panditacharyaji
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Hello Friend,
Please tell me, What's more Accurate Western Astrology or Vedic Astrology...?
Please tell me, What's more Accurate Western Astrology or Vedic Astrology...?
Accurate Western Astrology or Vedic Astrology...?
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Crystalpages
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Panditacharya ji,
Both can be, but when a large sample of predictions is critically examined, as opposed to relying on anecdotes and he said she said type evidence, then neither seems to be! In other words accuracy varies and is highly subject to the astrologer, his state of concentration etc. Please remember that pretty much all astrologers are worldly people and not monks, hermits or saints and so under the astrological indicators in their own lives.
So what then is astrology? I posted this elsewhere but came upon recently, again and so felt it might be worthy of being shared here. Well, here is how I see it:
Astrology, as far as I have surmised is essentially an exercise in 'pattern-identification and matching'.
It is in fact a study of clocks, some might say? There is the human clock, and there is the cosmic clock, both about time, periods, periodicities, correlated realities?
The human time involves birth, living, death, and living involves things such as health, illness, studying, working, friends, enemies, relationships, separations, preferences, dislikes, ambitions, fears, successes, failures, ancestors, progeny, wealth, penury, strengths, weaknesses, emotions, elations, depressions, dreams, imagination, creativity, procrastinations, etc etc...
The cosmic clock seems more rigid, fewer variables (despite variations!), periodic, readily calculated. Months, seasons, years, transits, progressions, of planets and the mostly well-defined attributes thereof.
The astrologer/divinator mentally connects the two clocks using learnt or inherent pattern matching skills and with God's Grace provides directions and recommendations to individuals or nativities as they are called.
Some would say that it is the music of (heavenly?) spheres that is silent, but given a form that human beings can hear and hopefully understand and dance to the rhythm or in some cases against it?
There is a bilingual form that the musicians (astrologers) follow: Tropical astrology developed/revealed in the western hemisphere (and middle earth!) and there is Jyotish/Mahabote/Chinese/etc that was revealed/developed in the eastern hemisphere. Both different just as the classical music (west and east) differs, but both soothe the heart and soul when listening to an accomplished and experienced musician of either school of music! Also true for astrology!!
Regards,
Rohiniranjan
Both can be, but when a large sample of predictions is critically examined, as opposed to relying on anecdotes and he said she said type evidence, then neither seems to be! In other words accuracy varies and is highly subject to the astrologer, his state of concentration etc. Please remember that pretty much all astrologers are worldly people and not monks, hermits or saints and so under the astrological indicators in their own lives.
So what then is astrology? I posted this elsewhere but came upon recently, again and so felt it might be worthy of being shared here. Well, here is how I see it:
Astrology, as far as I have surmised is essentially an exercise in 'pattern-identification and matching'.
It is in fact a study of clocks, some might say? There is the human clock, and there is the cosmic clock, both about time, periods, periodicities, correlated realities?
The human time involves birth, living, death, and living involves things such as health, illness, studying, working, friends, enemies, relationships, separations, preferences, dislikes, ambitions, fears, successes, failures, ancestors, progeny, wealth, penury, strengths, weaknesses, emotions, elations, depressions, dreams, imagination, creativity, procrastinations, etc etc...
The cosmic clock seems more rigid, fewer variables (despite variations!), periodic, readily calculated. Months, seasons, years, transits, progressions, of planets and the mostly well-defined attributes thereof.
The astrologer/divinator mentally connects the two clocks using learnt or inherent pattern matching skills and with God's Grace provides directions and recommendations to individuals or nativities as they are called.
Some would say that it is the music of (heavenly?) spheres that is silent, but given a form that human beings can hear and hopefully understand and dance to the rhythm or in some cases against it?
There is a bilingual form that the musicians (astrologers) follow: Tropical astrology developed/revealed in the western hemisphere (and middle earth!) and there is Jyotish/Mahabote/Chinese/etc that was revealed/developed in the eastern hemisphere. Both different just as the classical music (west and east) differs, but both soothe the heart and soul when listening to an accomplished and experienced musician of either school of music! Also true for astrology!!
Regards,
Rohiniranjan
Crystalpages
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Crystalpages, i think you , in a way provided an explanation of what astrology does.
We have the time and will to learn, we can,step out of this realm of matter and worries and discover that perhaps there is something with a different plan other than just the pleasures and pains that come and go. Allowing us to, in a sense, become almost monk-like and step into the middle area of just existing peacefuly for the moment.
Well..., honestly speaking, you moved far ahead conceptually-speaking than my humble observations and words intended to imply!
You have (as well as the Monk!) gone way beyond astrology, its purposes and its human and cosmic clock-works...!
Rohiniranjan
To make it a bit more confusing for you I might add that there is also the western sidereal approach which has made an attempt to gather lots of data and use a certain kind of "scientific approach" so to speak - although it may be very hard in astrology as there are so many different aspects to look at.
Here is some info if you want to read more about it.
http://www.solunars.com/
http://www.westernsiderealastrology.com/
And then there is also the Magi society who use geometry and also have gathered thousands of cases to work out their approach.
http://www.magiastrology.com/index.php
I might add that there is also the western sidereal approach which has made an attempt to gather lots of data and use a certain kind of "scientific approach" so to speak - although it may be very hard in astrology as there are so many different aspects to look at. Here is some info if you want to read more about it.
http://www.solunars.com/
http://www.westernsiderealastrology.com/
And then there is also the Magi society who use geometry and also have gathered thousands of cases to work out their approach.
http://www.magiastrology.com/index.php
Crystalpages
Well-known member
To make it a bit more confusing for you
Here is some info if you want to read more about it.
http://www.solunars.com/
http://www.westernsiderealastrology.com/
And then there is also the Magi society who use geometry and also have gathered thousands of cases to work out their approach.
http://www.magiastrology.com/index.php
Why confusing? Unless you meant 'richer'?
Then there is the Ebertin/Hamburg system that focuses on mid-points! The more the merrier, I say...!
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Crystalpages
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"If it happens during the day they will say it is because of the sun and if it happens during the night they will say it was because of the moon"
Be safe always
James
Scepticism is very useful, of course!
In Science, it should come early on during learning.
In Divination, it should come late and perhaps stay in a healthy modicum by ones side!
Crystalpages
Well-known member
How about confusing and enriching
The vedic Nakshatras differ from the Sieu, but i am seing the differences and similarities (in which stars or points are used)have yet to delve into the Chinese texts other than just looking at the "lunar mansions"
"There is nothing that escapes the all-consuming march of time"-unknown
The more the merrier, Leviathan, the more the merrier!
But then: arsa longa, vita brevis!!