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Unread 04-01-2013, 08:22 PM
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Re: Guess the ascendant!

Originally Posted by LoneMars View Post
Thanks jup! I read the article and several others. I see you can compute a time approximately 10 months before you were born in which the moon/Asc correlates to the Asc/moon in your natal chart. That's an amazing astronomical pattern. This could even be the time of conception.

I just don't see how it is a tool for computing the ascendant when the birth time is completely unknown. The article you site states the following:

"It is to be understood that the 273 days referred to in the above table is the normal period of gestation, or nine solar or ten lunar months. This normal period is increased or decreased in accordance with the distance of the Moon from either the Ascendant or Descendant, and "x" is a certain number of days corresponding to this distance obtained by dividing the distance in degrees by thirteen degrees, the latter being the average daily motion of the Moon."

Therefore, you must already know the ascendant in order to compute the correct days of "gestation". Therefore, this could not be a tool for determining birth time within a 24 hour period.
If one practices using the method on numerous charts one realizes that in fact the time of birth may be determined with a 24 hour period simply because the rules INCLUDE assessment of:


These sex or 'critical' degrees confirm the sex of the subject. They are the central points of their respective orbs, which extend both ways to the end of orb.

It will be noticed, therefore, that when one degree of a certain sign is in one sex, the opposite sign and degree are in the opposite sex. Hence all that is necessary in order to place one of the factors in the proper sex position is to vary the count by fourteen days, making the period of gestation either shorter or longer, which will bring the proper ascending degree...”


“Application of sex/'critical' degrees:

'Allow proper orb of influence for Moon and Ascendant in natal chart. This immediately shows whether masculine or feminine degree rises, also the sex position of the Moon. Notice no matter what degree the Ascendant is, it will always occupy a position within orb of one of these sex points, either masculine or feminine; BUT Moon's position may fall outside the orb of influence, and this gives what is termed a negative position of the Moon. If the Moon is negative in the birth chart, we have EITHER a strictly regular OR an irregular Epoch...”...'

Originally Posted by LoneMars View Post
Again, please explain if I am misunderstanding. Are the days of gestation not determined by the distance of the moon from the ascendant in the birth chart? Would you not need a birth time to make this calculation?

It seems to me that this is an astronomical pattern that would hold true for any date/time. It's fascinating, and may or may not show a correlation to conception. I'll have to explore it more at some point. Thank you!
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