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Also, I would like for you to point me in the direction of the prostitution research that you are familiar with. I'm curious to see what was said myself.
AJ didn't say prostitution is a moral failing. He said:As to the contention that engaging in prostitution is a moral failing. Interesting. Morality seems to be dependent on the society and the dominant religions that govern them. And there are some that exalt feminine sexuality and sacred prostitution is a thing. Hell, JA's idol comes from a society that has sexual rites encoded in their spiritual practice, but don't tell him that. By some accounts Mary Magdalene was an important figure in early Christianity and she was a prostitute. Was she a moral failure? Jesus didn't seem to think so.
On the other hand, are you saying that someone who wouldn't engage in prostitution under any circumstance won't also be predisposed to murder, lying, cheating, stealing or any other sort of "sin"? I know enough people who wouldn't sell sex but would murder or seriously maim, lie, or other deplorable actions in the name of self-service.
The issue is Venus/Mars not in sect and conjunct. H9 is part of your moral code. The ancients used it to determine how closely one would adhere to the tenants of the gods and the tenants of the gods were more or less moral codes.
Some societies, perhaps, but not the societies you and I and our friend who's been a sex worker live in. We're all in societies where ninth house mores say prostitution = bad.And my point is that prostitution in some societies aren't against the social mores.
And in those societies, sex work would have a very different meaning. And possibly different astrological indicators, who knows? Or maybe the same ones playing out in a different way.Sacred prostitution has and does exist in certain societies.
And if we weren't in the wonderful trad section, I would mention that the planet known to give convention the finger is square said Mercury. And would be located in whole sign 12th.
In trad, doesn't Mercury give convention the finger, at least under some circumstances?
Yeah, he's the one who first started middle fingering everyone. He goes anywhere and becomes anything he wants.
To go back to the OP, he initially suggested a strong Mercury as a factor in celibacy. Celibacy can also be a bird flipped at convention, if the conventional expectation is that you don't leave your teens a virgin and you generally don't abstain from sex as an adult.
Obviously, a strong Mercury does not automatically make people celibate (or sex workers). But does Mercury perhaps play a part?
Hi,
Which planets and aspects are responsible for making a person celibate for a large part of life or the entire life not for spiritual development but to prevent the native from having a sexual life?
I feel a very strong Mercury as the chart ruler or a very dominant planet, very strong Saturn (need not be the chart ruler) and a badly dignified Venus are responsible for a forced celibate life.
I think Mercury alone can cause the damage without help from any other planet.
What do others think?
Thanks
when one takes into account a world population of seven billionHi conspiracy theorist,
Honestly, I'm not seeing anything.
First, the sample isn't statistically valid.
In college our statistics class was required to work with the university policy center
who conducted phone and written polls on a wide variety of topics.
A representative statistical sample for the US is roughly 2,386 people.
166 charts is hardly enough.
for those beginners reading this thread who do not knowSecond, by his own admission,
"...it is difficult to get accurate birth times for this group of people."
Since he doesn't have accurate birth times,
you have to wonder
if he didn't cast the charts in a way
that would support his preconceived ideas.
There's no point in even casting a chart
if you don't have an accurate birth-time.
Certainly if he had added details of non-prostitues with the same chart conditionsThird, he looks only at prostitutes.
In a true representative statistical sample he would need to look at non-prostitutes.
How many people have the same chart conditions he lists but were never prostitutes?
That would be damning evidence against his claim.
I agree - one must consider the chart as a whole - this cannot be too frequently emphasisedFinally, that is not the research I saw.
The data I saw had more than 1,000 charts with verified birth-times, but it didn't really prove anything.
That's why I say you have to look at the chart as a whole.
I have a most devious mind and would make an excellent criminal,
except my chart won't allow it due to the placement of Sun, Moon and Mercury.
I'm sure there are many women whose charts have the "signature" for prostitution,
but if you look at the Ascendant, its ruler, and the placement of Moon and Mercury
you'll find their morals are not corrupt
and maybe even their morals could not be corrupted
so they'd never engage in prostitution regardless of the circumstances.
@AJ
No need to attribute malice or cynicism on the part of the researcher.
A larger sample might ideal, but it is also a costly and resource intensive, and you can count your lucky stars if you find a sponsor with the sufficient money who would invest in a serious astrological study.
As to the contention that engaging in prostitution is a moral failing. Interesting.
On the other hand, are you saying that someone who wouldn't engage in prostitution under any circumstance won't also be predisposed to murder, lying, cheating, stealing or any other sort of "sin"? I know enough people who wouldn't sell sex but would murder or seriously maim, lie, or other deplorable actions in the name of self-service.
I'm sure there are many women whose charts have the "signature" for prostitution, but if you look at the Ascendant, its ruler, and the placement of Moon and Mercury you'll find their morals are not corrupt and maybe even their morals could not be corrupted so they'd never engage in prostitution regardless of the circumstances.
The OPer gives some clues on post #5 as to how he manages, but it is a sensitive subject.
Hmmmm.... AJ, are you sure they were all voluntary?