Lenzites betulina
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Why do you quote the words "I", "me", and "mine"? You ARE in a physical body, residing in the physical realm.
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Why do you quote the words "I", "me", and "mine"? You ARE in a physical body, residing in the physical realm.
JUPITERASC
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Exactly. For your own personal safety and welfare, best idea is to consult an expert practitioner
mrdecc
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To answer your first query, we use quotes because we are back together and 'I' is preferable to 'we' as it appears more familiar, the process of 'unification' is an ongoing one and may result in 'I' and, 'me and 'mine' no longer being required, it is a personal thing that serves to remind us of our union. It is possible that eventually we will no longer need to be reminded and we can use terms such as 'I' and 'Me without the quotes freely and not lose ourselves.
As far as your statement goes, you do not know us, you only know of your life and your experiences, you are not fit to pass judgement on any save yourself.
Lenzites betulina
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Who is "us"?
I accept your statement about judgement. However, you ARE in physical reality, whether or not you are an 'I' or a 'we'. This is a fact and not a judgement. And asking questions is only an attempt to better understand where you are coming from.
But - if it is a personal thing, why do you broadcast it to the general public, rather than keeping it personal? Please accept that if you are going to broadcast personal things to the public, you are going to warrant attention to them. Perhaps others don't openly ask, but they're definitely asking in their minds.
If you still have a personality, as entailed by the use of the word "personal", then wouldn't there not be any qualms with using the word "I" or "we"?
And if you feel these words should not be used to describe yourself, why not just omit them from your written communication all together?
In the past, I taught myself to write without those words, feeling that too much emphasis on those words was egotistical. It was good practice, as it stretched the mind, and it wasn't necessarily difficult. I have since come to terms with words such as "I".
Also, if you are trying to transcend terms like "I", then why do you place such a strong emphasis upon them?
And if you feel that "us" is the way you want to identify yourself or selves to the public, don't you think that it would be a good idea to be prepared for questioning and even possible stigmatization for doing so? You do realize that you are readily inviting questioning, don't you?
I am not trying to stigmatize you, but other people may. If you are perceiving these questions as stigmatizations, than that is your choice. I'm speaking with honesty and asking for it in return. I'd like to understand where you, us, or whatever you want to call yourself are coming from and why. Meanwhile, I will maintain my position that you, me, and everybody else on this forum share one thing in common. We are all members of the physical reality, whether we like it or not.
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JUPITERASC
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Kundalini literally means coiled. In yoga, a "corporeal energy"[1] - an unconscious, instinctive or libidinal force or Shakti, lies coiled at the base of the spine. It is envisioned either as a goddess or else as a sleeping serpent, hence a number of English renderings of the term such as "serpent power". It is reported that kundalini awakening results in deep meditation, enlightenment and bliss. In practical terms, one of the most commonly reported Kundalini experiences is the feeling of an electric current running along the spine. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kundalini
Swami Vivekananda describes kundalini as follows
“There are two nerve currents in spinal column, called Pingalâ and Idâ, and a hollow canal called Sushumnâ running through the spinal cord. At lower end of hollow canal is the 'Lotus of the Kundalini', described as triangular in form in which, SYMBOLICALLY a power called the Kundalini, is coiled. When Kundalini awakes, it tries to force a passage through this hollow canal: as it rises, layer after layer of mind becomes open, visions and wonderful powers come to the Yogi. When it reaches the brain, the Yogi is detached from body and mind: the soul finds itself free.....”
“Spinal cord is like figure eight horizontally (∞) two parts connected in middle. Adding eight after eight vertically, represents spinal cord. Left Ida, right Pingala, hollow canal through centre called Sushumna. Spinal cord ends in fine fibre, canal runs up within that fibre, but much finer. Canal is closed at lower end, near triangular sacral plexus. When kundalini Shakti is conceived as goddess, when it rises to the head, it unites itself with the Supreme Being (Lord Shiva). Then the aspirant becomes engrossed in deep meditation, infinite bliss...”
mrdecc
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'I' understand, explanations are in order. 'I' collapsed on January the 1st 2013, 'I' was unable to speak, 'I' could not move without assistance and 'I' was prone to drooling. 'I' was spending a lot of time in the dark as I could not tolerate the light, 'I' found 'myself' sleeping a lot, 'I' was only awake for a few hours in a day. 'I' am now after approximately 40 days able to spend little time with 'my' family and tolerate low levels of light, this was very hard on 'my' loved ones and on the surface it seemed selfish of 'me' to work toward this goal. As you may or may not be able to imagine when you spend that amount of time unconscious you become aware of things previously you had no inkling of. One of those things was a growing awareness of 'my' other half, that is to say 'my' subconscious mind as an entity much the same way as 'my' conscious mind is an entity that you are now conversing with. Now 'I' am acutely aware of the presence of the other in all that 'I' do, it/she/he does not feel separate from 'me', nor does it/she/he seem to have independent thoughts from 'me' rather it/she/he seems to round 'me' out and augments 'my' thoughts.
'I' am not trying to transcend "I", it is a matter of not feeling like an "I" at all. In daily life it jars when 'I' have to use "I" when speaking as it feels more natural to say 'us' and 'our'.
It is irrelevant to me that 'my' physical body occupies a physical realm, 'I' do not associate totally with a physical vehicle, it is a part only.
Lenzites betulina
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'I' am now after approximately 40 days able to spend little time with 'my' family and tolerate low levels of light, this was very hard on 'my' loved ones and on the surface it seemed selfish of 'me' to work toward this goal.
I am unclear on what your specified goal is here? Are you trying to tolerate higher levels of light and familial contact, or further reinforce the results of your collapse(the split perception of your own consciousness)? Please clarify this for me.
It is irrelevant to me that 'my' physical body occupies a physical realm, 'I' do not associate totally with a physical vehicle, it is a part only.
Parts are relevant. My toe is a part of me, but not myself in its entirety. I do not necessarily identify with my toe so much, but having reasonably healthy toes grants me the ability to walk with relative ease. Have you ever broke a toe? I have. You would be suprised how important a tiny little toe is. It took three days to teach myself how to walk with a broken toe. Until then I could barely stumble.
Even though I don't necessarily identify with my toe, I would be rather distraught if somebody cut it off. As my toe is a part of me, if it were taken away, I would not be whole. The whole is more than the sum of the parts, but in order to have a whole that is greater than the sum, one must have the corresponding and constituent parts to create that whole. If one severs themselves from their respective parts, how can they expect to acheive wholeness?
The body is a tool. Just as a shovel can be used to tend to a garden and create life, as well as to hit somebody on the head and bury them alive, the inherent goodness or badness of most tools(outside of advanced weaponry) depends upon the application. But, if you don't use your tools, you will never get anything accomplished at all. My garden will not tend itself. If I allow my garden tools to sit in the toolshed for years on end, my garden will become that of blight. If I decide to fix this twenty years later, I may find that the wooden handles have rotted, or the metal has rusted and my tool no longer works to acheive what it was made for.
If your body were not relevant, you would have not been incarnated into the physical realm.
I am unclear on what your specified goal is here? Are you trying to tolerate higher levels of light and familial contact, or further reinforce the results of your collapse(the split perception of your own consciousness)? Please clarify this for me.
It is irrelevant to me that 'my' physical body occupies a physical realm, 'I' do not associate totally with a physical vehicle, it is a part only.
Parts are relevant. My toe is a part of me, but not myself in its entirety. I do not necessarily identify with my toe so much, but having reasonably healthy toes grants me the ability to walk with relative ease. Have you ever broke a toe? I have. You would be suprised how important a tiny little toe is. It took three days to teach myself how to walk with a broken toe. Until then I could barely stumble.
Even though I don't necessarily identify with my toe, I would be rather distraught if somebody cut it off. As my toe is a part of me, if it were taken away, I would not be whole. The whole is more than the sum of the parts, but in order to have a whole that is greater than the sum, one must have the corresponding and constituent parts to create that whole. If one severs themselves from their respective parts, how can they expect to acheive wholeness?
The body is a tool. Just as a shovel can be used to tend to a garden and create life, as well as to hit somebody on the head and bury them alive, the inherent goodness or badness of most tools(outside of advanced weaponry) depends upon the application. But, if you don't use your tools, you will never get anything accomplished at all. My garden will not tend itself. If I allow my garden tools to sit in the toolshed for years on end, my garden will become that of blight. If I decide to fix this twenty years later, I may find that the wooden handles have rotted, or the metal has rusted and my tool no longer works to acheive what it was made for.
If your body were not relevant, you would have not been incarnated into the physical realm.
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Neptune Rising
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I totally agree, having go through various types of mediation, finally settling naturally on the breath awareness meditation. At the moment, its the only thing that keeps me anchored to this planet in this body.
Neptune Rising
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Yes usually with guidance of an experienced person. As everyone else agrees, you cannot do this on your own. I've heard about people having mental breakdowns who had no idea of the spiritual process they were going through. If it is kundalini, these are suggestions.
You say you went to the doctor and they said everything was fine. That is a pretty broad statement. Did they test your blood, for example?
mrdecc
Premium Member
The specified goal was to break down programming set in early childhood, the awareness of the 'other' as an entity was unexpected. In 'my' world the body/mind is the 'prima materia', the living environment is the alembic and furnace with life itself playing the role of fire, all interactions are the flame that heats and transforms the body/mind, currently you are the flame. 'I' did not expect a full on collapse, but 'I' knew something was on the way.'I' had been hitting the yoga really hard together with yoga nidra for the majority of 2011 and 2012 in addition to my occult studies so 'I' figured that there would be repercussions. 'I' was not as surprised as you may think by 'my' body shutting down, 'I' was warned in a dream Dec 16, the vision was 'I' was given a full frontal lobotomy replete with real time experience of drooling and inability to communicate., naturally 'I' was a bit worried about that one, but the tarot cards reassured 'me' that all will work out in the very end, so 'I' gave it no more thought.
'I' do not think that mental,neurological and physical disabilities are separate from spiritual growth, 'I' believe they are a necessary part of the process,
'I' am not as attached to 'my' body as you appear to be, no amount of pointing out how attached we our to our physical frame will alter this.
Lenzites betulina
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Your dream sounds rather frightening.
I will no longer attempt to convince you of anything you do not want to be a part of.
However, your perception that I am attached to my body is erroneous. I am only aware of the complications involved with ungroundedness. These complications range from obstacles in daily life, hinderences in the quest for truth, interference from the lower astral, and a death in which the soul knows not up from down, and therefore has difficulty navigating when outside of the body. Being ungrounded is like being a balloon full of helium, allowing the slightest breeze to carry one to far off lands. A helium balloon has no influence upon which direction it is headed. It may land in either paradise or hell and to float like that is a gamble. I simply value the ability to be self-directed.
I will no longer attempt to convince you of anything you do not want to be a part of.
However, your perception that I am attached to my body is erroneous. I am only aware of the complications involved with ungroundedness. These complications range from obstacles in daily life, hinderences in the quest for truth, interference from the lower astral, and a death in which the soul knows not up from down, and therefore has difficulty navigating when outside of the body. Being ungrounded is like being a balloon full of helium, allowing the slightest breeze to carry one to far off lands. A helium balloon has no influence upon which direction it is headed. It may land in either paradise or hell and to float like that is a gamble. I simply value the ability to be self-directed.
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mrdecc
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'My' dream life is rich, 'I' have been killed a few times which is always interesting.
'I' see, not being grounded, a hearty sex life and a good laugh take care of that.
Thank you for the exchange.
JUPITERASC
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Dreams are intriguing!
QUOTE:
"To dream that you have been killed suggests that your actions are disconnected from your emotions and conscience.
The dream refers to drastic changes that you are trying to make.
There is a characteristic that you want to get rid of or a habit that you want to end within yourself.
Killing represents the killing off of the old parts and old habits.
Alternatively, the dream represents feelings of being let down or betrayed by someone in your waking life and feeling overwhelmed, shocked and disappointed"
source: A - Z Dream Dictionary http://www.dreammoods.com/
mrdecc
Premium Member
Dreams are intriguing!
QUOTE:
"To dream that you have been killed suggests that your actions are disconnected from your emotions and conscience.
The dream refers to drastic changes that you are trying to make.
There is a characteristic that you want to get rid of or a habit that you want to end within yourself.
Killing represents the killing off of the old parts and old habits.
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That's very interesting , 'I' have written my dreams down for years, one of the times 'I' was killed, 'I' was had been working on trying to change how my 'dream self' reacted to stimuli, it bothered me greatly that the 'dream self' was prone to extreme violence, rampant sexual conduct and fear. So over time little threads of lucidity bled into the dream environment, the first chance 'I' got to throw myself at the mercy of 'demon' resulted very favourably, naturally 'my' dream body was brutally murdered finally culminating in 'my' face being chewed off, 'I' merely floated above and watched.
'My' whole life is dedicated to drastic change.
JUPITERASC
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Unlikely and unbelievable at it may seem these kinds of events have been reported on news reports mrdecc, for example just a year ago a homeless man had his face chewed off in Miami. Evidence in the form of news reports made at that time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zw3mQD2eZHo
Update From Hospital As the Homeless Man Gradually Recovered http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5gGTPlHuHw
retinoid
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They did yes. I mean it could be biological, I am not denying this. But it is odd that it occurs coincidentally at these 'moments'. Sometimes it can happen when I am upset as well.
Sweet Pea
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The seizures sound like what are called kriyas and are a symptom of kundalini activation.
You can read about them near the bottom of this symptoms page on this very useful website (explore the links down the left hand side).
http://biologyofkundalini.com/article.php?story=ExploringtheSymptoms&query=kriyas
You can read about them near the bottom of this symptoms page on this very useful website (explore the links down the left hand side).
http://biologyofkundalini.com/article.php?story=ExploringtheSymptoms&query=kriyas
retinoid
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kriyas are seizure type impulses related to certain neurotransmitters and areas in the brain. Traditionally it was thought kriyas were purifying movements or cleansing actions revealing blocks to the flow of kundalini. They say that yoga arose through observing the various spontaneously arising positions (asanas) created by kriyas. I think this might be partly the case...whether a voluntary complying with the way the energy wants to go, or involuntary compulsory asanas
Wow! There were times where I began to contort and move my arms without conscious thought (I just went with it and let this involuntary movement go) and it was in weird yoga like movements. I never did yoga in my life and still have not seen any poses. Once I hurt my neck because I 'moved' in a certain position. Again I didn't do it consciously and if I resisted I would begin to twitch a lot. Very weird that it mentions yoga could have been founded this way! I literally did yogic poses and twisted and such with no meaning or thought about which poses. My right arm for instance moved in movements and then my left arm made very similar complex movements without me even paying attention. My friend was in the room when this was happening and said maybe I was possessed because I was CONSCIOUS, and was talking to him but my body was moving unconsciously.
astralrabbit
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Where you listening to hemi-sync?