Cazimi

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
Are both required for a Traditional definition of "cazimi"?
discussed on page one of this thread :smile:
i.e.
Most traditional authors don't mention latitude, and only require longitude.
The Sun is never north or south of the ecliptic, and traditionally
does not miss applications and separations anyways.
perhaps not all
some :smile:




BONATTI prescribes 16’ from the Sun BOTH in longitude AND in latitude :smile:
Bonatti’s rule is astronomically more accurate
 

JUPITERASC

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In that case, cazimi for Mercury requires that Mercury must be nearly at its own node,
which is in the plane of the ecliptic as delineated by the Sun.
Very rare occurrence, then.
The Ecliptic is a great circle on the celestial sphere
representing the sun's apparent path during the year
so called because
lunar and solar eclipses can only occur when the moon crosses the Ecliptic :smile:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecliptic

290px-Ecliptic_with_earth_and_sun_animation.gif

As seen from the orbiting Earth
the Sun appears to move with respect to the fixed stars
and the ecliptic is the yearly path the Sun follows on the celestial sphere.
This process repeats itself in a cycle lasting a little over 365 days.


sphere.jpg
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
When the Moon is cazimi

(according to Bonatti), it's a total eclipse of the Sun.
as stated :smile:

lunar and solar eclipses can only occur when the moon crosses the Ecliptic :smile:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecliptic

290px-Ecliptic_with_earth_and_sun_animation.gif

As seen from the orbiting Earth
the Sun appears to move with respect to the fixed stars
and the ecliptic is the yearly path the Sun follows on the celestial sphere.
This process repeats itself in a cycle lasting a little over 365 days.


sphere.jpg




Strange that when the two Luminaries are together, darkness is the result!
3762c.jpg





lunar-eclipse.jpg
 
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petosiris

Banned
I have two questions:

1. HOW much time (in minutes per year ) Jupiter (or any other planet) cazimi lasts , compared to the time (in minutes per year ) it is exactly conjunct an angle of a chart?


2. how often does a Mercury cazimi in Virgo/Gemini happen vs.

how often does a Venus cazimi happen in Libra/Taurus?


I`m asking about it because both Mercury and Venus cazimi happen only in certain signs, ASAIK.

And an exact conjunction of Sun with an angle is possible in any sign :surprised:

My knowledge and experience is limited, but I`ve seen many charts featuring a planet on an angle, but not many featuring a planet cazimi. :andy:

Depends on what is your definition of ''exactly conjunct''?

Cazimi planets by 16 minute longitude are quite rare, I am one of the blessed children of mother nature. I even have it exactly at IC. :smile:
 
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petosiris

Banned
So, any astronomical reason that cazimi would be more prevalent in some Signs than in others?

This is true mostly for Mercury and Venus, and it has to do with their orbits. Their stations also occur in only similar places for example, Venus is retrograde only in five signs or so in a lifetime, though in some hundred years, they will be different.
 

petosiris

Banned
Another question--retrograde planet camizi versus direct--any important difference in interpretation?

Direct planet is better than a retrograde planet, did you know that mine was direct too? :smile:

Saturn, Jupiter and Mars are always direct in cazimi. They can either be evening additive/direct or morning additive/direct. Cazimi may have originated from the fact that these planets become morning risers there, which is the best phase.
 

david starling

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This is true mostly for Mercury and Venus, and it has to do with their orbits. Their stations also occur in only similar places for example, Venus is retrograde only in five signs or so in a lifetime, though in some hundred years, they will be different.

Are there Signs in which Mercury and Venus CAN'T be cazimi for an astronomical reason? Sounds unlikely.
 
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