What are you learning from COVID?

passiflora said:

CapAquaPis those numbers make no sense. How do you get 15% fatality rate in Italy with seroprevalence of 26% amongst 60 million?

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26% out of 60-62 million = 15 million, but the Italian government prefers to go by confirmed positive cases at 225,000 and 31,000 deaths, which is like 12%.

Scientists are constantly bickering on how many of us in the world were truly exposed to SARS-CoV2. They go by 10 select sites in the world where they done some serological studies: Gangelt-Heinsberg, Germany; Stockholm county, Sweden; Bergamo, Italy; Madrid, Spain; London, England, UK; Chelsea, Mass USA; Westchester County and New York City, NY USA; Santa Clara CA USA; Los Angeles county CA USA and already, they can study how many locals in Wuhan, Hubei, China were possibly infected in the first month of Covid-19. The variation of 5-10-15-20-even 25% depending on how many blood samples were studied and how much percentage there was. The entire nation? world? Realistically, 10 million to 40 million Americans and 100 to 120 million people worldwide, since this is a widespread disease, and this means 95% of us who had it (vs. 4.5 million global confirmed cases) without either knowing or assuming this is a cold or a bad flu, which is strange.

* Gangelt-Heinsberg (15% of 500), related to a winter carnival in Feb. and the tri-national German/Dutch/Belgian region has the highest percentage of Covid-19 cases outside Italy and Spain, now in a huge remission as a result of regional lockdowns now lifted.

* Stockholm County (25% of 2,300), that's .01% of 2.3 million residents in Sweden's largest city and capital, the country never had a lockdown, and they are flattening the curve, but 3,500 Swedes out of 35,000 confirmed cases died.

* Bergamo (despite 67-78,000 cases in Lombardy, you had 10,000 in Bergamo province of 1 million people, 10% out of 1000), theory has it a postseason soccer match in Bergamo brought in 40,000 spectators on Feb. 19th, and that's a third of the city's population, in 3 days the Lodi-Codogno area in Lombardy was the first quarantined area in the world outside China, Asia from Covid-19.

* Madrid (theories abound from 33-40% but 10% of 1,000 as well), believed to originated from Europe's largest Int'l women's day march, had 250,000 participants alone. Globally, the majority of these demonstrations had to be cancelled when more of the world knew about Covid-19 has appeared in their cities and countries, but Spanish government officials only banned all gatherings after March 7th.

* London (5% of 300), theories abound that 5% of England and 1 million Britons outside England are exposed, part of UK PM Boris Johnson's "herd immunity" experiment that led to a delayed lockdown when he's informed it's too risky, but he made a stay-at-home order for the elderly over age 65 and warned anyone with an underlying health condition to not venture out as well.

* Chelsea (25% of 1,000 in this suburb of Boston), scientific researchers also used city wastewater to examine how many locals currently have coronavirus in early May, the Boston area cluster is linked to a BioGen medical conference in March, part of the majority of the US' now 1.4 million Covid-19 cases in the Northeastern Corridor from Boston to NYC to Philadelphia to Washington DC.

* New Rochelle (15% of 500), esp. in a hospital maternity ward where 1 out of 8 patients were tested positive out of 500: 95% of pregnant women who were positive entering to deliver babies were asymptomatic, but 5% were showing mild symptoms, oddly this is a high risk group when their immunity is changed during their pregnancies, there could be other factors they have in NYC area, or it's long theorized the majority of women have stronger immunity than men.

* Santa Clara (5% of 3,300), thought to have the very first detected (and later discovered) cases of Covid-19 in CA and the USA in Jan-Feb. The possibility of 80,000 in Santa Clara valley (not counting San Jose with its 1 million people) were exposed, that's 5-85 times higher than the county's total confirmed cases (currently 2,400) - Santa Clara itself may had 800 then.

* Los Angeles County (5% of 1,000), up to half a million out of 10-12 million locals could have antibodies from SARS-CoV-2 exposure before the first state lockdown might broken the transmission chain to a considerably low level now.

* And finally, Wuhan: 85,000 confirmed cases in all of China, however there were models shown 75,000 locals in Wuhan before the lockdown on Jan. 23 had coronavirus, and could passed it on to more people, maybe up to 1 million, and this is a good reason the Chinese government set up an example of lockdowns based on the highly contagious nature of the disease related to SARS-CoV-1.

leomoon said:

It has bothered me for the past few days, that in hearing of China's hacking into the Gilead or other Pharma companies who are developing vaccines, is not information freely given worldwide in a Pandemic.


WHY do very wealthy CEOs who call the shots in those companies have to profit so enormously over a vaccine which comes perhaps only a few times in their lifetime (i.e. the cure for a safety net of deaths)?


Why can't we share in a more humanitarian way, the "secret ingredients" if thats what it is, i.e. the science of a Pandemic vaccine which will aid all of mankind?


Iran and China are both desperately trying to hack into these answers.





I don't think the founder of the Polio Vaccine, Dr. Jonas Salk, chose to use that incredible find to squeeze as many U.S. dollars as possible from this cure?


I know as children in the early 50s, all schoolchildren stood in line 3 times, for the Polio vaccine, the booster shots, until a sugar version came out a few years later.


Is there another reason the United States does not want to share with the world's citizens other then pure Greed? If so, I'll probably consider it and feel better about it.







His mentor told him, "**** it, Salk, why don't you do things the way everybody else does them?"



https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Salk,_Jonas


CASE IN POINT:


6. Salk did not patent his vaccine.


On April 12, 1955, the day the Salk vaccine was declared “safe, effective and potent,” legendary CBS newsman Edward R. Morrow interviewed its creator and asked who owned the patent. “Well, the people, I would say,” said Salk in light of the millions of charitable donations raised by the March of Dimes that funded the vaccine’s research and field testing. “There is no patent. Could you patent the sun?” Lawyers for the foundation had investigated the possibility of patenting the vaccine but did not pursue it, in part because of Salk’s reluctance.


https://www.history.com/news/8-things-you-may-not-know-about-jonas-salk-and-the-polio-vaccine

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In the 1940s-50s, the process to develop a vaccine was 6-8 years, then in the 1960s to develop the Mumps and Rubella vaccines, it took 4 years which is a lot faster than before, now 18 months and more is the usual time to develop (and approve) any new vaccine.

Here are 3 more countries having major issues containing the pandemic:
Saudi Arabia is one of the top 22 nations hard hit by Covid-19 and some of their clerics are blaming Israel or Iran, their adversaries for developing a "bio-weapon" or some conspiracy theory "against our country". I've read Ecuador is hard hit with thousands of dead bodies all over Guayaquil, the epicenter of the pandemic in Latin America. And the most affected European nation due to its refusal to lock down is Belarus, a landlocked nation with a soviet-style regime and worsened ties with Russia (despite their leader Alexander Lukashenko was an ally to Vladimir Putin) and its other neighbors, they seem to allow schools to remain open and soccer games to have (yet a declining number of) stadium spectators.

And yes, I heard about China's not wanting the US to develop a Covid-19 vaccine, it's going to worsen diplomatic relations between the 2 countries. The vaccine has to work in all 3 known strains of Covid-19 and be aware of any future mutations viruses normally have.

Iran has supervised about 2 million people out of 22 million Iranians they analyzed over the 3 months of dealing with the pandemic. They are in a state of recovery with less and less daily new cases and life seems to be reopening slowly with caution. But, for their government to view the Saudis, Israel or the USA as a source of "bioweaponry" against Iran, is going to make things worse between the two, the worst in 40 years of strained US-Iranian relations.

Parans are the oldest of all astrology.
I thought i would add Brady Mundane fixed star Parans. bought on disc in 2004, therefore information hasn't been changed.
The Coronavirus was first reported on 31st December 2019 regarding new cases in Wahan or Wuchang in China, link below:-
https://www.who.int/docs/default-so...ation-reports/20200121-sitrep-1-2019-ncov.pdf
I'm an archaeoastronomer, so sit on the fence regarding astrology reports, but have a number of astrology and astronomy programs, i thought that report below would interest on private members download:-

The world population is 7.6 billion.

Every year 2% of the population gets the flu. That is 152,000,000 people contract it every year worldwide with the present per capital.

Every year .02% of the population die from the flu. That is 1,520,000 people die of the flu with the present per capita.

We will have to wait and see, if the numbers this year differ.

Monk said:

Parans are the oldest of all astrology.
I thought i would add Brady Mundane fixed star Parans. bought on disc in 2004, therefore information hasn't been changed.
The Coronavirus was first reported on 31st December 2019 regarding new cases in Wahan or Wuchang in China, link below:-
https://www.who.int/docs/default-so...ation-reports/20200121-sitrep-1-2019-ncov.pdf
I'm an archaeoastronomer, so sit on the fence regarding astrology reports, but have a number of astrology and astronomy programs, i thought that report below would interest on private members download:-

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Her readings she assigned are quite accurate.

April 16, 2020 COVID-19: How Big Pharma and Big Philanthropy Consume the World

Under capitalism, disease is an immensely profitable industry, and huge pharmaceutical corporations excel at extracting enormous amounts of wealth from our public health. Of course, big pharma would have us believe that without their investments in scientific research, millions of people would not benefit from the dizzying array of drugs they sell us, but the truth is far less savoury. This is because instead of reinvesting their huge profit margins in cutting-edge research, the powerful corporations that dominate the medical landscape prefer to let fledgling scientific enterprises take all the risks to push research agendas forward.

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Human life is secondary to the pursuit of profits. This is why the chaos of the free market must be superseded by a more scientific system of planning – a socialist system, where drugs are produced to meet the needs of the mass of humanity. Pills for greed must be replaced by pills for need.


Pandemic Profiteering
US-based Gilead Sciences is a good as a place to start as any, a powerful member of the big pharma community closely associated with Donald Rumsfeld and the former Secretary of State George Shultz — a corporation that is most famous for its profiteering from Tamiflu and desire to undermine scientific efforts to submit their research on this antiviral treatment to democratic scrutiny.


Aghast at such profiteering Médecins Sans Frontières state: “Cepheid just announced they will charge US$19.80 per test in developing countries, including the world’s poorest countries where people live on less than two dollars per day. MSF and others’ research on Cepheid’s TB test (which uses a similar test cartridge for TB for which the corporation charges $10 in developing countries), shows that the cost of goods, including manufacturing, overhead, and other expenses, for each cartridge is as low as $3, and therefore each test could be sold at a profit for $5.” (“MSF calls for no patents or profiteering on COVID-19 drugs and vaccines,” March 27)


https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/0...harma-and-big-philanthropy-consume-the-world/


note: I recall when Donald Rumsfeld one of the architects of the Iraq invasion, BRAGGED on TV about making a fortune from Tami-Flu once it was okayed by the FDA. .....That must have been around 2003.

6 major cities in Spain had a large-scale serological study of Covid-19 antibody immunity and they find a possible 5% of Spaniards (2.5 million out of 49-50 million) were exposed to SARS-CoV-2, totally debunks the higher percentage theory (herd immunity can develop in a society if 50-60% were exposed and it can make an infectious disease technically vanish from the society), unless this is only in urban areas where 10-15% ranges are found out of 1,000 people in Madrid and 5 select sites, but Madrid is also a region not just the city proper.

The heaviest affected region in Spain is...Leon (it's sun sign Leo), again many astrologers theorized the risk of pandemics in Leo-ruled places like Lombardy, Grand-Est (France) but it could extend through historic Burgundy (the cities of Laon and Lyon), Bavaria and southern England in their histories. Much of the Leon region has a "checkerboard" of areas that reopened and others still are high risk "red zones". Leo is ruling sign of the entire Castille-La Manche region.

And the sabian symbol 3' Leo is about a plague, oddly my rising or ascendant point 17' Cancer is between 1' Cancer about a cruise ship. My natal chart warned me about my 40th birthday cruise trip in Feb., then by what serological studies in Covid-19 hot spots are telling us how many people in those select sites could been carriers of a virus and spread it around before they were put into lockdown, thus to save lives and flattened the curve in local hospitals' ICUs. Only an antibody examination can determine you had SARS-CoV-2.

I am learning that even one of the worst pandemics - has not taught some people anything - even in 2020 - and does not seem to deter them from their highly poisonous, deeply ingrained feelings of supremacy of self as opposed to others. In my eyes, certain areas of the world that have always touted themselves as being civilised actually never have proven to be really civilised - their actions repeatedly have proven that over centuries and still continue to prove that. Perhaps the meaning of being 'civilised' itself is highly misunderstood by most and is thought of as a synonym for material well-being. You see if the walls of a house are ridden with mould, you might have the financial means to continually repaint them, but the mould will eventually find a way to permeate through and further weaken the foundation of the house. No amount of repainting to cosmetically fix the problem and make the house superficially 'look good' will resolve the problem.

A friend sent me this article, which makes an interesting and informative read, and shows us how far we have come in 100 years (have we actually?). However, I think for the less evolved minds that are unable, even fear for the sake of their own identity, to come out of their cocoon of being something special as opposed to someone else, seeing the light of day that actually they are much lower on the evolution scale is not an easy pill to swallow. How can it be when you have spent your life perceiving yourself on a higher pedestal and looking down on those around you that look differently, or speak differently, and then you have to accept that you are actually not an iota different as a human being. After all, you would face a complete identity crisis, so defending (and thereby condoning) such actions, as in the Floyd case and many before his and many to come) is the only way you can firstly maintain the supremacy facade and also not have to accept that all you believed in to date was simply abominable. One thing that doesn't come easy to a less evolved being with some power in their hand (not just political, even a false sense of supremacy is felt as power) is to accept that what they believed in all along was wrong and a big lie. After all, that shatters their sense of (false) identity and that can wreak havoc within a person.

Large communities of migrant workers living in cramped small quarters in a few nations like Singapore (third wave) and Qatar (over 1% of the nation infected, the world's highest per capita) easily spread COVID-19 in the nations. There is a high number of nursing homes, prisons, meatpacking plants and Indian reservations, and least not forget hospitals (accidental spread to staffers and other patients) are especially high in COVID-19. It's well known low-income, Black and Latino communities are the hardest hit, esp. farm towns and inner-city neighborhoods.

And keep an eye on sub-Saharan Africa, the underdeveloped world is used to epidemics and have substandard medical care systems, let's see how much infections are expected, but tend to have lower death tolls, either it's from the majority are younger in age or theories about the TB vaccine widely used in Sub-Saharan Africa could be beneficial in recoveries. SARS-CoV-2 like human coronaviruses are most active in winter season (cold and dry climates), but it can appear any time of the year, similar to the common cold and influenzas.

Currently, 6.5 million confirmed cases and 100 million possible exposed people in the world, since the first COVID-19 case in Wuhan, China: the country has 85k cases, after they found 300 asymptomatic cases out of 11 million people in 10 days of testing the whole city, they say the second wave will be contained.

Rank, country, confirmed and probable cases, possible exposed and deaths)
1. USA (1.8k+40 million and 108,600) - the majority of cases in Northeast US like NY and 10 other states and DC, esp New York City and metro area with Westchester county (over 3% infected) with nearby counties of NJ and CT.
2. Brazil (585k+2 million and 32,600 with possible 280,000 unaccounted) - Latin America is now the epicenter of the pandemic, southern states usually have lockdowns and their governors clash with president Jair Bolsanaro over the severity of infection spread, June-Sep. is the southern hemisphere winter.
3. Russia (433k+1.1 million and 5,200) - a very large country, over half in the Moscow area and mainly on the Chinese border and European part of Russia.
4. The UK (280k+3.5 million and 40,000) - Europe's most affected nation.
5. Spain (240k with 57k serological+2 million and 28,000 with 12,000 more unaccounted) - The number of untested mild and asymptomatic could make up 1% of the Spanish population, the most affected major nation in the pandemic.
6. Italy (233k+6 million and 33,600) - Heaviest concentrations in northern regions Lombardy, Veneto, Piedmont, Emilia-Romagna and Marche. There could be double the number of untested mild and asymptomatic cases in the country.
7. India (216k+unknown and 6,000) - India is the second most populous nation and there are concerns India is going to be the heaviest affected nation soon.
8. Germany (185k+2 million and 8,700) - Low death toll for a country, in fact German scientists said the actual infection fatality rate is 2% worldwide, but they like every other country go by national number of lab confirmed cases.
9. Peru (178k+unknown and 4,900) - Close ties to East Asia and Southern Europe in Latin America (Pacific coast and Southern cone) explains the high infection rate from the pandemic's origin and hotspots in the Andean coasts.
10. Turkey (166k+unknown+4,600) - Low death toll and better medical care systems, sometimes considered a part of Europe along with Eurasian Russia, Europe now has 1.6-2 million cases out of 500 million people in the continent.
11. Iran (160k+2 million+8,000) - One of 2 first non-East Asian nations to had the pandemic intensify in Feb. and Mar., they were slow in recovery while they experienced difficulties in medical care due to US government sanctions.
12. France (152k+2.5 million+29,000) - Less affected than their neighbors, but a more accurate case fatality rate by including nursing homes and quarantined, and the first European cases (Nov-Dec) and fatalities (Jan-Feb) were in France.
13. Chile (113k+250k asymptomatic or untested, they plan to do serological like Spain does+1,300) - Southern and Western hemisphere's highest per capita of Covid-19 cases, almost 1% of the population, more than the US.
14. Mexico (101k+double to 100k+11,800) - Parts of the country like Mexico City and Baja Cal. have overwhelmed hospitals and lack enough testing, some patients and testing of Mexican citizens are in Southern CA border cities.
15. Canada (95k+5% of country at 1 million and 7,500) - The majority of cases in Quebec facing NY state, but Nunavut has no cases due to its isolation.
16. Saudi Arabia (91k+unknown+600) - Neighboring Jordan has 500 cases, one of rare example countries in the world in controlling the pandemic so easily.
17. Pakistan (80k+unknown+1,700) - Unlike Taiwan, So Korea, Japan, Vietnam and Mongolia, this neighbor nation of China was affected, East Asian nations along with the Philippines and Thailand better managed COVID-19 spread.
18. BeNeLux of Belgium and Netherlands (58k and 50k respectively+each have 8% of population exposed, and 15,500 and 5,000 respectively) - Europe was the epicenter in March, then it was the US in April, in the pandemic.
19. Sweden (40k+7-10% of population and 5,000) -No national lockdown and socially responsible, yet attempting in "herd immunity", 26% of Stockholm is halfway to this scientific concept of fighting off the new virus, as if younger and healthy people would "spread" among each other, but not in public places.
And 20. Ecuador (40k+0.5-1% of population per capita and 10,000 died) - Mainly in the Guayaquil area, the port town which extends into the equatorial Andes. The heaviest affected Amazonia region of Peru and Brazil is an anomaly in infection rates per capita. It is a tropical, warm and humid climate as well.

Iceland, Montenegro and New Zealand announced they eradicated COVID-19 from the countries, all cases recovered, very low death tolls and mass testing per capita of population (up to 16%, similar to Taiwan, So Korea and Japan).

And the majority of COVID-19 patients recovered or were dismissed in 14-week quarantines and hospitalizations (3.5 million vs. 3.2 million active cases), but 380k deaths or 5% case fatality rate or 0.25% - below 1% out of total 120 million estimated infection rates.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-world-health-organization-hydroxychloroquine

Surgisphere, whose employees appear to include a sci-fi writer and adult content model, provided database behind Lancet and New England Journal of Medicine hydroxychloroquine studies.

Turns out the objections towards hydroxychloroquine came from a pornstar and a nerd, posing as scientists.

How many people did not receive hydroxychloroquine and died because of this? Only because CNN and the democrats wanted to go against what Trump recommended?

IleneK said:

Hydroxichloroquine has not been shown to produce great results because it has not been looked at against control groups with which to compare results.
So there is no way to know if Hydro... is producing good results or if the patient is getting better in their own.

There is also no way to know if it is causing adverse life threatening results when used in conjunction with the z-pak, zythromycin, which clinical testing has demonstrated.

So what we can say with confidence is that we, including the president, don't know.

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passiflora said:

Whatever the immediate reason, it’s because they could exploit publication loopholes. It’s common practice to release only the data you want others to see, not the raw data. As a standard of practice, that permits corruption, if not encouraging it. Equivocal results — well those would reflect a waste of time in a career, no?

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I agree, the statistics, are altered, to prove what whoever is paying for the statistics, want them to prove.

I have read, and heard, repeatedly, that a large number of the reported "covid" cases are not covid at all. Some are undiagnosed. A death certificate is supposed to give the means of the death, not a guess. I have a friend, her father has been ridden with cancer for many years. He got ill and died this year. It was reported as covid. He was never tested for covid. He was emancipated by the cancer and the drugs that he has been on. His death was called covid. His daughter says he died of cancer.

The cold war is a biggest lie on earth. It was never ends and never will. Like I said many times before, it was a man-made virus to hasten the coming of Global Commies with their new papacy in Jerusalem. The whole stay at home ******** doesn't work, hence the ellite makes a tactical change by creating another BLM ******** perpetrated by antifa commies.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/IB3ijQuLkkUr/

SunConjunctUranus said:

The cold war is a biggest lie on earth. It was never ends and never will. Like I said many times before, it was a man-made virus to hasten the coming of Global Commies with their new papacy in Jerusalem. The whole stay at home ******** doesn't work, hence the ellite makes a tactical change by creating another BLM ******** perpetrated by antifa commies.

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Nesara/Gesara Explained
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lH8rZasP_-w

passiflora said:

Nice to see you Opal! Yes it’s downright disrespectful to the dead. I’m not even going to start thinking right now about the ones forced to die terrified and alone because of cruel, unnecessary protocol.
You are in Canada so maybe the mind**** isn’t as intense for you there. But in the US, how do people actually believe that a system that will charge them $1800 for a bandage in some cases, and is further ridden with errors for all kinds of services - errors that are impossible to contest to maximize collections - will suddenly become docile, transparent, and accurate when covid is involved?

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Hi Passiflora, nice to hear you too!

People are messed up here as well. I am fortunate though, I have been doing a lot of work out of the city. Knowing ranchers has it advantages.

Price gouging, is frowned upon and reported and penalized. It is horrible, the way the elderly have been isolated for their own protection. Dying alone with workers that don't have the time to hold your hand or hug you, say they love you. They are busy trying to keep food, on the plate, and keep your *** clean.

Covid is worldwide change. It used to be illegal to cover your identity. Now there is masked bandits everywhere. Scary.

Opal said:

Hi Passiflora, nice to hear you too!

People are messed up here as well. I am fortunate though, I have been doing a lot of work out of the city. Knowing ranchers has it advantages.

Price gouging, is frowned upon and reported and penalized. It is horrible, the way the elderly have been isolated for their own protection. Dying alone with workers that don't have the time to hold your hand or hug you, say they love you. They are busy trying to keep food, on the plate, and keep your *** clean.

Covid is worldwide change. It used to be illegal to cover your identity. Now there is masked bandits everywhere. Scary.

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It's fun walking into the bank looking like Jessie James!

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'There is no absolute truth'

an infectious disease expert on Covid-19, misinformation and *ullshi*
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...xpert-on-covid-19-misinformation-and-********

david starling said:

It's fun walking into the bank looking like Jessie James!

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I keep being asked to use scented sanitizer. Indignant people don’t want to hear that I am not in the mood for anaphylactic shock. Then I went in a store that said sanitize or wash your hands. So I proceeded to wash my hands thoroughly with water. The attendant tapped the soap container, rudely, and said “soap” I washed them some more, ignored her, dried my hands with the rip it yourself paper towel, and went in the garden centre to buy flowers.

Then, I need shoes. “we are asking people to mask up” With asthma and extreme allergies, I despise this. I took the mask. Wore it, pulling it out so that I could breathe. People glare. I don’t have new DVS’s. It was way too hard to get service, and breathe.”

I am thinking I will be saving a lot of money.

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Monk said:

Parans are the oldest of all astrology.
I thought i would add Brady Mundane fixed star Parans
. bought on disc in 2004, therefore information hasn't been changed.
The Coronavirus was first reported on 31st December 2019

regarding new cases in Wahan or Wuchang in China, link below:-
https://www.who.int/docs/default-so...ation-reports/20200121-sitrep-1-2019-ncov.pdf
I'm an archaeoastronomer,
so sit on the fence regarding astrology reports,
but have a number of astrology and astronomy programs,
i thought that report below would interest on private members download:-

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thanks Monk - some info that may be of interest to you
at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lh-HGcXE1Q

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This Is Very Important for The All World!!!!!
VACCINE BILL SB163 & A Little More With Dr. Scott

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hyNdbDwN3c