Perhaps not older or younger partners, but any highly-troubled relationships? Does the partner have a burdened life? If you want to share your chart, one could understand it better. Saturn has to play a role in a house!
So, how does a Venus ruled Asc with Jup on it pan out? Are you large-statured? Very jovial? Or both?
Partner with a burdened life: check. I don't think I've ever dated anyone who didn't have some kind of major burden in their life. I think all of my relationships have involved a mutual need for plenty of nurturing, and the people I've drawn in have been ones who both needed it and gave it (sometimes more one than the other, and which one was more has gone both ways). Seventh house Cancer Saturn, much?
When I made that first post, I was thinking of people getting down on themselves, although it morphed into thinking of outright self hatred. There are many levels of being down on yourself, from simple self criticism to outright self loathing. I suppose we could be talking about all of them.
True. And while I don't have most of the aspects you mentioned, I do have several of the chart factors that jkxx74 posted about:
If Chiron is conjunct Jupiter that is a rather good aspect to have for it as are the trines to the remaining planets - this would translate into being able to handle Chiron philosophically and find the way it manifests meaningful, perhaps with a desire to teach others what you have learned through Chironic experiences. Chiron trine Sun would be translated as a talent for helping other people "unfold" in terms of their core personality which is quite valuable. It brings me back to wondering about Chiron's supposed lesson for oneself, as it first and foremost tends to express itself around others and not self. Chiron-IC would seem to indicate the importance of resolving Chiron themes from the past as a better way of handling the future, although it can have other intepretations as H4-H10 are the two parent houses.
Both of these and they fit quite literally. At first glance it's the 5 planets in Saturn's sign combined with Saturn placed in its own house in Scorpio and exactly opposing the North Node - combined with Venus square Uranus with a 0 degree orb and adding the 5H Chiron into the picture. Although I have read having "connection" planets in the 12th adds to this as well as the 12th does not allow an easy exchange with the outside world. Sun square Pluto is mentioned as adding to this as well and some of the interpretations fit here as well. One other factor would be the way planets are lined up in the chart so the outer planets are all placed behind the personal ones such that they will all conjunct the personal planets, some of them pretty early on.
This is true for sure but it is also one of Saturn's tricks - making one believe a situation is set in stone and only one outcome is likely or possible. Or take Pluto's version where there are only two outcomes - a great and an awful one and it just makes sense to pick one and run with it.
Interesting!
I see how those might be related to self esteem issues. But what, do you think, leads you to make those issues about your looks or people (not) liking you, rather than about your abilities or competence?
I am going way out on a limb but I'll try it - the Sun-Jupiter conjunct is fiery and placed in a fire house (Mars' house) so that duo would like to play by fiery rules - but it's placed in Cap and aspecting the chart ruler Saturn. Saturn is in a very bad place where it is, and by some accounts it might even be peregrine - but I'd love to get confirmation of this from someone knowledgeable. So to start with Saturn is telling Sun-Jup to go have fun with itself and as a powerful planet it has some authority - thus the 1st house planets are canceled out. From there you have to rely on other planets, and the next logical choice is Venus.
So you have your sun in the first house? That sounds like some correlation with Leo rising, even though you don't actually have Leo rising.
What you said about Chiron, I don't think I can see for myself, probably because I'm living it. Help other people unfold in terms of their core personality? Maybe I can do that as an astrologer. Maybe I've done it already and don't know. I do have one story coming to mind:
World of hurt, I can certainly see. The "wounds that don't heal" seems even more profound. But I would rephrase the "but if accepted part," because it can easily be interpreted in a Saturn trickster way: you have to accept hating yourself because that's a wound that won't heal, no matter what. Instead, I would call it a wound that is always in the process of healing. It's healing to be in the process of healing, even if the healing is never complete.
