piercethevale
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Greetings.
What I've gathered and how it relates to the natal chart I declare to be the true natal chart of the USA is absolutely staggering in amount of the aspects, the movement of the all astro-influences of account some weeks prior and right up to the declaration of war on Japan on Dec. 8, 1941 @ 4:10 EST.
So much in fact that I'm just going to post 2 or 3 charts of a note some weeks before and the event chart ..make note of all astro-events of influence that I perceive and have discerned as note worthy and let you members digest them for awhile ...then we'll see whose ready to make some analyses and or observations of note themselves.
[Please note that I did proof read it twice before posting but that doesn't guarantee that I did record and note all data 100% accurately...watch for discrepancies and please make a note of any and point them out to me ...I will correct them {If any exist} asap in the next 24hrs. Also, I had wanted to use astrodienst for the cross checking the accuracy of Michelsen's book but was unable to do so this eve as astrodienst was unavailable for some reason..I do intend to do so..but figure that Michelsen is close enough for initial use...it served me well the 18 years I used it prior to my awareness of the availability of the online ephemeris at astrodienst.]
[Please see my thread here for the natal chart of the USA that I mention, it is attached to post #3
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=48016 ]
According to my 20th Century Ephemeris by Neil F. Michelsen,
Mars went retrograde @ 23* Aries 43' [The Asc. of the USA natal is 21* Aries 30']
Venus was @ 19* Libra 43' that day conj. the Part of Bankruptcy Jupiter + Neptune - Uranus] for the USA which is 19* Libra 18'.
Jupiter was @ 19* Gemini 40' nearly conj. USA natal Mars @ 20* Gemini 53'
Uranus went retro the day before @ 00* Gemini 21'.
Saturn was @ 28* Taurus 32' conj. the USA natal Part of Hyleg [Asc. + Natal Moon - Full Moon prior to natal] @ 28* Taurus 07'
The Nt. Node that day was @ 22 * Virgo 43" conj USA natal Neptune @ 22* Virgo 24'
Pluto was @ 05* Leo 02' nearly conj. USA natal North Node @ 06* Leo 35' & opposite Part of Eros @ 06* Aqur 25'
[Neptune was @ 26* Virgo 52' ...and nearly conj.{in separation} what I have identified as a point on the Septile Matrix constructed in relation to the Asc. of the USA natal [those of you that don't believ in incomplete matrices and or know little to nothing of Septiles..just disregard this bit of info, thanxs] that 'Septile Matrix point' being apprx 25* Virgo 45']
Mars retrograde conj. USA natal Asc. @ 21* Aries 29' 33" i.e. the 22nd * of Aries
[ and enters the 21st degree of Aries on the 26th, the Sabian Symbol for which is "A Pugilist Enters The Ring"]
Jupiter went retrograde @ 21* Gemini 27' conj. USA natal Mars @ 20* Gemini 53'
N. Node was still in the 23rd* of Virgo @ 22* Virgo 29'
Pluto still in the 6th of Leo @ 05* Leo 38'
Mercury @ 26* Libra 42' conj. USA natal Part of Distress @ 27* Libra 36'
Venus @ 00* Capricorn 01'
Saturn @ 25* Taurus 55' conj. USA natal Part of Innocence [also known as Part of Disputes] @ 25* Taurus 07' and opposite USA natal Part of Fortune @ 25* Scorpio 41'
Uranus @ 28* Taurus 54'
Pluto goes retrograde @ 05* Leo 47' conj. USA natal N.Node @ 06* Leo 35' & opposite Part of Eros 06* Aquar. 25'
Mars goes direct @ 11* Aries 05'
Jupiter @ 19* Gemini 48' conj. USA natal Part of Fraud @ 19* Gemini 23'
N.Node @ 17* Virgo 55' conj. USA natal Part of Spirit/Soul @ 17* Virgo 18'
Sun @ 16* Sag. 24'
Moon @ 12* Leo 05'
Mercury @ 09* Sag. 09'
Venus @ 02 Aquar. 36 approaching conj. with USA natal S.Node @ 06* Aquar. 35' & Part of Eros @ 06* Aquar. 25'
Mars @ 15 Aries 53' Separating conj. USA natal Part of Beneifits & Increa$e @ 14* Aries 37' which had occurred Dec. 4th
Jupiter @ 16* Gemini 22'
Saturn @ 23* Taurus 25'
Uranus @ 27* Taurus 36'
Neptune @ 29* Virgo 43'
Pluto @ 05* Leo 34'
The Part of Fortune for the Event of the Declaration @ 4:10 PM EST was 06* Aquar. 42 conj USA natal S.Node and Part of Eros ...The event M.C. @ 17*Aquar. 07' square the USA natal Part of Catastrophe @ 17* Taurus 44'
Also please note that USA natal Lilith is @ 19* Virgo 24' and was affected heavily during the above time span.
And also note that the USA natal Part of Destiny is 17* Gemini 33' and also was heavily affected during this time span.
There is much to analyze here... I didn't touch upon the asteroids that some of you members like to use/consult nor did I [as I have yet to...] touch upon House placements and such ..but seeing as there is such broad disagreement on Succedent and Cadent Houses I'll leave that to you all to comment on...
This little endeavor of just getting this first post up took me over 4 hours tonight... I started around 11 pm or so and it is now after 4 AM ...
An event chart for the declaration of war attached...you all can do your own for the event at Pearl Harbor the day before... I just thought the Declaration to be more important for study now and probably will have greater contribution to the understanding of the USA's involvement in the War overall.
What I've gathered and how it relates to the natal chart I declare to be the true natal chart of the USA is absolutely staggering in amount of the aspects, the movement of the all astro-influences of account some weeks prior and right up to the declaration of war on Japan on Dec. 8, 1941 @ 4:10 EST.
So much in fact that I'm just going to post 2 or 3 charts of a note some weeks before and the event chart ..make note of all astro-events of influence that I perceive and have discerned as note worthy and let you members digest them for awhile ...then we'll see whose ready to make some analyses and or observations of note themselves.
[Please note that I did proof read it twice before posting but that doesn't guarantee that I did record and note all data 100% accurately...watch for discrepancies and please make a note of any and point them out to me ...I will correct them {If any exist} asap in the next 24hrs. Also, I had wanted to use astrodienst for the cross checking the accuracy of Michelsen's book but was unable to do so this eve as astrodienst was unavailable for some reason..I do intend to do so..but figure that Michelsen is close enough for initial use...it served me well the 18 years I used it prior to my awareness of the availability of the online ephemeris at astrodienst.]
[Please see my thread here for the natal chart of the USA that I mention, it is attached to post #3
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=48016 ]
According to my 20th Century Ephemeris by Neil F. Michelsen,
Sept. 6th 1941
Mars went retrograde @ 23* Aries 43' [The Asc. of the USA natal is 21* Aries 30']
Venus was @ 19* Libra 43' that day conj. the Part of Bankruptcy Jupiter + Neptune - Uranus] for the USA which is 19* Libra 18'.
Jupiter was @ 19* Gemini 40' nearly conj. USA natal Mars @ 20* Gemini 53'
Uranus went retro the day before @ 00* Gemini 21'.
Saturn was @ 28* Taurus 32' conj. the USA natal Part of Hyleg [Asc. + Natal Moon - Full Moon prior to natal] @ 28* Taurus 07'
The Nt. Node that day was @ 22 * Virgo 43" conj USA natal Neptune @ 22* Virgo 24'
Pluto was @ 05* Leo 02' nearly conj. USA natal North Node @ 06* Leo 35' & opposite Part of Eros @ 06* Aqur 25'
[Neptune was @ 26* Virgo 52' ...and nearly conj.{in separation} what I have identified as a point on the Septile Matrix constructed in relation to the Asc. of the USA natal [those of you that don't believ in incomplete matrices and or know little to nothing of Septiles..just disregard this bit of info, thanxs] that 'Septile Matrix point' being apprx 25* Virgo 45']
Sept. 24th, 1941
Mars retrograde conj. USA natal Asc. @ 21* Aries 29' 33" i.e. the 22nd * of Aries
[ and enters the 21st degree of Aries on the 26th, the Sabian Symbol for which is "A Pugilist Enters The Ring"]
October 10th, 1941
Jupiter went retrograde @ 21* Gemini 27' conj. USA natal Mars @ 20* Gemini 53'
N. Node was still in the 23rd* of Virgo @ 22* Virgo 29'
Pluto still in the 6th of Leo @ 05* Leo 38'
Nov. 6th, 1941
Mercury @ 26* Libra 42' conj. USA natal Part of Distress @ 27* Libra 36'
Venus @ 00* Capricorn 01'
Saturn @ 25* Taurus 55' conj. USA natal Part of Innocence [also known as Part of Disputes] @ 25* Taurus 07' and opposite USA natal Part of Fortune @ 25* Scorpio 41'
Uranus @ 28* Taurus 54'
Pluto goes retrograde @ 05* Leo 47' conj. USA natal N.Node @ 06* Leo 35' & opposite Part of Eros 06* Aquar. 25'
Nov. 10, 1941
Mars goes direct @ 11* Aries 05'
Jupiter @ 19* Gemini 48' conj. USA natal Part of Fraud @ 19* Gemini 23'
USA Declares War on Japan
Dec 8th, 1941 @ 3:10 EST
N.Node @ 17* Virgo 55' conj. USA natal Part of Spirit/Soul @ 17* Virgo 18'
Sun @ 16* Sag. 24'
Moon @ 12* Leo 05'
Mercury @ 09* Sag. 09'
Venus @ 02 Aquar. 36 approaching conj. with USA natal S.Node @ 06* Aquar. 35' & Part of Eros @ 06* Aquar. 25'
Mars @ 15 Aries 53' Separating conj. USA natal Part of Beneifits & Increa$e @ 14* Aries 37' which had occurred Dec. 4th
Jupiter @ 16* Gemini 22'
Saturn @ 23* Taurus 25'
Uranus @ 27* Taurus 36'
Neptune @ 29* Virgo 43'
Pluto @ 05* Leo 34'
The Part of Fortune for the Event of the Declaration @ 4:10 PM EST was 06* Aquar. 42 conj USA natal S.Node and Part of Eros ...The event M.C. @ 17*Aquar. 07' square the USA natal Part of Catastrophe @ 17* Taurus 44'
Also please note that USA natal Lilith is @ 19* Virgo 24' and was affected heavily during the above time span.
And also note that the USA natal Part of Destiny is 17* Gemini 33' and also was heavily affected during this time span.
There is much to analyze here... I didn't touch upon the asteroids that some of you members like to use/consult nor did I [as I have yet to...] touch upon House placements and such ..but seeing as there is such broad disagreement on Succedent and Cadent Houses I'll leave that to you all to comment on...
This little endeavor of just getting this first post up took me over 4 hours tonight... I started around 11 pm or so and it is now after 4 AM ...
An event chart for the declaration of war attached...you all can do your own for the event at Pearl Harbor the day before... I just thought the Declaration to be more important for study now and probably will have greater contribution to the understanding of the USA's involvement in the War overall.
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