Astrologer4U said:
You don't recall because the question was not for you. Therefore, there is nothing for *you* to recall.
I said that I don't recall anyone else saying that consentual is the same as non-consentual, because you asked this:
A4U: "Conesensual is not the same as non consentual now is it?"
My answer was simply: "But I don't recall anyone saying it is."
In other words, unless I am wrong, and please correct me if I am, no one was suggesting that the two are the same. That is like saying that being raped is the same as choosing to have sex. Which is what it is when children are forced to have sex with adults—rape.
Like you told me, you don't recall a question that was directed at someone else.
No. I said I don't recall anyone asking the question that you brought up, as if someone would argue with you about that point. I'm saying that in my opinion, based on what I have read from everyone, all our members agree that being forced into sex without consent is a terrible thing.
Well, you are directing this question at me so my response to you will be legitimate. Here is my response... I don't ever recall telling you or anyone else, not even did I imply that gay people who are in, or out of the closet, deserve any kind of ridicule.
Then perhaps you can explain this, to Kai:
A4U: "You made your choice to have consensual sex understanding that being out with your sexuality would bring you certain ridicule that you could handle, or are you in the closet?"
Are you suggesting that Kai should expect "certain ridicule that he can handle"? I'm honestly trying to understand your point. In other words, is this your view of society, and you don't agree with it? The ridicule, lack of understanding, lack of tolerance? Or are you saying that it is to be expected because being gay is wrong, something that deserves ridicule?
Just because I don't agree with people does not mean that deep down I wish them to be ridiculed.
But again, do you think that other people have the right to do so? That's the part I'm trying to clear up.
Of course not but that was not the point. You would not know or understand the point because my post was not to you.
Here is what I said: "We all know that. I don't know why you keep repeating this. No one here is defending child molesters."
I have read everything in this thread. Whether or not something was written to me has nothing to do with understanding what was said. You have repeatedly linked being gay and pedophilia. I have repeatly disagreed with your logic. I believe what you are saying is highly insulting and offensive to those people in our forum who are gay. Furthermore, I believe most of the people in this forum agree with me. If they don't, I wish they would tell me, here, or in private.
Due to your emotions, you just butted in on a conversation which would have been alright if you were responding in a way that didn't make it obvious, that you really had nothing to contribute to the conversation taking place between two people.
I'm not sure what emotions you are talking about. As far as I can tell I'm answering you politely. I am not insulting you. As for butting into a conversation, you seem not to understand the fact that this is a public forum. You are not engaged in a private conversation with Kai or anyone else. You can only do that by PM. So long as you express your views in public, even if you are specifically responding to one person with quotes, it is my right to express my views when they differ from yours.
I can go and dig up your statistics but no one has responded to the videos I dug up.
Well, they are not "my" statistics. You are the one who made the "9 out of 10" claim. Therefore they are your statistics, or the ones you claim are someone elses. So yes, if you would not mind, I'd like to know your source for that!
Kai said that he did not believe that gay people come down on other gay people for saying that they were born gay, I proved that to be wrong but no one is willing to admit to that.
Apparently Kai does not take your sources seriously, and I don't either. Maybe someone else does. You will have to come up with something more convincing than videos of a reality show, which may be engaging entertainment for some people but is hardly a reliable source for facts.
I am not here to play games, if I show proof which was requested, I should get a decent response to that. You guys don't over look things that look to be in your favor. That just let's me know that it is all about how you guys feel, not about the truth being told.
Again, we are not much impressed by videos from a rather sensationalist reality show. It is a bit like using the National Enquirer as proof that aliens are among us!
Little girls are affected much differently than boys because society promotes direct sympothy on girls who have been molested while they promote indirect ridicule on boys who have been molested.
Society "promotes indirect ridicule on boys"? And "direct sympathy on girls? That makes no sense. I don't know one single adult who has anything but incredibly sympathy for any boy who is molested. I don't know one adult who blames a child for causing such a thing, either a girl or a boy. Are you referring to other children? Children can be quite cruel. In some cases either boys or girls may be ridiculed by other children who find out about what is going on. This is yet another thing that makes sexual molestation so horrible.
It is beginning to seem to me that the problem is not that we are underestimating how painful it is for boys to go through something so horrible but rather that you are underestimating how horrible it is for girls. I've heard painful stories from both adult men and women about going through such horrors. I would not like to rate the pain in a way that makes it seem that one is less than the other, which is what you appear to be doing.
Due to this, the affects of molestation on the two different sexes don't have the same results. While there are some girls who will become gay adults due to child molestation, most of the time the girls develop a tendancy to go back and forth between male and females. Most of the girls develop into adult bi sexual females, or they become involved in dysnfunctional heterosexual relationships.
Again, I think you need to back up this statement with sources. If you provide them (but not online videos of reality shows), then I will pay attention, and so will others, most likely. Until then I continue to believe that you are stating your opinion as a fact.
