Celestial longitude is indeed a mean relationship, but only it can represent the real universal/cosmic placements of the planets independent of their natal placements (the twelve so-called houses). - https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1022545&postcount=139
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Celestial longitude is indeed a mean relationship, but only it can represent the real universal/cosmic placements of the planets independent of their natal placements (the twelve so-called houses). - https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1022545&postcount=139
david starling
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Beer is first known to have been brewed in ancient Sumeria, around 3900 B.C.E. The goddess of beer was named Ninkasi, and only female devotees of Ninkasi were allowed to make or sell the beverage.
St. Arnold is the Patron Saint of beer.
St. Arnold is the Patron Saint of beer.
david starling
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But, we are using the abstract celestial longitudinal points in Natal-charts, for both True and Mean placements along the Ecliptic.
david starling
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You can't see the Longitudinal-point position of a planet. It's the geometric intersection of a line perpendicular to the Earth's Equatorial plane and the Earth's orbital plane.
Huh? How do I see perpendicular lines to the ecliptic in Stellarium?
david starling
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Peto, I suspect most astrologers couldn't care much less about this particular discussion! 
It is important to me, however, in regard to the legitimacy of the 12/12 system.
It is important to me, however, in regard to the legitimacy of the 12/12 system.
david starling
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They're drawn into a diagram? I'm talking about actually seeing them in the sky. Same for the angles.
david starling
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But how did ancient astrologers see them without Stellarium?
They calculated them.
Are you trolling or are you developmentally challenged?
( For legal reasons that is a joke, I know david is trolling.
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david starling
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You're conceptually challenged, apparently. Just seeing planets and stars in the sky is a far cry from creating a systematic way to create an astrological configuration along the Ecliptic.
What are they calculating david? How did they obtain the necessary planetary cyclical data to have calculations - first arithmetical and second trigonometric?
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david starling
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Monk, for example, as an astronomer, dislikes the use of celestial longitude for locating the stars in what he considers a meaningful way. That's why he uses parans viewing.
Did you read my comment on why astrologers have almost always preferred ecliptical projection instead of horizontal projection, even when they all had the astronomical capability of doing so? - https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1022545&postcount=139
david starling
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What is it about the term "coordinate system" that you find so difficult to grasp?
And what do you find so difficult to grasp about longitude indicating an actual OBSERVABLE cosmic planetary position?
david starling
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Only if the planet is physically on the plane of measurement in the coordinate system of choice (astrological zodiac, for example). Otherwise, Declination is necessary to locate it visually. Same with astronomy's system of Right Ascension.
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david starling
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Here's a practical example--you see an exact conjunction of two planets along the zodiac. But, looking at them in the sky, they aren't in the exact same place. They're separated by Declination.
david starling
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As an "Ecliptical astrologer", this doesn't bother me at all. It's the measured points along the Ecliptic-based zodiac that matters most in reading a Chart. [IMO]