Pluto Transits

i haVE a thread on 4th house pluto transits here - itoo have pluto transiting my 4th house stellium. Yes it has brought death but in completely liberating ways!my father died - to some , i should say most , a very sad thing . For me, I had no idea how free I'd become until now! When it happened it was like someone put me in a barrel and rolled me down a bumpy hill and i ended up in china! Completely foreign ! So at first it was a bit harrowing, rebuilding my foundation (4th house)but now its mine and no longer ruled by someone other than me! I did not realize how much I was controlled by my dad until now.
Pluto in the 4th says you are no longer dictated by past structures its time for you to build your own. You may not see it now but in a few years you will realize how much you may have leaned on the values and structures of people who were your teachers and now you find yourself forced to be your own strength , no longer bound to their truths you will discover your own and yes you may still find some of their words hold true but thats all you need, the remembrance of the words that make sense. Some will not make any sense and are easily now discarded.You may find that things you were only seeing through their eyes, suddenly becomes way different and you are able to discover what is true to you because you are no longer required to "respect them " in their presence and you are free now to question. I know its hard now but you must mourn and say goodbye, it may take a few years but realize that you are building a whole new life . And with Pluto it is a very deep process, not immediately recognizable in the consciousness. Allow yourself to accept it and go through it , staying in the past will make things worse for you down the road. But with Pluto, the die is cast and you already are forced into a new reality. Be kind to yourself and treat yourself to things that soothe like yoga, massages, bubble baths etc. Make yourself as comfortable as possible as you transition. Believe me it helps so much!

Thank you for starting this thread, Amazon1963! It is exactly what everyone under a Pluto transit could want.
Speaking from being in the midst of one, I find it like nothing that I had thought it would be from reading other people's experiences of it and from personal interpretation. It makes me think that one of the lessons of this transit is that it is not limited to any human expectation. I find that there is no power struggle or transformation as of yet. But what is happening is self-examination, similar to the allusions of the author of the Pluto transits, in your opening.
The past returns, but not to stay in memory, only recede into a void as it is no longer relevant to the reality of living. Pluto is like effervescent lamplight, guiding one to settle into inseparable presence.

Im tacking on a link to my thread started several years ago , guess it belongs here

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9323

Interesting. The year I lost my father Pluto entered my 8th, it was also conjunct progressed Moon and natal Saturn. Pluto had just made a conjunction to my brother's IC as well. In my mother's chart Pluto was conjunct the rulers of her Asc and MC.

I was pretty young and hardly remember him, but it was hard on the family.

Can anyone interpret how a Pluto conjunct natal Neptune transit will affect me according to my chart? (First one is natal+ transits. Second one is progressed chart.)

Can you share your experiences w Pluto transiting the 9th house? I had 1 friend start A.A. during a pluto in the 9th house transit (belief systems transformed..), but I don't haven't heard any other stories.

Pluto is currently moving through my 8th house - which is hellish...In a couple of years, Pluto will oppose my N Venus and move into my 9th. Pr Venus will Conjunct N Pluto at the same time...THAT should be interesting!

Is the 9th house better?? (I have no planets in the 9th)

Any experience w Pluto - Venus transits to share?

thanks

A lot depends on where these planets are natally, no? When transiting pluto (natally conj. my asc) came into conjunction with my natal venus (ruling my 4th, intercepted in my 4th and ruling my moon and intercepted ruler of my natal 10th) I transformed my life by moving outside the USA. Transformation of home and career. Look to your houses to see where your transformation might apply, and prepare yourself for it. It happens whether or not you realize it, slips up on you too. It's not necessarily a negative energy, it is transformational and can be very positive and lead to growth in the areas of your chart brought into play. Good luck.

I thought I'd add the most recent developments of my unending Pluto transit.

Pluto is currently conjunct my IC, leaving a square from my Ascendant and moving into an applying square with my natal Saturn and Jupiter and is of course opposite my MC.


The emphasis has been interesting because I am clearly seeing the dynamic of a t-square type of situation (though not aspect).

My family life (nuclear, not my boyfriend) is off the charts chaos. My dad stopped speaking to me and I to him last year. His health is extremely bad and he was severely depressed at the time that I stopped speaking with him.

My mother's health is terrible and she's been fighting an unending law suit with her employer's over them wrongfully denying her L&I for an injury she sustained at work that has left her bed ridden. She's barely making ends meet.

My brother's psychosis has gotten worse and my Mom and I are trying desperately hard to get him into a home (he currently lives under a bridge) but neither of us has the money to do so.

While my relationship with my boyfriend is fine, we are STILL stuck in this basement room of this old, broken down, moldy, dusty house. My house mate's dogs (plural) just died and he's super depressed too.

The thing that could make things at least a bit easier to handle or give the feeling of having SOME control would be having the financial ability to move my brother and help pay for my Mom's place so she's not so stressed. I am in what feels like a power struggle with my work trying to get paid what I'm worth and that's going so well, its not going at all. They've canceled three meetings.

I spent last Friday night searching for my brother with my boyfriend because he'd sent a suicide note to my mom. He's alive and 'okay' but hardly well. My heart breaks to see him and I feel so helpless and angry.

I said in another post recently that I'd been feeling very peaceful like I was at the bottom of a deep, dark pool or lake. The complete absence of any intrusion whatsoever was beautiful, but I was beginning to feel like someone was throwing rocks into the water from the shore and that at some point, I'd have to rise up from my peace and deal with it. Well, I've arisen and now I just want to go lay down and cry until I can't anymore. I swear I can't win for trying.

Amazon1963 said :
QUOTE: "this is from early notes I made on transits:

Pluto: Pluto symbolises complete change and transformation ~ not suddenly like Uranus but slowly, profoundly and with a focus on the very depths of our beings. It brings strength and intensity to whichever area of our lives it touches. Pluto transits question the central tenets on which we have built our existence and why we behave in the ways that we do. They bring hidden psychological baggage to the surface ~ allowing us to review and to rebuild matters from a fundamental standpoint. Outmoded yet deeply conditioned psychological and emotional responses are frequently notable candidates for such." End Quote

Amazon1963 ..... that is the most eloquent and accurate description of Pluto that I have ever read ! I am in total agreement with your brilliant assessment .

The implication is that Pluto represents one facet of an amazing and benevolent intelligence that guides us towards a 'wholeness' that is not fully comprehensible by the psyche that is in need of Pluto's ultimate goal..... dynamic evolution !

Pluto is 'the ruler of the underworld' . . . . . and works within the deepest recesses of 'the unconscious' , or that part of us which is yet not visible to our normal waking-consciousness.
Pluto 'introduces' us to our dysfunctional patterns and, typically, leaves us without any viable choice but 'surrender' to the processes that will 'houseclean' and regenerate the deepest levels of our psyche.

Pluto 'handles' (opinion) what remains (corruptions) when we ignore the 'lessons of Saturn'.

Pluto guides us to 'liberation' . . . by releasing us, via destruction, from the antiquated mental and emotional patterns (within) that we have neglected and which caused us to be in a relative state of 'dormancy'.

Pluto 'delivers us' to our 'higher self' . . . . which is an eternal creative consciousness that (who) has its existence outside of the illusory boundaries of space and time.

Pluto is like Michelangelo's hammer . . . creating an elegant masterpiece out of an otherwise inert 'rock'.

My 'conclusion' , from my Pluto-activities observations , is that the otherwise invisible power behind all astrological phenomena is a massive benevolence that guides us to the realization of who we really-are . . . without Pluto we could remain 'lost' forever.

This is all so amazing !
Best regards,
Ion

Agree 110% with ION about the quote. Very well expressed.
Munch, agreed you have pluto working hard on you, your relationships, your home environment and career. You're trying to get money for yourself, for your mom, for your brother (for a home), rebelling against your father. Pluto is obviously working on your sense of responsibility by squaring your saturn. Start working out who and what you are responsible for in life. You say in essence that the missing piece is money so that you could solve everyone else's problems. Look deeper into this. Also, your relationship with authority is being tested apparently by working out your relationship with your father. The power struggle at work is also pluto pushing you, so you are trying to force your employer to see and do something your way. Lots of power struggles. You want to transform your own home that you're not happy with, how about starting there? If you are ok and in peace you can also help others more easily. Remember, you are in your situation for a reason, but in the same way the others are in their situations for their own reasons, which they have to work out. They might not necessarily appreciate or accept your imposing your solutions on them. Excuse me if this seems rough, but you have work to do, and pluto is helping to point it out to you. Good luck, and hook onto other, positive aspects in your chart to help you ride through it, without necessarily escaping to the bottom of the pool.

Venus rules my chart - plus my 6H. I just finished T Pluto opposing N Sun and N Mars - and I'm SO glad it's over! I have a little break from pluto now, then the last of pluto transits/progressions/solar arc aspects in 2014/2015 and I'm DONE... Thoughts? thanks.

Prog Venus conjunct Pluto
T Pluto opposing N Venus (in 2014, just before the Progressed aspects are exact - see the attached chart)

Prog IC conjunct Mars

SA Pluto squares Moon/MC
SA N Node conjunct IC

Tr Jupiter in 4H

I agree with ElenaJ about what she says to Munch. When I read Munch's post I could really feel her suffering. But I couldnt help but thinking about how responsible she feels for everyone else. The break with her Dad and her brother's issues are no doubt stressful but you can bring a horse to water etc etc. I believe she could still help her mother, but I have an intuitive feeling that the mother's situation will change on its own for the better. You can't SAVE everyone, and when they give you instructions for the oxygen masks on a plane they tell you to place it on yourself first before putting it on children or helping anyone else. Its the same here. Sometimes when you are down so low, you stay there because at least you know that. Getting up can be terrifying whether you consciously realize it or not. Leaving the family alone to sort it out for themselves is like rehab from a very addictive drug. Perhaps looking for a different job might be better use of her energy, take a vacation from other peoples issues and focus on her own. She needs to have a talk with her bf and discuss changes to their living situation. Perhaps painting the place , doing a smuding etc. It could bring unexpected energy in that could begin the process of change. Maybe white, a blank slate, an open palette for possibilities. There are free things that can be done to instigate change. Perhaps instant drawing or writing, might give the subconscious an opportunity to speak & help her become more aware of what Munch's own needs are that are not so obvious and quite possibly at the bottom of all this. It will be interesting to see the changes that might come from a dialog with the subconscious. Paying close attentions to dreams & their symbolism. Maybe even reading up on Carl Jung or Joseph Campbell's the Power of Myth.

I hope that your situation improves Munch~ much Love to you

Thank you everyone for your kind and wise words.

The thing is though, I HAVE taken a break from my families issues. I'm finally stepping up to try to deal with them.

My father, I stopped talking to because he's an abusive jerk that never has anything nice to say to put it simply. Deciding to rid myself of his obnoxious and self involved BS is definitely putting down his issues. Of course, that also means that I feel very guilty for leaving him to his own devices. No matter what he's done or how he has acted, he's still my dad and knowing the he suffers even a little hurts me a lot.

As for my brother, he has no other advocates or anyone to help him. It's just me and mom and she lives in a different state with her own issues. Maybe I should let it go, but if he dies or takes his own life as he's threatening and has attempted, I couldn't forgive myself. His situation is not his fault by any stretch of the imagination and leaving him to his own devices hardly seems the loving thing to do. Still, I'll think on it.

As for my mom, I'm only stressed about her situation because of the stress my brother's situation places on her. She is bed ridden and making no money. How is she supposed to help? Once again, it doesn't seem to be the loving thing to just say, 'Oh well. That's her deal.' This is the woman who has been Mom in every sense of the word since the bio mom skipped out when I was three months old. It seems highly cruel, unkind, thoughtless and selfish to leave her in this mess alone.

As for my boyfriend and I, neither of us is making enough to move. We've looked and looked and there just isn't anything within our budget and no new money forthcoming. We are stuck.

Finally, in regards to the work situation. I definitely agree that I was trying to force work to bend to my will a bit. We had a nice sit down today (that yes, I insisted on) to clear things up. Basically, I'm right where I was going into the conversation, but we are all a lot more clear on what is expected going both ways, so there is that.

Rubyelixir says a lot of important things to you Munch.
I would add, try to get professional help for your brother. It doesn't sound like a situation you can solve. Especially if he is suicidal he needs close care. What would you feel like if, after all you tried to do, he just went off the edge one day when you weren't there? No, it's not your responsibility, and he needs someone prepared to handle a serious case like his. He should be in an institution until he can face up to life. I'll be thinking about you. Good luck.

You are exactly right. He should be under supervision, which if you notice I said is exactly what we are trying to do. It's not a matter of him facing up to the world.

He's dealing with paranoid schitzophrenia and depression. Trust me, 'facing up to the world' is a tall order.

I know I probably sound defensive, and God knows I am when it comes to my brother, but unless you can tell me that you have successfully dealt with this kind of situation, I just don't feel good about the concept of him not being my responsibility. I believe in freedom to do what I want with my life, but I also believe that there is some measure of responsibility to those around us. Most especially, those that don't have much of a voice.

He's been in and out of treatment, been on too many medications for the last 14 years. There is nothing he hasn't tried here where we currently live. That is why there is such a push to get him relocated to a new set of specialist that my mom already has a relationship with and that are willing to try new treatment options.

I understand your dilemma Munch, I wish there was more help. I also understand why you would be defensive. Your heart and feeling of responsibility is in the right place. All I know is nothing stays the same and perhaps you are being prepped for a bigger purpose , something you never could have done unless you walked through the fire. All you can do is take a deep breath and move forward.

About all I know is nothing stays the same too.

I know it will pass and am in fact doing pretty okay again. I think sometimes I forget that I've actually been living through one unending Pluto transit. When it smacks me, it's always shocking and then it's like it goes back to SNAFU (situation normal all f*d up) and I can deal.

good girl Munch . kick some ***!

good girl Munch . kick some ***!

Hi,

I don't like Pluto in my 4th.
Pluto was entering may fourth house in 2001; I have in my forth house Neptune and Venus ( virgo Asc).
My both parents died (2 years difference between the two).
I moved my house 9 times in 11 years ( after 2001).
After the last hit of Pluto on Venus, my mom died and in waning aspect just after that, I broke up my relationship.