Donald Trump will be impeached.

david starling

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Just because an impeachment inquiry has begun does not mean the House will vote to impeach Trump.

For Trump to be forced from office, the Senate would have to hold a trial and two-thirds of the Senate would need to vote to remove him. Republicans, however, control the Senate, so such an outcome is highly unlikely.

MD

P.S. Just drew a chart asking if Trump was going to be impeached and got Moon VOC. Nothing going to come of this, yet again!

At what point would he be under oath? Clinton wasn't impeached for what he did with Monica, he was impeached for lying about it under oath.
 

david starling

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I want him gone as badly as anyone but this seems like such a charade to concentrate the power of the deep state and get him re-elected.

A LOT of the reason for his election was the hysteria over Hillary, fomented by foreign entities. Many Democrats refused to vote for her. Other important reasons were the assurance by the major news outlets that his election was an impossibility, and the free publicity they gave him because of his "zany" blurtings. Things are different now.
The next election is still far off, and changes can occur rapidly. I was just pointing out that the title of this thread has gained new relevance.
 

JUPITERASC

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Moondancing

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I drew a chart too - Will he be impeached?


Looks to be a yes - (sextile Mecury ruler of the 10th to the Moon - Interesting that both Venus (ruler of the 7th, (the others) is in the 11th with Rump.



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Hmmm, that Moon is VOC. It is at 19'27 and has past Mercury, Venus, Jupiter, and Saturn.

DM
 
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leomoon

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from Alex Miller Mignone - Asteroid Astrology (for those who follow them)



http://alexasteroidastrology.com/astrology-of-impeachment-hearings/



Impeachment Begins

Things have started moving swiftly on Capitol Hill, now that the Ukraine dam has broken, and the resulting flood could wash away Trump and the swampy residents of his cabinet. On September 24, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi announced that impeachment inquiries have officially begun.

About **** time.

The Speaker is in a strong, not to say unassailable, position, with asteroid Nancy conjunct that cosmic enforcer, asteroid Nemesis, bringing ruin and downfall in its wake, while opposing Damocles, the doom hanging overhead, and Askalaphus, the whistleblower, in a t-square with Sedna, Vesta and asteroid Lie, signaling the isolation of a public servant who has deceived and betrayed the public trust. All of which overlays Trump's natal Angles.

With asteroid Troemper exactly conjunct Saturn, also conjoined Pluto and exactly opposed the US Sun, in a t-square with Mercury and America, the nation (America) is about to be treated to the calling to account and possible punishment (both Saturn) of its Chief Executive (also Saturn), based in a full disclosure of the facts (Mercury) regarding Donald Trump's corruption (Pluto).

With Whitehouse opposed Achilles, Trump's vulnerability is clear to see, and a pairing of Hybris with Icarus shows reckless arrogance to be the cause. Although asteroid Senator conjoins Whitehouse, perhaps giving Trump cover from removal from office via his Senate GOP allies, asteroid McConnell conjunct Nancy and Nemesis seems to be ranging itself for a possible turncoat moment.

Grab the popcorn, this is about to get good!
 

leomoon

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Thanks Moondancing. Time for me to get out my notes as I do no do Horary that much anymore, so hope this can help us recall some caveats - (if indeed there are any?)




(see Lily’s rules below)
The strong significators are those of...
Taurus, Cancer, Sagittarius and Pisces... in those signs a VOC Moon is not much hindered and will perform much better, because Taurus, Cancer, Sagittarius and Pisces are all ruled by benefics. (i.e. Venus & Jupiter) ****


From notes I made years ago, can't recall where I read them now:


[FONT=&quot] Lilly makes it perfectly clear that the only aspects to be considered are the traditional Ptolemaic aspects. The Conjunction, Sextile, Square, Trine and Opposition. The argument of whether a Moon is VOC centers on its application to the next planet. With the Moon, Lilly's rules allow for an applying orb of 12½ degrees, and a separating orb of 8½ degrees. The Sun and the Moon because of their over-riding importance in every horoscope are always given wider orbs because they exert such a dominant influence over everything they touch and the range of their power reaches further. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]

if the Moon is still within 12½ degrees applying orb of another planet we have to look further. If the Moon is making an application to another planet in the early degrees of another sign, then it is not VOC. The fact that this aspect will not perfect until the Moon has changed signs is irrelevant to the question.

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[FONT=&quot] "The sign cusp is NOT an Iron Curtain nor a concrete wall. It is the making of an applying aspect, rather than the perfection of the aspect that is important. If the Moon is making an applying aspect it is not VOC."
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[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]Another way to remember the rules: [/FONT][FONT=&quot]

The Moon IS VOC when it is in the first 18 degrees of a sign and makes NO applying Ptolemaic aspect to any other planet before it leaves the sign it is in. (There is basically no chance the 12.5 orb rule can apply before it leaves the sign.)

The Moon IS VOC when it is in the last 12 degrees of a sign and makes NO applying Ptolemaic aspect to planets in the first decanate of any other sign using a 12½ degrees orb.

The Moon IS NOT VOC when it is in the last 12 degrees of a sign but does make an applying Ptolemaic aspect to planets in the first decanate of another sign using a 12½ degrees orb.

Of course the Moon is definitely NOT VOC when it does make applying Ptolemaic aspects before leaving the sign it is in.

There is an additional exception. Even if the Moon is VOC... Lilly says: "All manner of matters goe hardly on (except the principall significators be very strong)"

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[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]I have to wonder about this note however, and hope the Committees doing the investigations have and use lawyers and others more efficient in their question time the we saw the other day with G.O.P. Lewandowski, clearly being coached to waste the 5 minute time limit and "win the charade" he was playing.
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[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]A void of course moon in Sagittarius is milder than others as the straying moon is milder in signs in which the planet Jupiter is exalted. You may be the victim of a prank or find out that information you thought was false was actually true after all. This stray moon is exasperating, more than anything, as others may become very vague when they communicate with you. [/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
 
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AJ Astrology

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Hi All,

Hmmm, that Moon is VOC. It is at 19'27 and has past Mercury, Venus, Jupiter, and Saturn.

Good catch. That's probably because the poster didn't have the authority to pose the horary question in the first place.

The threat of an unnecessary war with Iran has never been higher.

Conflict with Iran is inevitable regardless who holds office.

The US has a strategy that envisions the Future, about 40-50 years from now.

In order to bring that vision to fruition, conflict with Iran is an absolute necessity.

Failure to realize the US vision will be disastrous for Americans.

Your own government says so:

The costs of not implementing this strategy are clear. Failure to meet our defense objectives will result in decreasing U.S. global influence, eroding cohesion among allies and partners, and reduced access to markets that will contribute to a decline in our prosperity and standard of living.

https://www.defense.gov/Portals/1/Do...gy-Summary.pdf


Many Democrats refused to vote for her.

Many Independents refused, too.

The best candidate by far was Jim Webb, but the Lame-Stream Media had already anointed Hillary and were hellbent on ramming her down everyone's throats no matter what the cost.

It's unfortunate the lame people who whine about Russian influence are silent when it comes to US Media influence.
 

david starling

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AJ, the difference is that U.S. media is allowed by law to promote one candidate and denigrate another. Foreign influences posing as American are against the law, had a substantial impact, and therefore invalidated the Election.
As for the major media outlets, they ended up helping him win, by giving him at least a billion dollars in free publicity and lulling Democrats into a false sense of security that his candidacy was a joke, and that he couldn't possibly win. With "enemies" like that, who needs friends?
 

leomoon

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The way I see it (not that anyone else does) :sleeping: is that there is a right way to go about things and there is a wrong way.


Giving the potus the benefit of the doubt that he is sincere in his belief that somehow, Joe Biden's VP position gave his son a leg-up to riches is imo, probably true. But of course the same can be said of Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner with foreign countries. The "right" way would be to ask the Justice Dept to investigate the lawbreakers if he believes a law has been broken. Not to go around the bend acting like a mafia boss with a foreign country, (be it an ally as in this case, or as in 2016, the opposite as with Russia)


Trump rants about Hunter Biden and China, but doesn't blink an eyelash about his own daughter and son in law's antics in China, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar and elsewhere:
https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-ivanka-trump-brand-20170418-story.html


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/28/business/ivanka-trump-china-trademarks.html


and, since she announced her"brand" would shut down, MORE trademarks a gift?

https://boingboing.net/2018/11/05/trump-brand-voting-machines.html



The way that Trump decided to go about leveling the playing field was certainly without doubt, "the wrong way" and very probably illegal at that. Yet I have no doubt it came natural to him, as will defending his "god-given right" to stay in office beyond the allotted 4 years if he loses in 2020.
People who know him personally have said as much, that he will not go away if he loses or to leave the office behind in January of 2021. Instead, another suggested just the other day, he would likely get the military to keep him installed while insisting he won even if he loses.



Yet to be determined.



And NO, regardless of the "wiggle room" with the Impeachment VOC moon, I don't believe the Republicans will hold their man to the fire for his crimes, other then for a few who broke away already from his charms.
 

JUPITERASC

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A WAR with IRAN?!? Is THIS what his supporters signed on for?!? :devil:
We need a balance in the middle east!

Hi All,

Conflict with Iran is inevitable

regardless who holds office.

The US has a strategy that envisions the Future, about 40-50 years from now.
In order to bring that vision to fruition, conflict with Iran is an absolute necessity.
Failure to realize the US vision will be disastrous for Americans.
Your own government says so:
The costs of not implementing this strategy are clear.
Failure to meet our defense objectives
will result in decreasing U.S. global influence, eroding cohesion
among allies and partners, and
reduced access to markets
that will contribute to a decline in our prosperity
and standard of living.

https://www.defense.gov/Portals/1/Do...gy-Summary.pdf
Many Independents refused, too.
The best candidate by far was Jim Webb, but
the Lame-Stream Media had already anointed Hillary and were hellbent on ramming her down everyone's throats
no matter what the cost.
It's unfortunate the lame people who whine about Russian influence
are silent when it comes to US Media influence.
Deep State/House Dems Manufacture ANOTHER Crisis
to Justify Unlawful Impeachment of Trump! :smile:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BZhRYg7YdQ
 
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