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JUPITERASC

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What was Disney thinking? :unsure:

Anyway, there's an ancient religious connection involved with a planet named P!uto and the Sign called Scorpio.

The ancient Babylonians pictured the constellation of the Scorpion with ancient Egypt in mind.

And, the most important god of Egypt was Osirus, transformed by the Hellenists
into their god of the Underworld, Pluto.
The Romans originally had their own name for the god, "Dis Pater", but

later changed it to Pluto. Pluto and Apollo are the only Greek deities

I know of with the same exact name in Latin as in the Greek.

Hi david starling,

What kind of nonsense is that?

First, it's not "Dis Pater" it's Dyas-piter. There's a difference.

Dyas-piter is Hindi, as in Indian.


Familiar with the Hungarian town Gyula? Google.

Gyula and Dyas have something in common linguistically.

The "gy" in Magyar and the "dy" in Hindi

are the same sound phonetically as "dj" in Slavic languages.

The "dj" and "gy" and "dy" sounds are the same phonetically

as the pronunciation of "j" in English "judges" or "Jupiter."

Get it?

Dyas-piter equates to Jupiter.

The word "Dis Pater" is a very good example

of a poor and disturbingly bad transliteration

(which is why there is more than 100 spellings
of the name of the former Libyan head-of-State Ghaddafi

by stupid idiotic journalists who are clueless about transliteration).

Roman Jupiter equates to Greek Zeus.

You're pronouncing "Zeus" wrong.

The "z" in ancient Greek

is equivalent to "dj" in Slavic and "gy" in Magyar and "dy" in Hindi
and the "j" in English "judges" and "Jupiter."
Thus....the correct English transliteration of the ancient Greek Zeus is Jeus.

It's called a "fricative shift." See Grimm's Law.

To which "Babylonians" are you referring?

There are three totally different "Babylonians."

The, um, "Babylonians" who gained power circa 1830 BCE were Amorites.

I assure you they knew nothing of Magan (Egypt).

About 3 centuries later circa 1530 BCE they were overthrown
by the Cassites (the biblical "Kush" in Genesis).

Some "Babylonians" regained control circa 1125 BCE.

They weren't exactly Amorites. Well, some of them were.
Some of them were Akkadian, and Sumerian, some Elamites from Elam,

Mari, Nuzi, Mitanni, some Hurrians.

Suffice to say they were a cosmopolitan group
linked only by the Aramaic language.

They certainly knew where Egypt was, but

not much else about Egypt.

They got overthrown by the Assyrians in 729 BCE, and then
some of the remnants of old Babylon tossed the Assyrians in 612 BCE,

and Chaldean would be more historically accurate than Babylonian
(and then the Chaldeans were tossed by the Medo-Persians in 529 BCE).

In any event,

none of those "Babylonians" would have had Osiris and ancient Egypt in mind,

especially since the zodiac existed before they existed and was handed down to them.

Your claim that Osiris was "the most important god" is highly subjective,

baseless and without merit.

Name one pharaoh who took the name Osiris?

I can name dozens and dozens of pharaohs who took the names of Ra, On/An/Amen,

Ptah, Thoth, Ankh, Horus, Seth, Dedi and others.

For example, Dedumoses means "emanating from Dedi."

If, as you claim, Osiris is "the most important god"
then why didn't any pharaohs take the name of Osiris?

Only a non-Egyptian bereft of any knowledge of Egypt

would claim Osiris was "the most important god."

The Greek god of the underworld was Hades, not Osiris
and certainly not Pluto.

Pluto was the Roman/Latin name for Hades.

Neptune is the Latin name for the Greek Poseidon
.

Your attempt to rewrite history is not going very well.

with reference to ds oft repeated comment

Ouranos, Greek god of the Heavens, was known as

"Caelus" in Latin.

In Hurria in eastern Anatolia the Hurrian god Anus
was originally the cup bearer
for an even older heavenly ruler, Alalus.
After nine years Anus defeated and overthrew his master
dispatching him to under the earth
Similar to Zeus' overthrow of Kronos or his defeat
and casting into Tartaros of the Titans
The sky god Anu aka Anus equates to the Sumerian An/Anu, Ouranos, and Varuna
though there was no Earth consort in this myth.
However, the overthrow of this primordial sky god
closely parallels both the Sumerian and Greek versions :smile:
He took his seat on the throne and had Kumarbis as his cupbearer.
Likewise, after nine years
Kumarbis rebelled and usurped the rule of Anus who fled to the sky.
Kumarbis also bit off and swallowed his phallus
which detail parallels Kronos' castration of Ouranos.

In this act Anus had some revenge
by impregnating Kumarbis with the Storm-god
the god of the Aranzahas (Tigris) river, and Tasmisus.
Anus then hid himself in heaven.
After the Storm-god's 'birth' or regurgitation
this triad plotted to destroy Kumarbis
and, with his other children, succeeded.

Although this part of the Hurrian story diverges somewhat from the Greek
we can still recognize
that this impregnating of Kumarbis

equates to Kronos' swallowing his children

before both finally regurgitating them.



The respective children overthrew both of these gods
of whom the 'Storm-god' was the leader in both myths.
The 'impregnation' of Kumarbis also reflects another theme
recalled in such myths as Zeus' swallowing of his pregnant wife Metis
before 'giving birth' to Athena from his head
- a theme that is otherwise very strange to the other Indo-European peoples.
 

JUPITERASC

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petosiris

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What about learning from the past, and planning for the future, while living in the present?

''For which of you, desiring to build a tower, does not first sit down and count the cost, whether he has enough to complete it? Otherwise, when he has laid a foundation and is not able to finish, all who see it begin to mock him, saying, ‘This man began to build and was not able to finish.’ Or what king, going out to encounter another king in war, will not sit down first and deliberate whether he is able with ten thousand to meet him who comes against him with twenty thousand? And if not, while the other is yet a great way off, he sends a delegation and asks for terms of peace. So therefore, any one of you who does not renounce all that he has cannot be my disciple.'' - Luke 14

''The heart of man plans his way, but the Lord establishes his steps.'' - Proverbs 16
 
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david starling

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7000 Greek warriors led by Spartan king Leonidas gave up all they had to hold off a Persian army of 250,000 soldiers for 7 days, thereby preventing the complete takeover of Greece by the invading Persian empire.
 

JUPITERASC

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We go into the natural world and we plunder it for its resources
We feel entitled to artificially inseminate a cow and steal her baby
even though her cries of anguish are unmistakeable.
Then we take her milk that’s intended for her calf
and we put it in our coffee and our cereal.
We fear the idea of personal change
because we think we need to sacrifice something; to give something up.
But human beings at our best are so creative and inventive
and we can create, develop and implement systems of change
that are beneficial to all sentient beings and the environment :smile:
 
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