Hey Moog:
Yeah. The night houses are, of course, the houses the Sun passes through at night, and the night houses are those oriented toward Self (procession of the equinox). The opposite is the situation for the other houses. Does that answer your question?
See ya,
C.
The inner/outer, north/south split doesn't work.
I don't think the qualities you've assigned to day/night houses make sense in a lot of cases. Some they do.
The 5th house is night; subjective; private.
It's not really, is it?
Neither the 6th, or 3rd.
12th is group oriented? How so? 8th? Doesn't make sense to me. The 8th is objective? In what way?
These labels just don't make sense when applied in groups to clusters of houses simply because they share a hemisphere of the chart.
IF the 5th house is 'a night house' then how is it the alleged 'natural house of the sun' when the sun is clearly related to daytime? The blazing sun lighting up the entire sky and obscuring all else therein is scarcely private IMO. Just curiousYeah! I see what your are saying, and I suppose it seems counter-intuitive to think of, say, the 5th house has subjective or private. (It is a night house, obviously.)
IF the 5th house is 'a night house' then how is it the alleged 'natural house of the sun' when the sun is clearly related to daytime? The blazing sun lighting up the entire sky and obscuring all else therein is scarcely private IMO. Just curious
I'm assuming you have no answer then to that 'good question' Cypocryphy ... btw the question I asked relates specifically solely to 'Modern Astrology' because in ancient times, including the time of Ancient Greeks such as Vettius Valens there was a different form of reasoningThat's a good question, JupiterAsc.
These are dilineations ascribed by medieval astrologers and their predecessors, for example, the Greeks. So why do you think the Greeks ascribed the Sun to Leo when the Sun has set and is projecting its beems at the opposite end of the Earth? What do you think their reasoning was?
Perhaps it was due to the Sun's rulership being that of Leo, the fifth sign, not necessarily the fifth house. That's my belief.
But I'll let you contemplate it, and then maybe you can discover the reason for the association . . . a tip of the hat to the Greeks, so to speak, and their socratic method.
Personally, I prefer to go with the Thema Mundi for house associations, as well as understanding why the planets were allocated to which signs.
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52099
I'm assuming you have no answer then to that 'good question' Cypocryphy ... btw the question I asked relates specifically solely to 'Modern Astrology' because in ancient times, including the time of Ancient Greeks such as Vettius Valens there was a different form of reasoning
Completely different from the 'Modern' reasoning that apparently 'connects' Sun to 5th house as 'natural ruler'
You are of course entitled to your opinion on this matter
Are you trying to play an "I gotchya" game with me? The planets are primarily associated with signs, not houses.
Gladly. How long have you got?Hey. You've got to share now! What was the Ancient Greeks reasoning?
It appears that the Thema Mundi is an Hellenistic astrological teaching aid
Eric Francis notes: “Thema Mundi is the chart that truly is one of the ancient keys to astrology. Keys lead to doors and doors lead to different places... this is the beginning of an adventure”. And fwiw, IMO tsmall, many astrologers agree with the Thema Mundi placing of Cancer as the 'natural first house' instead of Aries.
An example is the following 97 word extract, sourced from an article viewable at http://planetwavesweekly.com/dadatemp/1832374392.html
QUOTE:
“Cancer, sign of mothering associates with the 1st, house of incarnation, where one comes into tangible form.
Aries is Thema Mundi 10th house of fiery initiative, career, fame, worldly expression. Capricorn does not fit the outgoing initiative required of 10th.
Aries as the natural sign associated with 10th helps us understand Aries Point, which seems closer in meaning to 10th than to Ascendant.
Children are often conceived in 5th house - overlaying the house of passionate sex with the sign of mysteries of birth and death makes sense. A fun romance, can involve you deeper than you planned”
The form of reasoning you have mentioned is not for those who have alternative opinions e.g. for example Hellenistic astrologers and of course, their ancient predecessorsHa ha. Sure. The Joy of the fifth is Venus, I think . . .
Anyway, yeah. I am familiar with the natural rulers of the houses. Their use is very important in chart interpretation, especially when occupied by the luminaries. And the Sun's nature is very much associated with the fifth, but perhaps this contradicting condition of the fifth being a night house, yet the home of the Sun, can be regulated by not taking the meanings literally but taking them for their subjective effect.