When you learn astrology, you learn the essence of each factor early on. You learn Moon is nature and background. You learn Mercury is logic and communication. You learn Venus is attraction and appeal. And so forth. It is a big step to then graduate to pairs. What does Mercury/Venus mean? What does Sun/Jupiter mean? Many students never master even the planetary pair stage. It is quite difficult, but it is very rewarding.
You may notice that there are other combinations of multiple aspects that seem to link more than 2 factors. You may have a planet that squares one planet and trines another. This qualifies as a three-planet picture. It doesn't have an official configuration name, but your intuition is telling you that there is something meaningful in the extended combination.
My chart is attached, feel free to pass along any insights that come to mind even if unrelated to the title of the thread. Any one who would like to read the chart in entirety is welcome. Your perspective and time is much appreciated!
Here is my curiosity though: I have ready varying definitions on stelliums, some requiring that planets fall in same houses, some in same signs, and others that the chain of conjunctions itself defines a stellium. Some sources say 3 planets, some 4 or more. First, what is your take on what defines a stellium? Secondly, what is your interpretation of mine?
I understand that at a basic level, a stellium shows focus in a particular area of the chart.
If I go with 4 planets conjunct in same house, we have Sun, Venus, Saturn, and Mercury in the 8th.
If 4 planets by sign, I have Moon, Mars, Sun, and Venus in Aquarius.
If by chain of conjunctions I have Mars conj Moon conj Sun conj Venus conj Saturn conj Mercury
Thanks in advance for your insight. I'm happy to look at charts in return, feel free to post yours on this thread if you're interested in that.
I define a stellium as "4 or more planets, at least 2 of which are not Sun, Mercury or Venus, in the same sign or same house, or both".
A stellium by sign is much the stronger and more significant because a stellium by sign emphasizes Quality and Element.
The planets do not have to be in actual conjunction.
A stellium is a giant conjunction, only more so. It is classified as a Formation (the name "stellium" indicates that it is a recognized Formation, not just a collection of planets, as in a triple conjunction.) It has power over and above the simpler conjunctions.
Bill Clinton's chart features 2 stelliums by sign.
By the definition above, you have a stellium in Aquarius but not the 8th house. I do not consider a "chain of conjunctions" as a stellium. That is something brought in by the "modern" astrologers who love to invent things they don't understand.
The stricture on Sun, Mercury and Venus is because they travel together and often occupy the same sign. This is an adjustment for that fact.
I don't know about astrotheme
What's in Leo? Sun, Mercury, Pluto and Saturn. That makes 4 planets, at least 2 of which are not Sun, Mercury or Venus. So, a stellium in Leo, with Sun in domicile.
If I want reliable charts and data, I go to astrodienst.
It is a blessing that you have a way to be more specific when you interpret a chart. If you can interpret 3-way combinations or 4-way combinations, you can accomplish some amazing interpretations. Of course, you begin by breaking down the larger picture into component pairs. That is how beginners begin. If you have a stellium with Sun/Jupiter/Venus, a beginner can come to interpret fairly well by combining the meaning of Sun/Jupiter with Jupiter/Venus and Sun/Venus, but in time you will recognize the special and specific message that lies with Sun/Jupiter/Venus.
One of the curiosities of astrology is that poets often have larger than average stellia. One would certainly not assume that all large stellia are poets, however. What can we assume about large stellia? They signify a complicated person. Most poets are complicated people.
Pluto squares Venus and Jupiter squares Sun, so Jupiter/Pluto are probably a pair as well with more specificity to offer. Sun/Moon suggests intimate relationships. Venus/Mars suggests intimate relationships. Pluto/Venus suggests intimate relationships. And a stellium sprawling across Seventh and Eighth Houses suggests intimate relationships.
Sun/Moon and Venus/Mars and Sun/Venus tend to be quite sensuous. This is about a person who emphasizes passion excessively to the exclusion of many other things. Sun/Moon tells us that your life is marked by excessive ups and downs. Of course most lives have ups and downs, but Sun/Moon very much emphasizes this fact. The person is sensual and erotic. With Mercury/Saturn/Venus, art and creativity is also involved. You are a bit of an exhibitionist and you are pushy (Venus/Mars). You love the nightlife (Sun/Venus). You are impulsive, volatile, and opinionated (Moon/Mars). You are controversial, ambitious, and aggressive (Sun/Mars). You are serious, and some might find you cold (Sun/Venus/Saturn).
Hi everybody! My greatest apologies for this enormously delayed response. I made myself promise not to make any more posts until I was able to respond to everyone here
Just plain old busy-ness contributed a lot, but there were some interesting events that cropped up in my life which may be interesting to those who like to study transits/events and the like.
I posted this thread April 02 2019. On April 15th I woke up acutely ill and required an emergency appendectomy. The procedure was successful and I was home before 1am that day/night. Regarding this illness, I had been hospitalized for it around October 2018 (if I recall correctly) I was discharged without the illness being diagnosed. I was given some antibiotics and the illness more or less laid dormant until the 15th. (I had pain and a mild flareup of the illness after making a flight to Ireland in December 2018 and then again in December 2019 but aside from that really nothing)
On April 26th my first nephew (by blood) was born!
September 16th I experienced a very early miscarriage It was a chemical pregnancy, but still sad nonetheless. I am grateful and happy I got to carry my baby at all, even if for such a short time.
It's quite possible that I've experienced the passage of another chemical pregnancy on Dec 4th.
There have been a myriad of events surrounding my business that I'd like to share for study, but due to the current climate in my field I think it's best of I don't.
In continuation of my previous response.
Cary2,
This very much encompasses my difficulty with understanding my stellium when I started learning natal astrology. I find the concept of 'planetary pictures' as you've explained them to be very concise and helpful. I hadn't really thought of it that way, yet this makes perfect sense. Being that 'blending' is the nature of a conjunction aspect (according to some) it makes sense that multiple conjunctions would lead to a more infused energy of all the bodies involved.
That's interesting. I did write quite a lot of poetry as a child and a young adult. I believe I stopped some time in high school. I have written volumes on and off over the years as well.
Interesting, so purely by dint of being in aspect with members of the stellium, Jupiter and Pluto would be considered a pair of sorts?
I would have to call you correct on all those points, even the ones I haven't always seen so clearly with my own eyes. Those are frequent descriptors from my (poor) loved ones. Lol, I wish I could be softer and sweeter for them, but any attempts to force myself to behave in a docile or quiet way feel... Forced and wrong? As if I'm silencing myself. It will lead to an inevitable explosion of the power keg, you know? Of course, my loved ones love and appreciate me for who I am, but I'm sure they'd love to be able to turn down the intensity at times. Me too. I am indeed an artist, and touching on what you'd said of the 8th house before, most of my artwork revolves around the mystical, fantastical, occult, or sensual. My style of artwork is very realistic, even when I 'cartoon'.
Very spot on all in all!
I will reply to the rest of you shortly, I must do some work right now!
Here is the definition of a stellium I work with:
When 4 or more planets, at least 2 of which are not Sun, Mercury or Venus, occupy one sign, or one house, or both, there is a stellium.
A stellium by sign is stronger than one by house because Quality and Element receive emphasis.
A stellium is a SuperConjunction. To understand a stellium carefully study the meaning and operation of the conjunction.
You have a stellium by sign (Aquarius) but not by house. Both Lights are in Aquarius, highly significant of itself. A Moon who soon immolates herself in the fires of the Sun.
What is most notable is the fact that 8 of the 10 planets are found within the space of an octile (semi-square), all clustered around the western angle; and all 10 planets are in the west. Highly unusual, highly concentrated.
The chart pattern is the Bundle, itself indicative of a strongly internalized, subjective "world of your own." It implies a narrow focus and high concentration of energies.
Jupiter is the cutting planet and his energies permeate the whole chart. This planet leads you into experience and is predominant. His nature is Paternal. A careful study of Jupiter and his significance (in this, your personal chart) is suggested.
Notice that Jupiter and Pluto stand apart from the crowd. Why? What do they do? I refer you to the thread "Using planetary patterns. The bowl...." There is discussion there of a man I don't know who was a "prophet of mushrooms". And his bowl chart features a very widely separated Uranus. The discussion there may give you some clues for interpretation. These two planets, using the 10-planet rulerships, are in mutual reception. This spices up their stand-offishness; they assist each other. Notice also thst in the same 10-planet rulership system, Saturn and Neptune are also in mutual reception and rule all the other planets in the cluster. Jupiter and Pluto also stand apart by hemisphere.
Everything pointed to in this post can be, and should be, interpreted in terms of your character and destiny.
hope helps further, do ack n share salient feedbacks
how true-untrue etc :
sun-venus-mer-sat 8th, chronic diseases to care,
urological-legs-feet-heart-stomach-skin-kidney-depression, etc
may have indifferent attitude towards health;
mer debilated pisces and confused emotionally,
protected by jup trine aspect over mer-sat pisces,
could have negotiation and manipulative skills;
jup aspect own pisces 9th supportive of luck-edu etc;
sat own 8th, success amidst adversity;
may be good for insurance benefits;
sat as lord 7th over 8th, sick spouse;
venus combust sun need for zinc supplements perhaps;
observe fast sat evenings;
mer elevated aspect own virgo 2nd,
and sun aspect own leo 2nd,
supportive of finances;
moon-mars acq 7th, volatile emotions and finances,
sun-venus-moon-mars acq, reformist, innovative,
aptitude for rheumatology, neurology, plastic surgery, etc
indifferent towards personal relationships;
moon-mars lords 1/5/10 good for prosperity,
through marriage perhaps;
previous 1.5yr ketu separative SNode transit acq,
detachment from relationship,
pain-injury-surgery abdominals-legs-sciatica etc etc
sat-ketu coming 1.5yr transit cap 8th, detachment from job,
pain-injury-surgery knees-intestinal-hips etc to care;
natal ketu taurus 11th,
detachment from income-gains-friendships-relationship;
pain-injury-surgery arms-shoulders-ears-dental etc
prayers to Christ, offer red flowers fri evenings at the alter at home;
all planets between ketu-rahu practically,
ketu transits over planets tending to detachments, pain-injury-surgery;
rahu transits tending to clouding things, toxic health issues;
rahu debilted dark pit scorpio, not to indulge in the occult;
jup-rahu scorpio research-occult-forensic aptitudes and acting skills;
rise-fall in life wisdom vitiated;
prayers for ancestors, observe fast No-Moon evenings
taking milk-fruits or as per custom;
wear brown hessonite over pendant touching heart;
lord mars over 7th quadrant, debilation of rahu cancelled,
gradual improvement in luck-education-position etc;
rahu 5th foreign relationships, delay in children;
jup year ahead transit own sag 5th trine aries 10th trine leo, good for
luck-edu-romance-children-position-career-health-fin-advisory roles,
jup effective mid-course march-june 020;
prayers to saint of faith, offer yellow flowers tues evenings;
do ack, and share pointwise salient feedbacks,
which could be interesting to learn about; and ideas to pick, if any.
wishing you well, kshantaram
This did trouble me somewhat growing up- my physical appetite always seemed to get in the way of my desire to develop emotional relationships with others. I wanted to have emotional relationships with others, but my physical impulse was too strong and difficult to deny and often superceded emotional developments.your eris is conjunct your midheaven. this gives you a out going and exuberant emotional nature.
you enjoy life and are ambitious and have plans to arrive at your dreams. psyche is square to eris which shows a very romantic nature. but these two symbols are somewhat opposites in that eris is more into immediate satisfaction while psyche is concerned with love and intimacy. so these can complement each other but they are at odds when I comes to love and intimacy... eris is concerned with physical satisfaction and not so much caring about love and intimacy in a "spiritual sense.'
I wasn't aware until I was quite a bit older that I was constantly surrounded by 'suitors' growing up. I didn't see myself as attractive or feminine so I didn't think anyone else could. Hindsight is 20-20, silly girl.you also have your venus/mars midpoint conjunct to your sun which is another very social and attractive aspect. it shows many suitors and lovers if you want them. it too shows a focus in your life toward intimate relationships. it is more well rounded that your eris impulse which is focused on the physical . this aspect shows concern for love and developing intimacy.
Yes, that's a bit of what I was rambling about above. It seemed the men I attracted wanted mostly to hook up, or for me to 'trick' them into a relationship by setting up a game for them. Why can't we get naked and then see if we want a relationship? Why all the pretense, why can't we just say "Hey, I like you!"? I know it just doesn't work that way for some people (and that's okay) so I'd just say "next!" after a little while. I felt that if you can "pass" on a person (that sounds a little cold), then they just aren't the one for you. : )your ceres is conjunct to liith and opposed to juno which shows that love and committed relationships are at the center of you being. here your eris impulse is somewhat out of place, because you will attract guys that just want to get naked and aren't interested in a relationship... but you are..
I love your use of asteroids and midpoint conjunctions, it adds a very interesting element to the chart, one I haven't looked at before. I'm very flattered by your perspective of these elements, although I'm not sure if I'm quite as attractive as you so beautifully describe. I know I am to a certain extent people are attracted to me (in the sense of a magnet, not overwhelming physical or emotional attraction). Especially when I am alone in public, strangers of any age will approach me and have conversations just about anywhere and about anything! I don't mind if a person wants to talk to me or what the subject is about, I'm pretty easygoing. I will point out, these are not risky types of situations, more like (here's a literal example) a very old man sits down on the opposite side of a bench in a food court and ends up telling me his life story, how he went to college, had a change of path, has a masters degree in nutrition, and has some tips for better absorption! Or a girl in the makeup aisle of a drug store swearing she knows me from somewhere, then proceeding to tell me about her family troubles, namely with her sister and mother. A couple approached my husband and me while waiting in for a seat at a busy restaurant because they liked me sweatshirt, we ended up talking until our tables were called. The host at the restaurant thought we were friends on a double date and sat us at the same table! We all ended up exchanging numbers, but neither of us reached out or ever met up again because it really was so random we didn't even know how to handle it!your eros/psyche midpoint is conjunct your sun/Venus midpoint which is yet another very attractive loving,emotional/physical attribute. this really heightens you need for a very romantic and idealistic relationship. this is a very enchanting aspect and makes you even more alluring and desirable.
YUP. That is so accurate. The one thing I will add is that I always felt like I HAD to be with someone who was very 'take charge' because I had always been told while growing up that I'm 'too aggressive' and that's going to 'scare men away'. I'm pretty assertive but I was kinda taught to associate that as a more masculine trait that was going to push potential suitors away, and not as something that makes me attractive to a person who is compatible with me.complicating this ,is that you have the node conjunct to Pluto and ixion, square to venus/Saturn.
frankly this is a difficult pattern . even though you have aspects of love and gaiety, this pattern is somewhat dark which suggest that you tend to get with guys who are a bit edgy ... selfish types that aren't as sensitive to your feeling as you deserve.this can show a insecurity that allows you to get involved with guys who 'takecharge".
Saturn square to pluto actually gives deep self esteem problems. Usually it shows in childhood ,you had a unresponsive or cold father who did not give you the affection you need. you are very affectionate but this part of your nture was stunted in childhood.
Very, very accurate. I pride myself on my honesty. Always did, even as a small child I never lied to get out of trouble. "Did you hit your brother?" "Yes." I feel that no person should commit any action they are not willing to accept the consequences for, therefore there is no reason to lie about our actions. I feel that manipulation and deceit are low-level feats of intelligence employed to move others towards a motive that they haven't accepted themselves, and that is wrong. I think you should be able to clearly elucidate the reasons why others should do what you ask and it is there choice to do so or not. ; ) I can be very persuasive when I want to be. All people deserve the right to act of their own volition. All people are entitled to the consequences of their own actions. Naturally, this causes some problems for me as society is not as black-and-white about these things as I am.you have the moon square to Jupiter ,square to sedan and opposed to orcus. Sedna opposed to Jupiter and square the moon is a very truthful impulse.it shows a good mind and a desire to be upfront and truthful in all your doings. but orcus is an unconscious symbol, and here it might indicate that although you have impulse for truth, that you keep much to yourself. you not deceitful but you might not let others really know your true feelings.