USA Nov. 2020 Presidential Election, the Democrat Party Contenders

piercethevale

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I haven't 'checked the math", but I thought that I would pass this along anyways... I'm sure someone will say it does check out as well as some that will say it doesn't.
For what it is worth, anyways...

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piercethevale

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As to what I wrote above and posted last night-earlier this morning [it was 2 A.M. here in Calif.] about a possibility that Joe Biden having been born around 8:22 or later.
Actually, I should have written around 8:24 or later... as you can do your own calculations for this and see for yourselves that a Part of Catastrophe [Asc. + Uranus - Sun] cast for this chart [cast for 8:24 A.M. the day and location of Joe Biden's birth] will produce the result of 07* Gemini 02' 26".

The natal chart for the U.S.A. [the "Zero Hour" chart, 12:00:01 A.M. July 4, 1776 Philadelphia, Penn.] produces a Part of Destiny at 07* Gemini 59' 09"

[also, the natal chart of the U.S.A. from the formula Asc. + Mercury - Uranus , which, it is written, is alleged to be a Part of Astrology, or a Part of Messages, or a Part of Eccentricity. The opposite formula, i.e. Asc. + Uranus - Mercury, it is written, is alleged to be a Part of Messages & Astrology, or a Part of Originality. Based on what I have in my own natal chart and my deliberations concerning the matter, I believe that the former formula is about Astrology, being that they are those things in nature that are already there from which we can interpret symbolically the "messages" we are looking for. The latter formula I believe to be more as to Omens & Signs, being that it is about those sort of things that are given to any of us, solely for our own self. In that respect how this particular opposition of formulae operates.. Thus I believe that the Part of Astrology for the U.S.A. is at 07* Gemini 07' 03"].

I don't know how anyone else might feel about a president whom might have his Part of Catastrophe conjunct the natal position of the nations' Part of Destiny, but I surely don't like the sound of that.

Though I do believe that the active positions of all astrological influences found in the natal chart of the USA must be adjusted, rectified, for the amount of Sidereal precession that has occurred at the time the transits are checked for, as to the synastry of Joe Bide's chart at birth makes in relation to the USA's natal chart, that they share the same Sabian Symbology is what concerns me. The Sabians that are found on a natal chart are never to be changed along with the Sidereal precession. They remain forever in effect, although progressed natal charts, I presently believe, are the only exception, inasmuch as they are read solely as to that of the progressed natal chart itself... sort of like todays' marching orders, whereas the natal chart is the overall battle plan, for want of a better analogy]

So what is the Sabian Symbol for the 8th degree of Gemini, you might ask?
I'm glad you might... and it is so "spot on" as it being the symbolism for the USA's destiny... imho, of course:wink: [ibid.]

"GEMINI 8°: AROUSED STRIKERS SURROUND A FACTORY.

KEYNOTE:
The disruptive power of the ambitious mind upon the organic wholeness of human relationship.

We are dealing in this sequence of symbols with man's discovery of the new powers residing in his special contribution to the total organism of this planet Earth — his consciousness and aggressive mind. The first stage (Phase 66) dealt with oil, the typical form of energy which the modern mind has made available. (These symbols were revealed before atomic energy was even thought of as a practical possibility.) Now we see in this new symbol a pictorial indication of what the use of this intellect-generated energy inevitably leads to: industrial unrest and violence. As man manages to rape the earth in order to demonstrate his power and intensify his pleasures and his sense of proud mastery, conflicts and disruptive processes are inevitably initiated.

The arousal is presented to us here in its collective social form because we have reached the emotional-cultural level. The type of power generated by the analytical intellectual faculties is essentially disruptive; it is based on the destruction of matter, and invites egocentric hoarding and spoliation — and, in general, privileges of one kind or another. This leads to a
REVOLT AGAINST PRIVILEGES.
"

IMHO, Dane's "Keywords" say it all, "REVOLT AGAINST PRIVILEGES"... as that is exactly what the American Revolution was truly all about, at the very core fo the cause for the revolution... it is yet to be the ultimate destiny, also... such "privilege" should have never been allowed to exist in this country to begin with.

Bernie, I believe has a well thought out plan to accomplish it... Joe, on the other hand... could be a potential disaster as He is prone to compromise... he compromised during the desegregation efforts years ago...even though He had been among the first of the "white" citizenry to join the protests.

There can be no compromise when it comes to equality...and by that I don't mean that being wealthy should be made illegal, I mean equality in having equal access to the basic needs of living, in education, health care, adequate housing, i.e. a Home of ones' own, clean water, enough to eat. It say right in the Tanakh, the Old Testament, that God gave this earth to all as to provide us with the harvest of the fields and orchards, the bounty of the seas by whichto feed us, the cool, clean waters from which to quench our thirst ...and the earth, our Mother Earth, upon which to lay our weary heads and sleep, when the need be.
I's a sin against the Will of God, to deny anyone food, water, and the right to sleep on any public land that they may choose to do so...but no one should have to seek out such a place because they are "homeless".

In Old California, when it was Spanish ruled and Spanish law was in effect, one had the right to cross onto anyones' piece of property and drink, or water their herd, from a natural river, stream, or lake... not so under it's present English based laws.

Power to the People, all glory to God.... and give the Oval Office to Bernie.

P.S. I almost forgot...here's that chart I cast for 8:24 so you all can see for yourselves, do the math...

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david starling

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If the DNC uses its "super delegates" to give the nomination to Biden, WILL Bernie and his supporters throw Biden under the bus and allow Trump to win the Electoral vote? OR, will he enthusiastically support Biden in order to AT LEAST prevent another right-wing, Trumpublican Supreme Court appointment during the next 4 years?
 

leomoon

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Every now and then, or on a "blue moon", lol - I'll turn on Fox to see what a moderate host might be offering. Last night I tuned into Shannon Bream, who had 2 guests, one a Democrat and Biden team person, the other the opposite, i.e. Trump supporter a lawyer, who was a woman but whose name I didn't catch.


What I thought was interesting however, is when they were to debate the investigation going on now with Hunter Biden. Each of course taking their own side in the matter that either is protective of Biden or protective of Trump and his family. The idea being that opening up this can of worms again for ratings sake (as Shannon said, it would definately sell tickets) to have Trump Jr. arguing the matter with Hunter Biden as to WHO or which side gained the most by the father's office.



To me, I thought the Biden side dropped the ball by being diverted by the DJT Jr. tweet having to do with "show us your taxes, I'll show you mine" argument, and thats where they stayed (with that argument).


Originally, the Democrat should have stayed with his main theme which is Jared & Ivanka, and their multi-millions gained in 3 years (recently another 300 million in profit alone from some real estate Stock in a company benefited from the father's tax cuts) Somehow, he was diverted by the others and never came back to the issue of Ivanka-Jared riches. I did hear however, Shannon the hostess say "well Hunter made 80,000 per month X1.5 years? " or whatever that figures was, but she did not return to the facts of the riches gained by Ivanka & Jared which far far outweigh that figure by multi--millions, even in 2018 alone, Ivanka herself made 4 Million off the D.C.hotel, which was her "cut".


They closed the segment with talking abut the scandal of Joe Biden's younger brother WHO it seems likewise, made off with $600,000 which was suppose to be a loan, yet he pocketed it and never paid the loan back (sounds like DJT actually) who it is said, never pays his bills.


Now what didn't surprise me at all, was WHERE that 600M "loan" came from which is now producing this scandal of Thomas Biden & Fraud charges.


It had to do with a health care company he told the owners? that he'd provide Access, and knowing the right people in order to gain from them.


Sounds much like DJT's fixer Michael Cohen and many of his original people in his campaign when becoming the nominee.



They all seemed to agree, opening the Huntergazi (as they termed it), for political reasons for Trump will end up in a "scorched earth" debate. :sideways:


ADDED: link:


https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news...n-brother-conned-him-michael-frey/1865866001/
 
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leomoon

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If the DNC uses its "super delegates" to give the nomination to Biden, WILL Bernie and his supporters throw Biden under the bus and allow Trump to win the Electoral vote? OR, will he enthusiastically support Biden in order to AT LEAST prevent another right-wing, Trumpublican Supreme Court appointment during the next 4 years?


What is the old saying? "Alls fair in love and war".



From what I've read and seen myself of the DNC, he should be pissed, as should his followers. Its a fixed game.



As for the Supreme Court, its already handing off Trumpian wishes as their votes are counted.



Last night I heard 2 experts (Doctors) speaking about the Coronavirus now seriously impacting the U.S. which they feel will turn into another Italy mess.


Bottom line is, EVERYONE needs testing as is humanly possible they say. To do this, Universal Health Care would provide all that is necessary (they said), without the political nonsense that has currently been the brakes from the WH. putting the U.S. about a month behind Italy. :surprised:


In Germany, you just pull up in your car, turn down the window and get tested by a guy or woman in a HazMat suit.



Where are our test centers?:surprised:
 

david starling

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If Bernie does win the nomination, pretty sure Biden will give him his full support. So, that's the Democrats' only chance of taking back the Presidency. If Bernie loses the nomination, he'll give Trump another 4 years. Seems very short-sighted to me. :sideways:
 

piercethevale

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Every now and then, or on a "blue moon", lol - I'll turn on Fox to see what a moderate host might be offering. Last night I tuned into Shannon Bream, who had 2 guests, one a Democrat and Biden team person, the other the opposite, i.e. Trump supporter a lawyer, who was a woman but whose name I didn't catch.


What I thought was interesting however, is when they were to debate the investigation going on now with Hunter Biden. Each of course taking their own side in the matter that either is protective of Biden or protective of Trump and his family. The idea being that opening up this can of worms again for ratings sake (as Shannon said, it would definately sell tickets) to have Trump Jr. arguing the matter with Hunter Biden as to WHO or which side gained the most by the father's office.



To me, I thought the Biden side dropped the ball by being diverted by the DJT Jr. tweet having to do with "show us your taxes, I'll show you mine" argument, and thats where they stayed (with that argument).


Originally, the Democrat should have stayed with his main theme which is Jared & Ivanka, and their multi-millions gained in 3 years (recently another 300 million in profit alone from some real estate Stock in a company benefited from the father's tax cuts) Somehow, he was diverted by the others and never came back to the issue of Ivanka-Jared riches. I did hear however, Shannon the hostess say "well Hunter made 80,000 per month X1.5 years? " or whatever that figures was, but she did not return to the facts of the riches gained by Ivanka & Jared which far far outweigh that figure by multi--millions, even in 2018 alone, Ivanka herself made 4 Million off the D.C.hotel, which was her "cut".


They closed the segment with talking abut the scandal of Joe Biden's younger brother WHO it seems likewise, made off with $600,000 which was suppose to be a loan, yet he pocketed it and never paid the loan back (sounds like DJT actually) who it is said, never pays his bills.


Now what didn't surprise me at all, was WHERE that 600M "loan" came from which is now producing this scandal of Thomas Biden & Fraud charges.


It had to do with a health care company he told the owners? that he'd provide Access, and knowing the right people in order to gain from them.


Sounds much like DJT's fixer Michael Cohen and many of his original people in his campaign when becoming the nominee.



They all seemed to agree, opening the Huntergazi (as they termed it), for political reasons for Trump will end up in a "scorched earth" debate. :sideways:


ADDED: link:


https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news...n-brother-conned-him-michael-frey/1865866001/

Yeah, but in one instance they're just being allowed to keep their own money,while in the other... ?
How much in foreign aid was given to the Ukraine following the appointment...how much beforehand... In other words, what was the quid pro quo?

I'll say one thing for Biden, He was always among the poorest in financial wealth in the Senate... his brother, on the other hand, seems to have been following a different calling.
Ther father had been an oil businessman, that ended up selling used cars for a living...
...hmmm...
"TEST DRIVE FOR TOBEY, TEST DRIVE FOR TOBEY....!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REa2DDzChGM
 

david starling

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While the Republicans do have a slim majority on the Supreme Court, they're not ALL Trump's lackeys. The next Trump Supreme Court appointment would give him a lock on that branch of government. It really is vital to get a Democrat into the White House, in that regard.
 

leomoon

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While the Republicans do have a slim majority on the Supreme Court, they're not ALL Trump's lackeys. The next Trump Supreme Court appointment would give him a lock on that branch of government. It really is vital to get a Democrat into the White House, in that regard.


First (lord forbid its RG), we need a death, because usually, thats the only way they leave office, i.e. "feet first".


There is a video you can see here on CNN of Biden once again, losing his cool, and cursing / telling off a Michigan voter who asked questions of him.

I think he AGAIN called this one a liar, and again used the "god damned pony" old day nonsense.


No, he's NOT President Obama, and will never reach that intellectual status. But I don't think he cannot win either.


Meaning, I think he CAN. Most people like names they (think) they know and judge their character mainly on what that person tells them he or she is.

The proof is in the puddin' like when stressful moments occur as with this (once again), voter daring to ask a question in Michigan car plant.
His supporters will make excuses for his outbursts just like Trump supporters do for their "guy".



Election Day, Biden has Tr Jupiter sextile his Mercury while Tr. Venus over his 10th public house, will trine his natal Saturn. Sounds like a win to me.





https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/10/politics/house-mueller-secret-grand-jury/index.html?utm_term=1583859940198772e16f9d7a7&utm_source=Breaking+News&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=155001&bt_ee=343yDx0gTvIprXUJe9l1s66dnuqXEp7%2F93Kj6niR%2F0xyQEmLVC%2BCam4EI7SnnRPK&bt_ts=1583859940202&fbclid=IwAR0UscZbSQwvcsGu8kqvXJIAM1sbwr3s844wmHbvOL5MLmAhA4_wQHvJ9o8
 
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leomoon

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Joe Biden once again telling off a Michigan voter: (loses it) emotionally:
"You're full of shi-" he says -



https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=86&v=kfSzj2T-bvM&feature=emb_logo


Obviously, (or should have been to Biden), the man was referring to a viral video doctored by the trump people saying Joe would take away your guns....Only AK 47s, not other guns - he told Beto O'Rourke.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ontrol-exchange-auto-plant-worker/5011344002/


Ref:
I'll say one thing for Biden, He was always among the poorest in financial wealth in the Senate.. his brother, on the other hand, seems to have been following a different calling.
Ther father had been an oil businessman, that ended up selling used cars for a living...
...hmmm...
It may not have been due to a lack of trying, as some people put other things before money at the forefront. Who knows, maybe more will be coming out.


After all, that 12th house and Algol connections, I always believed had to be the loss of his 1st family in the car crash, but its also a secretive house. I'm now seeing his 12th differently, as the 7th of marriage contacts is actually ruled by Gemini (Mercury found in the 12th in the "definite loss" degree of Scorpio ) ...There is still the matter of his Sun in the 12th and his Venus to wonder about. His Venus opposes Uranus and squares Chiron, so yes, once again, it must be the 1st family, a horrific loss of a baby girl , and his young wife.


And what ever happened to all the claptrap of "wait to see what Rudy G (the ghoul), has on the Bidens, good stuff"...
 
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leomoon

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Washington Post breaking news:
BREAKING: White House likely to push federal aid for shale companies hit by coronavirus/international energy shock Trump confidante & oil billionaire Harold Hamm lost $2 billion yesterday. Hamm reached out to admin but says he didn't make “direct" contact


Twitter breaks out in a near riot over it:


"Socialism, BUT only for Billionaires & Millionaires" they said:


https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/tr...tm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=3923


Someone wondered aloud, the same as I wondered about; will he call a National Emergency in Nov. to delay votes or the Election date? So far, hes gotten away with everything he's tried, and he needs to get past the Statute of Limitations for many lawsuits he'll be faced with otherwise. He's desperate. Will he try this too?


https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/11/trump-2020-criminal-prosecution-1055291

In Trump’s case, one big question will center on whether any potential crimes fall within the statute of limitations — which in most federal cases lasts for five years.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics...sitting-president-statute-of-limitations.html
 
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david starling

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See, this is completely illogical to me. Bernie’s supporters are trying to warn you of what the Trump machine will do to Biden.
Like you said Biden is a consummate back-room politico. Not clear how cut out he is for the social media and populist game that the current scene has become.

So Bernie supporters WILL go all out for Biden if he's the only alternative to Trump. Good to know!
 

piercethevale

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First (lord forbid its RG), we need a death, because usually, thats the only way they leave office, i.e. "feet first".


There is a video you can see here on CNN of Biden once again, losing his cool, and cursing / telling off a Michigan voter who asked questions of him.

I think he AGAIN called this one a liar, and again used the "god damned pony" old day nonsense.


No, he's NOT President Obama, and will never reach that intellectual status. But I don't think he cannot win either.


Meaning, I think he CAN. Most people like names they (think) they know and judge their character mainly on what that person tells them he or she is.

The proof is in the puddin' like when stressful moments occur as with this (once again), voter daring to ask a question in Michigan car plant.
His supporters will make excuses for his outbursts just like Trump supporters do for their "guy".



Election Day, Biden has Tr Jupiter sextile his Mercury while Tr. Venus over his 10th public house, will trine his natal Saturn. Sounds like a win to me.





https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/10/politics/house-mueller-secret-grand-jury/index.html?utm_term=1583859940198772e16f9d7a7&utm_source=Breaking+News&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=155001&bt_ee=343yDx0gTvIprXUJe9l1s66dnuqXEp7%2F93Kj6niR%2F0xyQEmLVC%2BCam4EI7SnnRPK&bt_ts=1583859940202&fbclid=IwAR0UscZbSQwvcsGu8kqvXJIAM1sbwr3s844wmHbvOL5MLmAhA4_wQHvJ9o8

As to Biden winning, I don't agree... at least not for the reason you've stated.

You're forgetting that not everyone is affected by all the planets. Whether Joe is affected by Mercury and, or, Venus, and, or, Jupiter is anybodys' guess, unless they're a very long term observer of Joe Biden's personal and public life and they are an competent astrologer... then maybe such a person would be able to say for sure if one or more of those planets in particular is of effect on Joe Biden.

"...and all angles to the Ascendant" added Edgar Cayce. I've come to the understanding that means any Astrological Part that uses the Asc. as the "Personal Point" and likely any House cusp as well, when it is from a Placidus House system chart.
The other factor, I've found to be always of effect...but that is when it does concern the individual... are the Moon's Nodes.

The North Node is what all the emphemeral activity, for any given moment, is depositing into.
Those that are "world servers"... and that does include the major players on a world scale, at times... they are particularly given to the affect of the Nodes when it is their "Hour"... or fifteen minutes... it might even just be a once in a lifetime thing. Like it was with me back in December of 2005.

This coming October and November the transiting Moon's Nodes will be conjunct Trump's own natal Nodes...

...the word 'juggernaut" comes to my mind... for some reason :whistling:
 
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Dirius

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See, this is completely illogical to me. Bernie’s supporters are trying to warn you of what the Trump machine will do to Biden.
Like you said Biden is a consummate back-room politico. Not clear how cut out he is for the social media and populist game that the current scene has become.

Yeah but Trump actually prefers Bernie as an opponent, because he can easly trash him as a communist infront of the whole world - which can make some moderate democrats not to cast a vote for Bernie. On the other hand Biden can easily rally democrats from every ideology, just so they can beat trump.

Truth is neither of them can beat Trump on stage. Like it or not, his personality makes him too strong while debating.
 

david starling

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Yeah but Trump actually prefers Bernie as an opponent, because he can easly trash him as a communist infront of the whole world - which can make some moderate democrats not to cast a vote for Bernie. On the other hand Biden can easily rally democrats from every ideology, just so they can beat trump.

Truth is neither of them can beat Trump on stage. Like it or not, his personality makes him too strong while debating.

Joe "the Alligator" Biden versus Donald "the Python" Trump! Should be an interesting matchup, if Biden wins the nomination.
 

piercethevale

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Well, after some days of efforts I think that I've finally managed to come up with a rectification chart for Joe Biden. Not to the exact second in time, but even that could likely be worked out by anyone that really spent a great deal of time and effort at it.
I might be wrong, but based on what I know of the man, so far, and have observed of Him, especially most recently... I've got a pretty good feeling that I'm very close, at least close enough for general analysis and prognostication.

Here's a copy of that chart that has me rather convinced. I'll get to the explanation of it ...not all tonight, it's late and as I spent an additional five hours writing last night when I had figured on only a half hour, I'm not about to let this take over another evening here...or what's left of it.

Besides, my room mate informed me just moments ago that Biden took all the States in todays' primaries... We're both now rather convinced that "the fix is on" He thinks that Biden is about two blinks from a full blown episode after which he'll be medically diagnosed and declared mentally incompetent.
Whether that might be from having Alzheimers or something to do with the brain surgery He had back in the 1980's might be anybodys' guess... if my room mate is correct, that is.
My room mate thinks that Eliz. Warren will be offered the V.P. slot and that she will step up and assume the duties soon after Biden is elected...and that is IF JOE IS ELECTED... but I don't think Joe will defeat Trump...see my post above about the Moons' Nodes

...anyways, here's the rectified chart and I'll get to the explanation of it... I want to do the presentation thoroughly...or as thoroughly as I feel this venue is due my efforts. If I were writing this for a book, or na article for a magazine with enough subscribers, then I'd go all out.
As you members are all astrologers yourselves, you should be able to fill in any gaps you think are necessary for your own understanding.. for your own satisfaction.

[I don't mean any disrespect to AW, I'm thankful it exists and has been so tolerant with me in allowing me to participate and bending the rules at times for me to be able to explain and demonstrate certain facts, theories, and so forth. But, at the same time, I've not gotten much encouragement from the admin. and moderators over the years either... and had my share of reprimands too, at times... although most of those are well in the past.

Change is awfully hard for many people to accept, especially when it concerns the tools of their trade... even when said tools are inefficient or useless to begin with... as they still mange to put bread on the table, and even if it is a meager amount of bread, it does beat starving.
If given it some thought that I should use as a 'motto"...
"Walking, crawling, or wheeling, if they don't come along willing, I'll drag them along squealing."]


Joe-Biden-8-17-35-rect-natal.png


...and the specific data...

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david starling

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Two mentally unfit candidates for President in 2020! Even more interesting!

Could be the plan all along--use Biden to get Warren into the Presidency.
 
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Dirius

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Problem for either Bernie or Biden is that they will be entering the presidential race with a divided party - which is a never a good sign a victory for them.
 
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