
ONE OF THE MOST NOTORIOUS SERIAL KILLERS IN THE UNITED STATES
WITH A KILL COUNT THAT IS SAID TO BE THE COUNTRY'S HIGHEST
Gary Ridgway
Born 18 February 1949

also

Lee Boyd Malvo
Born 18 February 1985

David Birnie
Born 16 February 1951

Joel Rifkin
Born 20 January 1959
 

AJ Astrology

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Sharon Tate's chart ruler is Moon, not Venus.

Hi wan,

I use the original method to determine Chart Ruler. The planet ruling the next sign Moon will enter is the Chart Ruler. In Sharon's chart, Virgo Moon will next enter Libra making Venus Chart Ruler. In Jimmy's chart, Taurus Moon next enters Gemini making Mercury Chart Ruler.

Right, like Abraham Lincoln, Charles Darwin, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Susan B. Anthony, and Thomas Edison. These people did not work in isolation but they were innovative trail-blazers.

Hi waybread,

I agree. Lincoln was murdered and Mozart died early due to illness, but the Aquarian Sun is not responsible for that.

Lincoln has H12 Capricorn Moon inconjunct Sun. The luminaries inconjunct is very common in the charts of people who die violent deaths. It's not the only factor, but it is an important one. You see the same with Hoffa and Tate.

Assuming Mozart's birth data is accurate, his H6 Aquarian Sun isn't the issue. The issue would be H11 retrograde Capricorn Mars ruling H8 inconjunct both luminaries.

For a long healthy life, it really helps to have H8 ruler in sign aspect with one or both luminaries. The aspect doesn't matter, so long as they can "see" each other.

Hi AJ interesting that you could not find any "criminals and infamous people" :smile:
keep in mind that Aquarian serial killers include
ONE OF THE MOST NOTORIOUS SERIAL KILLERS IN THE UNITED STATES
WITH A KILL COUNT THAT IS SAID TO BE THE COUNTRY'S HIGHEST
Gary Ridgway
Born 18 February 1949

also

Lee Boyd Malvo
Born 18 February 1985

David Birnie
Born 16 February 1951

Joel Rifkin
Born 20 January 1959


Hi JUPITERASC,

That's 3 out of 3,000.

I'll see your 3 and negate your 3 with Ted Bundy Jeffrey Dahmer and Peter Sutcliffe.
 

JUPITERASC

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Hi JUPITERASC,

That's 3 out of 3,000.

I'll see your 3 and negate your 3 with Ted Bundy Jeffrey Dahmer and Peter Sutcliffe.
Hi AJ :smile:

since you have raised the issue, consider Luis Garavito
Luis Alfredo Garavito Cubillos paedophile AQUARIUS born 25 January 1957
is 7th of seven children Garavito was raised as a oldest child and had six brothers.
His father abused alcohol and/or drugs.
Garavito never married had no children
and is a Colombian serial killer child-murderer, torture-killer and rapist
known as La Bestia aka The Beast
who targeted boys between the ages of 6 to 16
and confessed to killing 147 children over a five-year period in Colombia
-was active for 8 years between 1992-1999
He is suspected of murdering over 300 victims, mostly street children.
Luis Garavito was sentenced to 1853 years and 9 days in jail.
In 1992 Age 34/35 Luis Garavito started his killing spree
during his crimes as a serial killer he was known to commit acts of necrophilia, torture, rape, and murder his victims.
At least one victim was tied, bound, or otherwise restrained during the crime.
At the time of his crimes he was living with a girlfriend and a small child of the girlfriend
He was arrested on April 22nd 1999 Age 42
convicted on May 27th 2000 Age 43
sentenced to 1853 years and nine days imprisonment, reduced to twenty-two years at a Colombian prison
the exact location is unavailable to the public.
Garavito was convicted on charges of murder and other possible charges during his lifetime.
 

JUPITERASC

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Hi JUPITERASC,
That's 3 out of 3,000.

I'll see your 3
and negate your 3 with Ted Bundy Jeffrey Dahmer
and Peter Sutcliffe.
Hi AJ - to continue :smile:

Daniel Camargo Barbosa AQUARIUS born 22 January 1930 a single hetero-sexual Colombian serial killer
known as The Sadist of Chanquito and Manuel Bulgarin Solis.
Camargo was a child-murderer, believed to have raped and killed over one hundred and fifty victims.
He is believed to have been motivated to kill from his stepmother abusing him as a child.
He strangled young girls in Colombia and confessed to killing seventy-two victims
and was active for 13 years between 1974-1986
Prior to his spree he had served time in prison.
He escaped from prison and started killing in Ecuador, rearrested in 1989.
In 1974 Age 43/44 Daniel Camargo started his killing spree
- as a serial killer he was known to rob, strangle, rape, mutilate, and murder his victims.
He would keep personal items from the victim after the crime.
He was arrested on 3 May 1974 Age 44
convicted on 24 December 1977 Age 47
sentenced to twenty-five years plus sixteen years in prison at Gorgona prison
Colombian Alcatraz on a Colombian island in the Pacific Ocean.
He was convicted on charges of murder and other possible charges during his lifetime
and died on 13 November 1994 Age 64, cause of death: homicide
murdered in prison by Geovanny Noguera a nephew of one of his victims
at Garcia Moreno prison in Quito, Ecuador.
 

JUPITERASC

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Right, like Abraham Lincoln, Charles Darwin, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Susan B. Anthony
and Thomas Edison.
These people did not work in isolation
but they were innovative trail-blazers.
Hi WB :smile:

Tiago Gomes da Rocha - Tiago Henrique Gomes da Rocha was a Brazilian security guard
an AQUARIUS serial killer known as the Goiania Serial Killer
born 4 February 1988 Goiânia, Brazil he was raised by his grandparents
and abused at some point of his life
- heterosexual, never married, had no children
and was active for 4 years in Brazil between 2011-2014
Rocha confessed to the murders of thirty-nine people.

He approached his victims on a motorbike and shouted "robbery" before shooting them.
However, Rocha never took anything from his victims.
He targeted homeless people, women and homosexuals in Goiás, Brazil.
While confessing to the murders he claimed his cravings to kill started
when he was sexually abused as a child and the urge only got more intense
when women romantically rejected him as he grew older.
Tiago Gomes da Rocha started his killing spree 2011 Age 22/23
- as a serial killer he was known to strangle his victims and used a weapon
was in possession of a firearm during his crimes
. He was living alone in Goiania, Brazil
He was arrested on 14 October 2014 Age 26
convicted 18 May 2016 Age 28
was convicted of eleven murders and sentenced to life imprisonment, 343 years and 10 months
at a prison in Goiânia, state of Goiás, Brazil
 

JUPITERASC

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So, Aquarian Suns are weak


and antagonistic towards themselves according to Ibn Ezra?
Just because the Sun is in the Sign opposite its Domicle?
Interesting theory!

Haven't seen any evidence of it myself.
Jeffrey Edward Epstein AQUARIUS SUN born 20 January 1953 :smile:
died under mysterious circumstances 10 August 2019
was an American convicted sex offender
and financier, best known for his alleged sex trafficking of minors
and close connections with many of the world's elite.
Until his conviction for sex crimes in 2008, Epstein was a well connected multimillionaire
who moved among the financial, political, and cultural elite.
In 2005, the Palm Beach police in Florida began investigating Epstein
after a parent complained that he molested her 14-year-old daughter.
Epstein eventually pleaded guilty and was convicted in a Florida state court in 2008
of soliciting a prostitute and of procuring an under-18 girl for prostitution.
He served 13 months in custody with work release, as part of a plea deal
where federal officials had identified 36 girls as young as 14 years old who had been molested.
Epstein had additionally faced allegations from numerous individuals
of holding women in sexual slavery — including those underage.
Epstein was arrested again on 6 July 2019, on federal charges for sex trafficking
of minors in Florida and New York.
He died 10 August 2019 allegedly hanging himself in his Manhattan prison cell.
https://metro.co.uk/2019/10/30/bill...r-not-suicide-medical-examiner-says-11012530/
Three weeks before, Epstein had been found unconscious in his jail cell
with injuries to his neck complaining of having been attacked
and was placed on suicide watch, but was later inexplicably removed from the watch.
 

AJ Astrology

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Hi AJ - to continue :smile:

Hi JUPITERASC,

None of that is relevant, since statistically at least some infamous people will have an Aquarian Sun. However, the Aquarian Sun is not responsible for their behavior, since that is determined by Moon/Mercury and to some extent the Ascendant and H7.

If H7 indicates hostility toward others, then it doesn't matter what kind of Sun they have.

A domiciled planet is comfortable, but uncomfortable in other signs, except fall and exaltation.

You treat Sun in Aquarius the same way you treat Sun in Gemini, Pisces, Taurus, Capricorn or Cancer or any other sign except fall and exaltation.

Detriment was not part of the original program. That's a mistake by the Greeks who thought that if a planet is in fall opposite its exaltation, then it must be in detriment if opposite its domicile.

While that might seem logical, it is not, and that is not how ancient astrologers did it.
 

JUPITERASC

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Hi JUPITERASC,
None of that is relevant, since statistically at least some infamous people will have an Aquarian Sun. However, the Aquarian Sun is not responsible for their behavior, since that is determined by Moon/Mercury and to some extent the Ascendant and H7.
If H7 indicates hostility toward others, then it doesn't matter what kind of Sun they have.
A domiciled planet is comfortable, but uncomfortable in other signs, except fall and exaltation.
You treat Sun in Aquarius the same way you treat Sun in Gemini, Pisces, Taurus, Capricorn or Cancer or any other sign except fall and exaltation.
Detriment was not part of the original program. That's a mistake by the Greeks who thought that if a planet is in fall opposite its exaltation, then it must be in detriment if opposite its domicile.
While that might seem logical, it is not, and that is not how ancient astrologers did it.
AJ you said : :smile:
I simply could not find
anyone with an Aquarian Sun
who suffered
or was a criminal.
The closest thing was Jimmy Hoffa
(a criminal union boss associated with organized crime who disappeared)
and Sharon Tate (Manson murders).

If Aquarian Sun was truly a detriment,
you'd expect to see more criminals,
more ne'er-do-wells and more infamous people,
but you see exactly the opposite.
Notable people with productive lives.
Right, like Abraham Lincoln, Charles Darwin,
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart,
Susan B. Anthony, and Thomas Edison.
These people did not work in isolation but they were innovative trail-blazers.
and so I'm simply highlighting for readers of those comments
that in fact
infamous criminals/ne'er-do-wells who are also AQUARIUS abound :smile:
another example
Robert Christian Hansen an American serial killer known as The Butcher Baker
.born 15 February 1939 in Esterville, Iowa was active for 13 years between 1971-1983
had an IQ of 91 completed 12 years of school, received a high school diploma
married, divorced, re-married had two children.
He had bipolar disorder and kidnapped prostitutes releasing them into the Alaska wilderness
so Hansen could hunt them down like game animals.
Rape, torture and abduction were among his signatures.
In 1971 Age 31/32 Robert Christian Hansen started his killing spree
known to torture, stalk, rape, and murder his victimS
used a weapon and was in possession of a firearm during his crimes.
He would keep personal items from the victim after the crime
and used a blindfold or simiar method of covering the victim's eyes.
At least one victim was tied, bound, or otherwise restrained during the crime.
At the time of his crimes he was living with his second wife
and their two children.
Based on discovered remains, police suspect him of six murders
in addition to the fifteen for which he was convicted.
An aviation map with x marks, was found hidden behind Hansen's headboard.
Police later learned the x marks were locations of victims bodies.
A 2013 movie titled The Frozen Ground starring Nicolas Cage and John Cusack
depicts an Alaskan State Trooper seeking to apprehend Hansen
by partnering with a young woman, who escaped Hansen's clutches.
 

JUPITERASC

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I have sun in Aquarius.
I don't view it as a big debility.
Aquarians can come across as somewhat aloof
or not fully present to the other person, but on planet Aquarius
we are the normal ones.
"normal planet Aquarius people" such as the following :smile:

Very Idham Henyansyah AQUARIUS serial killer born February 1st 1978
Jombang, Jawa Timur, Indonesia received a college degree, married Eny Wijaya
had no children, was homosexual
aka the Singing Serial Killer
aka Ryan, the artistic name he adopted while awaiting his execution in prison.
Henyansyah recorded an album and wrote his autobiography while in prison.
Seven pieces of a human body found in bags hidden in two locations
near Ragunan Zoo in South Jakarta on Saturday 12 July 2008.
He was arrested 15 July 2008 Age 30
convicted on 6 April 2009 Age 31
sentenced to death by firing squad at Kesambi Penitentiary, Cirebon, Indonesia.
Henyansyah confessed to murdering 11 people including a toddler.
Henyansyah buried 10 of his victims at his parents' home in the backyard
while the last one was butchered and hidden at the zoo.
He was known to rob, mutilate his victims whom he killed at both his home
and the home of the victim.
He would keep personal items from the victim after the crime.
His autobiography is listed on google books
although there is no way to purchase or preview the book.
 

AJ Astrology

Well-known member
"normal planet Aquarius people" such as the following :smile:

Hi JUIPTERASC.

My Kepler database does not have a large number of serial killers and none had Aquarian Suns.

You keep listing serial killers with Aquarian Suns, but not once have you attempted or even show that the Aquarian Sun is the causal factor.

Statistically, you will find serial killers with Leo Suns, and here are some in all signs:

ARIES
1. Wayne “The Vampire Rapist” Boden … 3 victims
2. Joseph “The Racist Killer” Franklin … 7-22 victims
3. Donald Harvey … 37-57 victims
4. Keith “The Happy Face Killer” Jespersen … 8 victims
5. Paul “The Casanova Killer” Knowles … 18-35+ victims
6. Herbert Mullin … 13 victims
7. Charles “The Serpent” Sobhraj … 12+ victims
8. Christopher “The Beauty Queen Killer” Wilder … 8-9+ victims
TAURUS
1. Martha “The Lonely Hearts Killer” Beck … 3-17 victims
2. Albert “The Moon Maniac” Fish … 3-9+victims
3. Amy Archer-Gilligan … 10-50 victims
4. H. H. “The Torture Doctor” Holmes … 9-200 victims
5. Earle “The Gorilla Killer” Nelson … 22+ victims
GEMINI
1. David “Son of Sam” Berkowitz … 6 victims
2. Kenneth “The Hillside Strangler” Bianchi … 12 victims
3. Richard “The Dracula Killer” Chase … 7 victims
4. John “The Michigan Co-Ed Killer” Collins … 1-7+ victims
5. Jeffrey “The Milwaukee Cannibal” Dahmer … 17 victims
6. Peter “The Monster of Dusseldorf” Kurten … 9+ victims
7. Leonard Lake … 11-25 victims
8. Danny “The Gainesville Ripper” Rolling … 8 victims
9. Arthur “The Monster of the Rivers” Shawcross … 14 victims
10. Peter “The Yorkshire Ripper” Sutcliffe … 9+ victims
11. Wayne “The Atlanta Child Killer” Williams … 23-29 victims
12. Robert Lee Yates … 16 victims
CANCER
1. John Reginald “The Monster of Rillington Place” Christie … 8 victims
2. Gary Heidnik … 2+ victims
3. Genene Jones … 2-60 victims
4. Carl Panzram … 5-22 victims
LEO
1. John “The Acid Bath Killer” Haigh … 6-9 victims
2. Myra “The Moors Murderer” Hindley … 5 victims
3. Anthony “The Cleveland Strangler” Sowell … 11 victims
VIRGO
1. Rodney “The Dating Game Killer” Alcala … 8-130 victims
2. Richard “The Angel of Death” Angelo … 8 victims
3. Paul “The Schoolgirl Killer” Bernardo … 3-4 victims
4. Richard “The Thrill Killer” Biegenwald … 6-9+ victims
5. Albert “The Boston Strangler” DeSalvo … 13 victims
6. Ed “Psycho” Gein … 2+ victims
7. Harrison Graham … 7 victims
8. Henry Lee Lucas … 157+ victims
9. Gerald Stano … 22-41+ victims
10. Marybeth “The Bad Mom” Tinning … 1-9 victims
LIBRA
1. Angelo “The Hillside Strangler” Buono, Jr. … 12 victims
2. Gerald “The Love Slave Killer” Gallego … 10 victims
3. Patrick “The Freeway Killer” Kearney … 21-43 victims
4. Bobby Joe “The Classified Ad Rapist” Long … 10+ victims
SCORPIO
1. Alton Coleman … 8 victims
2. Nannie “The Giggling Granny” Doss … 11 victims
3. Belle “Hell’s Belle” Gunness … 40+ victims
4. William “The Lipstick Killer” Heirens … 3 victims
5. Charles Manson … 7 victims
6. Carl Eugene “The Sunday Morning Slasher” Watts … 22-100 victims
SAGITTARIUS
1. Ted Bundy … 30-36+ victims
2. Alton Coleman … 8 victims
3. Richard “The Torso Killer” Cottingham … 6+ victims
4. Carlton “The Stocking Strangler” Gary … 7 victims
5. Edmund “The Co-Ed Butcher” Kemper … 10 victims
6. Dennis “The Monochrome Man” Nilsen … 12-15 victims
CAPRICORN
1. Joe “The Alligator Man” Ball … 2-20 victims
2. William Bonin … 21-36+ victims
3. Ian “The Moors Murderer” Brady … 5 victims
4. Dean “The Candy Man” Corll … 28+ victims
5. Vincent “The Brooklyn Strangler” Johnson … 5 victims
6. Charles Ng … 11-25 victims
AQUARIUS
1. Jerry “The Lust Killer” Brudos … 4 victims
2. Robert “The Butcher Baker” Hansen … 17-21+ victims
3. Derrick Todd “The Baton Rouge Serial Killer” Lee … 7+ victims
4. Joel Rifkin … 9-17+ victims
PISCES
1. John Wayne “The Clown Killer” Gacy … 33-34 victims
2. Donald Henry “The Meanest Man in America” Gaskins … 9+ victims
3. Randy Steven “The Scorecard Killer” Kraft … 16-67 victims
4. Richard “The Night Stalker” Ramirez … 14 victims
5 Ottis Toole … 6+ victims
6. Gary “The Green River Killer” Ridgway … 49-90+ victims
7. Dennis “The BTK Killer” Rader … 10 victims
8. Dorothea “The Death House Landlady” Puente … 3-9 victims
9. Douglas “The Sunset Slayer” Clark … 7 victims
10. Raymond “The Lonely Hearts Killer” Fernandez … 3-17 victims
11. Christopher “The Beauty Queen Killer” Wilder … 8-9+ victims
12. Aileen Wuornos … 7 victims

You may keep listing them if you wish, but you just look foolish.

You have failed to show Sun in Aquarius is in detriment, so let's dispense with the stupidity already.
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
Hi JUIPTERASC.

My Kepler database does not have a large number of serial killers and none had Aquarian Suns.

You keep listing serial killers with Aquarian Suns, but not once have you attempted or even show that the Aquarian Sun is the causal factor.

Statistically, you will find serial killers with Leo Suns, and here are some in all signs:

ARIES
1. Wayne “The Vampire Rapist” Boden … 3 victims
2. Joseph “The Racist Killer” Franklin … 7-22 victims
3. Donald Harvey … 37-57 victims
4. Keith “The Happy Face Killer” Jespersen … 8 victims
5. Paul “The Casanova Killer” Knowles … 18-35+ victims
6. Herbert Mullin … 13 victims
7. Charles “The Serpent” Sobhraj … 12+ victims
8. Christopher “The Beauty Queen Killer” Wilder … 8-9+ victims
TAURUS
1. Martha “The Lonely Hearts Killer” Beck … 3-17 victims
2. Albert “The Moon Maniac” Fish … 3-9+victims
3. Amy Archer-Gilligan … 10-50 victims
4. H. H. “The Torture Doctor” Holmes … 9-200 victims
5. Earle “The Gorilla Killer” Nelson … 22+ victims
GEMINI
1. David “Son of Sam” Berkowitz … 6 victims
2. Kenneth “The Hillside Strangler” Bianchi … 12 victims
3. Richard “The Dracula Killer” Chase … 7 victims
4. John “The Michigan Co-Ed Killer” Collins … 1-7+ victims
5. Jeffrey “The Milwaukee Cannibal” Dahmer … 17 victims
6. Peter “The Monster of Dusseldorf” Kurten … 9+ victims
7. Leonard Lake … 11-25 victims
8. Danny “The Gainesville Ripper” Rolling … 8 victims
9. Arthur “The Monster of the Rivers” Shawcross … 14 victims
10. Peter “The Yorkshire Ripper” Sutcliffe … 9+ victims
11. Wayne “The Atlanta Child Killer” Williams … 23-29 victims
12. Robert Lee Yates … 16 victims
CANCER
1. John Reginald “The Monster of Rillington Place” Christie … 8 victims
2. Gary Heidnik … 2+ victims
3. Genene Jones … 2-60 victims
4. Carl Panzram … 5-22 victims
LEO
1. John “The Acid Bath Killer” Haigh … 6-9 victims
2. Myra “The Moors Murderer” Hindley … 5 victims
3. Anthony “The Cleveland Strangler” Sowell … 11 victims
VIRGO
1. Rodney “The Dating Game Killer” Alcala … 8-130 victims
2. Richard “The Angel of Death” Angelo … 8 victims
3. Paul “The Schoolgirl Killer” Bernardo … 3-4 victims
4. Richard “The Thrill Killer” Biegenwald … 6-9+ victims
5. Albert “The Boston Strangler” DeSalvo … 13 victims
6. Ed “Psycho” Gein … 2+ victims
7. Harrison Graham … 7 victims
8. Henry Lee Lucas … 157+ victims
9. Gerald Stano … 22-41+ victims
10. Marybeth “The Bad Mom” Tinning … 1-9 victims
LIBRA
1. Angelo “The Hillside Strangler” Buono, Jr. … 12 victims
2. Gerald “The Love Slave Killer” Gallego … 10 victims
3. Patrick “The Freeway Killer” Kearney … 21-43 victims
4. Bobby Joe “The Classified Ad Rapist” Long … 10+ victims
SCORPIO
1. Alton Coleman … 8 victims
2. Nannie “The Giggling Granny” Doss … 11 victims
3. Belle “Hell’s Belle” Gunness … 40+ victims
4. William “The Lipstick Killer” Heirens … 3 victims
5. Charles Manson … 7 victims
6. Carl Eugene “The Sunday Morning Slasher” Watts … 22-100 victims
SAGITTARIUS
1. Ted Bundy … 30-36+ victims
2. Alton Coleman … 8 victims
3. Richard “The Torso Killer” Cottingham … 6+ victims
4. Carlton “The Stocking Strangler” Gary … 7 victims
5. Edmund “The Co-Ed Butcher” Kemper … 10 victims
6. Dennis “The Monochrome Man” Nilsen … 12-15 victims
CAPRICORN
1. Joe “The Alligator Man” Ball … 2-20 victims
2. William Bonin … 21-36+ victims
3. Ian “The Moors Murderer” Brady … 5 victims
4. Dean “The Candy Man” Corll … 28+ victims
5. Vincent “The Brooklyn Strangler” Johnson … 5 victims
6. Charles Ng … 11-25 victims
AQUARIUS
1. Jerry “The Lust Killer” Brudos … 4 victims
2. Robert “The Butcher Baker” Hansen … 17-21+ victims
3. Derrick Todd “The Baton Rouge Serial Killer” Lee … 7+ victims
4. Joel Rifkin … 9-17+ victims
PISCES
1. John Wayne “The Clown Killer” Gacy … 33-34 victims
2. Donald Henry “The Meanest Man in America” Gaskins … 9+ victims
3. Randy Steven “The Scorecard Killer” Kraft … 16-67 victims
4. Richard “The Night Stalker” Ramirez … 14 victims
5 Ottis Toole … 6+ victims
6. Gary “The Green River Killer” Ridgway … 49-90+ victims
7. Dennis “The BTK Killer” Rader … 10 victims
8. Dorothea “The Death House Landlady” Puente … 3-9 victims
9. Douglas “The Sunset Slayer” Clark … 7 victims
10. Raymond “The Lonely Hearts Killer” Fernandez … 3-17 victims
11. Christopher “The Beauty Queen Killer” Wilder … 8-9+ victims
12. Aileen Wuornos … 7 victims

You may keep listing them if you wish, but you just look foolish.

You have failed to show Sun in Aquarius is in detriment, so let's dispense with the stupidity already.
you have failed to show that the sun is not in detriment in Aquarius

so by all means cease the stupidity :smile:
 

JUPITERASC

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Hi JUIPTERASC.

My Kepler database does not have a large number of serial killers and none had Aquarian Suns.
obviously a debility for Kepler database users :smile:
who for some reason are being given incomplete data

here's another not on Kepler database
born Enriqueta Martí y Ripollés 2 February 1868 inSant Feliu de Llobregat
city and municipality in Catalonia, Spain, in the province of Barcelona
was a Self-proclaimed witch abducted, prostituted, murdered
and made potions with the bodies of small children that she sold in Barcelona.
Aka The Vampire of the Raval aka The Vampire of Barcelona
was active for 13 years between 1900-1912,
Heterosexual married then separated had no children, known to work as a prostitute, procurer
she was known to commit acts of vampirism
Remains of 12 different children were identified in her home
but she is believed to have murdered more.
She was arrested on 27 February 1912 Age 44
sentenced tobut never tried murdered in prison by fellow inmates
at Reina Amàlia jail, Barcelona, Spain while awaiting trial in 1913.
died on May 12th 1913 Age 45, cause of death: homicide, Lynched by other inmates
in Reina Amàlia jail, Barcelona, Spain.
She is buried at Montjuïc Cemetery, cemetery.
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
you cannot find any Aquarius Sun serial killers
on your Kepler database :smile:
.
I simply could not find
anyone with an Aquarian Sun
who suffered
or was a criminal.
The closest thing was Jimmy Hoffa
(a criminal union boss associated with organized crime who disappeared)
and Sharon Tate (Manson murders).

If Aquarian Sun was truly a detriment,
you'd expect to see more criminals,
more ne'er-do-wells and more infamous people,
but you see exactly the opposite.
Notable people with productive lives.
and so

another for the database
William Devin Howell AQUARIUS American serial killer known as the Sick Ripper
born 11th February 1970 in Hampton, Virginia, US
was convicted of murdering seven people in 2003.
Howell cut off the tips of a victims fingers and dismantled the bottom jaw of at least one of his victims.
One of his victims was strangled to death
after Howell realized the victim was transgender during a sexual act.
He disposed some of the bodies in a wooded area behind a shopping mall in New Britain, Connecticut.
Howell reportable told a fellow cellmate that there was a monster inside of him
and described himself as a sick ripper.
He was arrested 13 May 2005 Age 35, convicted 17 November 2017 Age 47
sentenced to life imprisonment, six consecutive terms
at the Cheshire Correctional Institution in Cheshire, Connecticut, US.
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
Thanks! So are you. :biggrin:
likewise :smile:

Friedrich Schumann AQUARIUS German serial killer and rapist
known as the Massenmörder vom Falkenhagener born 1 February 1893 in Spandau, Berlin, Germany.
Mass Murderer of Falkenhagen Lake Schumann murdered at least six victims in Germany
between 1918 and 1919.
Schumann would target couples hiking in the Falkenhagener forest near the lake.
He would rob and shoot his victims, raping the female victims
. Schumann had numerous other charges including multiple charges of rape
where the victim was not murdered.
He was arrested 20 August 1920 Age 27, convicted on 13 July 1920 Age 27,
sentenced to death, decapitation with an axe
at Plötzensee Prison, Charlottenburg-Wilmersdorf, Berlin, Germany.
Schumann was executed by beheading in the courtyard of the Plötzensee Prison
by the Prussian executioner Carl Gröpler using an axe on 27 August 1921 Age 28
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
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Gary Ray Bowles is an American AQUARIUS serial killer born 25 January 1962 Clifton Forge, Virginia.
Bisexual, never married had no children, was known to abuse alcohol and drugs
and beat and strangled six men to death to steal their credit cards in 1994.
He was known to kill at the home of the victim.
At the time of his crimes he was living alone homeless in Florida, Georgia and Maryland
where he was known to work as a prostitute.
Bowles became a suspect after police found his fingerprints and probation records at a crime scene :smile:
I would say Sun in Aqua is highly functional, and
good at overcoming adversity.
It's a good example
for exploring the concept of "debilities", which
may not be as bad as it sounds.

Bowles murdered five other men
in Nassau County, Florida; Jacksonville, Florida; Savannah, Georgia; Atlanta, Georgia; and Wheaton, Maryland.
Bowles was placed on the FBI's 10 Most Wanted Fugitive List.
Gary Ray Bowles was arrested 22 November 1994 Age 32
convicted 6 September 1996 Age 34
sentenced to death by electrocution at Union Correctional Institution, Florida State Prison
Raiford Prison in Raiford, Florida, US.
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david starling

Well-known member
Hi JUIPTERASC.

My Kepler database does not have a large number of serial killers and none had Aquarian Suns.

You keep listing serial killers with Aquarian Suns, but not once have you attempted or even show that the Aquarian Sun is the causal factor.

Statistically, you will find serial killers with Leo Suns, and here are some in all signs:

ARIES
1. Wayne “The Vampire Rapist” Boden … 3 victims
2. Joseph “The Racist Killer” Franklin … 7-22 victims
3. Donald Harvey … 37-57 victims
4. Keith “The Happy Face Killer” Jespersen … 8 victims
5. Paul “The Casanova Killer” Knowles … 18-35+ victims
6. Herbert Mullin … 13 victims
7. Charles “The Serpent” Sobhraj … 12+ victims
8. Christopher “The Beauty Queen Killer” Wilder … 8-9+ victims
TAURUS
1. Martha “The Lonely Hearts Killer” Beck … 3-17 victims
2. Albert “The Moon Maniac” Fish … 3-9+victims
3. Amy Archer-Gilligan … 10-50 victims
4. H. H. “The Torture Doctor” Holmes … 9-200 victims
5. Earle “The Gorilla Killer” Nelson … 22+ victims
GEMINI
1. David “Son of Sam” Berkowitz … 6 victims
2. Kenneth “The Hillside Strangler” Bianchi … 12 victims
3. Richard “The Dracula Killer” Chase … 7 victims
4. John “The Michigan Co-Ed Killer” Collins … 1-7+ victims
5. Jeffrey “The Milwaukee Cannibal” Dahmer … 17 victims
6. Peter “The Monster of Dusseldorf” Kurten … 9+ victims
7. Leonard Lake … 11-25 victims
8. Danny “The Gainesville Ripper” Rolling … 8 victims
9. Arthur “The Monster of the Rivers” Shawcross … 14 victims
10. Peter “The Yorkshire Ripper” Sutcliffe … 9+ victims
11. Wayne “The Atlanta Child Killer” Williams … 23-29 victims
12. Robert Lee Yates … 16 victims
CANCER
1. John Reginald “The Monster of Rillington Place” Christie … 8 victims
2. Gary Heidnik … 2+ victims
3. Genene Jones … 2-60 victims
4. Carl Panzram … 5-22 victims
LEO
1. John “The Acid Bath Killer” Haigh … 6-9 victims
2. Myra “The Moors Murderer” Hindley … 5 victims
3. Anthony “The Cleveland Strangler” Sowell … 11 victims
VIRGO
1. Rodney “The Dating Game Killer” Alcala … 8-130 victims
2. Richard “The Angel of Death” Angelo … 8 victims
3. Paul “The Schoolgirl Killer” Bernardo … 3-4 victims
4. Richard “The Thrill Killer” Biegenwald … 6-9+ victims
5. Albert “The Boston Strangler” DeSalvo … 13 victims
6. Ed “Psycho” Gein … 2+ victims
7. Harrison Graham … 7 victims
8. Henry Lee Lucas … 157+ victims
9. Gerald Stano … 22-41+ victims
10. Marybeth “The Bad Mom” Tinning … 1-9 victims
LIBRA
1. Angelo “The Hillside Strangler” Buono, Jr. … 12 victims
2. Gerald “The Love Slave Killer” Gallego … 10 victims
3. Patrick “The Freeway Killer” Kearney … 21-43 victims
4. Bobby Joe “The Classified Ad Rapist” Long … 10+ victims
SCORPIO
1. Alton Coleman … 8 victims
2. Nannie “The Giggling Granny” Doss … 11 victims
3. Belle “Hell’s Belle” Gunness … 40+ victims
4. William “The Lipstick Killer” Heirens … 3 victims
5. Charles Manson … 7 victims
6. Carl Eugene “The Sunday Morning Slasher” Watts … 22-100 victims
SAGITTARIUS
1. Ted Bundy … 30-36+ victims
2. Alton Coleman … 8 victims
3. Richard “The Torso Killer” Cottingham … 6+ victims
4. Carlton “The Stocking Strangler” Gary … 7 victims
5. Edmund “The Co-Ed Butcher” Kemper … 10 victims
6. Dennis “The Monochrome Man” Nilsen … 12-15 victims
CAPRICORN
1. Joe “The Alligator Man” Ball … 2-20 victims
2. William Bonin … 21-36+ victims
3. Ian “The Moors Murderer” Brady … 5 victims
4. Dean “The Candy Man” Corll … 28+ victims
5. Vincent “The Brooklyn Strangler” Johnson … 5 victims
6. Charles Ng … 11-25 victims
AQUARIUS
1. Jerry “The Lust Killer” Brudos … 4 victims
2. Robert “The Butcher Baker” Hansen … 17-21+ victims
3. Derrick Todd “The Baton Rouge Serial Killer” Lee … 7+ victims
4. Joel Rifkin … 9-17+ victims
PISCES
1. John Wayne “The Clown Killer” Gacy … 33-34 victims
2. Donald Henry “The Meanest Man in America” Gaskins … 9+ victims
3. Randy Steven “The Scorecard Killer” Kraft … 16-67 victims
4. Richard “The Night Stalker” Ramirez … 14 victims
5 Ottis Toole … 6+ victims
6. Gary “The Green River Killer” Ridgway … 49-90+ victims
7. Dennis “The BTK Killer” Rader … 10 victims
8. Dorothea “The Death House Landlady” Puente … 3-9 victims
9. Douglas “The Sunset Slayer” Clark … 7 victims
10. Raymond “The Lonely Hearts Killer” Fernandez … 3-17 victims
11. Christopher “The Beauty Queen Killer” Wilder … 8-9+ victims
12. Aileen Wuornos … 7 victims

You may keep listing them if you wish, but you just look foolish.

You have failed to show Sun in Aquarius is in detriment, so let's dispense with the stupidity already.

Hey AJ, got any serial killer listings for people with Jupiter on the Ascendant? :biggrin:
 
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