12th house moon doesn't chastize, usually.
Tend to wallow in emotional pools ~ resubmerging with reborn understanding and forgiveness/letting go is key to their emotional well being.
saturn conj. moon in 12th might chastize through squashing of feelings ~ playing on piscean weakness but even so, with betterment in mind. or do you mean more like flaggelation?
I don't know if its flagellation exactly - but there are immediate, severe consequences whether emotional or external. Actually, we are experiencing what Gaer described:
"...I would interpret my own 12th house experiences as incredibly intense. I can never shake a very strong feeling that "the hour of midnight is about to arrive", and by that I mean that the time for change is NOW. For me wrong actions, including any kind of cruelty or selfishness, have
immediate, powerful consequences. I literally
get sick when I lose my temper unfairly, lash out at people impatiently, or - worst of all - appoint myself judge and jury in a way that tells me I have the right to look down on other people."
"...Sort of a cold-hearted judge, condemning other people whom I did not see as worthy of being respected or deserving compassion/mercy. Everytime I go in that direction in this life,
I get totally slammed. I see other people getting away with it, although I am sure that ultimately it will destroy them too. For me it feels as though
I get no breaks in that direction, and it feels RIGHT that I don't get them. At some point we become aware of incredible faults, and ignorance is no longer a defense. We feel that they are deeply ingrained, habits, and suddenly they just don't work any more. We HAVE to change."
"...Look at my chart, then consider someone with the 12th house placements I have who is not compassionate. I think we all have to learn compassion, but I had
a mega-dose of experiences coming my way that would show me I had no choice but to change. I went through deep depression, but I coped. At about age 30, I was knocked on my butt, and in the years that followed, during the Saturn transits to my 2nd house, I felt as if everything had been taken away from me. It was a very "internal" experience."
And RIR:
"...Venus in 26°26’ Leo in the twelfth house and Virgo on the Asc.....tendencies of intolerance, arrogance, superiority, and judgment... Fortunately I have learned early on how destructive these traits can be, and I have humbled myself tremendously, although I have a ways to go still.
I receive no leniency in this area either; when I resort to these old habits,
I am immediately chastised, whereas, like you said, other people seem to get away with it. "
Also StillOne, Kimbermoon, Boogy99 and I have experienced this "instant chastising" effect. So thats why the 12th is about spiritual growth - it forces us to see the importance of compassion - and saturn shows this to us in a very harsh but very effective manner.
VestaMoon
Thanks! Yes, all of us 12th house people feel the same way about our placements - the traditional interpretations are all wrong - or maybe times and situations have changed so much that they no longer hold good. People in ancient times probably didn't have the knowledge and resources to be "compassionate, selfless, spiritual" - thats all. But if you see my post quoting chaldean astrology - they considered planets in the 12th to be the strongest and most influential in the chart. And Gauquelin also found this to be true in his statistical research. He found saturn in 12th in charts of prominent scientists and physicians. Are you a scientist or a physician or work in a scientific way?