Only those born in far northern countries. Where lots of people, not just politicians, have their MC in the twelfth house whole sign.
This discussion got me wondering about the prevalence of alcoholism in countries where MC in the twelfth sign is a significant possibility. According to my searches, the countries with the highest rates of alcoholism are heavily skewed to northern Europe. All but one of the top five are part of the former Soviet Union.
Of course, cultural and economic factors are at play here.
The point I was trying to make was that the MC in his twelfth house whole sign contributes to a more loaded twelfth house. Not that it's the sole reason his twelfth house would be up, but it injects a bit more twelfth house type energy.
Palme's end sounds very twelfth house, too. Shot in the back, and the killer's conviction overturned for lack of evidence.
Even his early life sounds like it has the twelfth house stamped on it. Father died during his childhood, mother sent him to live with relatives in another country. That's an exile experience.
Hi, Osamenor-- I'm not being critical, just enjoying a debate with some meat on its bones (apologies to all vegans present,) because it raises some much bigger issues. This is how I learn.
I normally use Placidus for nativities, unless there's a good reason not to, like a "fuzzy" birth time. Or a really skewed high-latitude chart, but in which case I'd probably look at different house options, such as whole signs.
But if we think about it, in the Far North, the sun might be above the horizon in winter for only a few hours per day. In summer, it might be below the horizon for only a few hours per day. The ancient Hellenistic astrologers, who essentially developed under our horoscope, knew about high latitudes but they weren't casting charts for their inhabitants. I don't think our horoscope actually works really well at high latitudes, no matter which system we used. It can't work for someone born above the Arctic Circle at a solstice.
Traditionally the 4th house or the 8th house indicated the end of life, not so much the 12th. Then with both of these prime ministers, we're left explaining why their lives were so successful before a 12th house Bitter End kicked in.
Here's a somewhat different chart, for the actress/dancer/singer Ann-Margret. She was born in Sweden, but unlike Olof Palme or Ahti Karjalainen, she spent most of her life in the US. Where one might wonder what her relocated chart looks like.
https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Ann-Margret
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann-Margret
She also became an alcoholic, but her MC is in the whole signs 8th house, not the 12th. She does have a big 12th house stellium. Her Placidus 6th and 12th houses are enormous, with 3 intercepted signs apiece. This gives her Saturn (Capricorn) as ruler of 3 houses, and the moon as ruler of 3 houses (Cancer.)
People born at high latitudes can have both a lot of intercepted signs and duplicate signs.
I honestly don't know whether a 12th house MC was a common placement for Scandinavian politicians or not. This would take some research.
Also, whether cultural reasons account for high rates of alcoholism. Drinking rates are extremely low in Muslim countries, for example, but this has nothing to do with latitude. Possibly the problem is the shortage of sunlight. Russian drinking includes a lot of vodka, knocked back as straight shots, not the Mediterranean lighter custom of wine-drinking.
Then, why should two different house systems "work"-- or not, at all? The failure of astrologers to agree on a valid house system fired up astrology's critics in past centuries.