Finding passion in the Natal Chart
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MJ82
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An interesting article I came across a while back. Might be of interest?: http://laraowen.com/articles/astrology/the-astrology-of-passion/
As for me, I have a number of passions (but not always the grounding to act on them! - Neptune). I'm very passionate about politics, activism and social justice (Mars conjunct Pallas in the 8th, Pluto in Libra in the 8th). I'm sure Uranus (my chart ruler) conjunct my MC plays a big part too. I think many many things can indicate passion. It depends what kind of passion we're talking about... (I think I'm also a passionate lover
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As for me, I have a number of passions (but not always the grounding to act on them! - Neptune). I'm very passionate about politics, activism and social justice (Mars conjunct Pallas in the 8th, Pluto in Libra in the 8th). I'm sure Uranus (my chart ruler) conjunct my MC plays a big part too. I think many many things can indicate passion. It depends what kind of passion we're talking about... (I think I'm also a passionate lover
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I'm passionate about oversimplistic answers to ill-defined questions.
What is passion?
What is its source, what is its nature?
"The passions" embrace a wide range of feelings and drives.
Yes, I understand your question. I know what you mean. Or do I?
A passion might be a deep feeling; it might be a special interest. Do you mean "object of desire", as when a drunkard desires his wine?
The question is not so simple when you try to apply astrology to it.
Does everyone have "a passion?"
Astrology really doesn't work very well when we try to impose ourselves on it. It works much better when it can work on its own terms, and we don't try to force it. The same as a horse.
And in a way you are putting the cart before the horse. What if...we let the chart say, "This woman is passionate about needlework (or saving the environment, or eliminating pigeons from the church belfry)" instead of trying to pigeonhole "passion" to some locus in the horoscope and stuffing it in there whether it fits or not?
What is passion?
What is its source, what is its nature?
"The passions" embrace a wide range of feelings and drives.
Yes, I understand your question. I know what you mean. Or do I?
A passion might be a deep feeling; it might be a special interest. Do you mean "object of desire", as when a drunkard desires his wine?
The question is not so simple when you try to apply astrology to it.
Does everyone have "a passion?"
Astrology really doesn't work very well when we try to impose ourselves on it. It works much better when it can work on its own terms, and we don't try to force it. The same as a horse.
And in a way you are putting the cart before the horse. What if...we let the chart say, "This woman is passionate about needlework (or saving the environment, or eliminating pigeons from the church belfry)" instead of trying to pigeonhole "passion" to some locus in the horoscope and stuffing it in there whether it fits or not?
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Ok, "passionate about astrology" ---
And here's where we run into the problem of a "single locus" for describing anything in astrology. My "passion for astrology" is not to be found in any single significator. Not in the 5th house, the 8th house, the sign of Scorpio, the planet Mars...
Astrology is composed of several "sets" of symbols: signs, houses, planets, aspects....
Astrology claims that, within the limits of its symbolic nature, it can describe the qualities of anything that is born, human beings and their affairs being its principal interest.
Human beings are arguably the most complex organism in the universe known to man. It follows that astrology must, in its workings, have a comparable degree of difficulty or sophistication.
The "passion for astrology" is not indicated by any single significator, but by the sum of many symbols. It is the whole chart. And then all you get is a symbolic "pointing toward", and not a specific statement. Compare my chart (passion for astrology) with any other chart (passion for astrology) and you will see two entirely different charts.
So, if your approach to astrology is to pick up a chart and say "I will now describe your passion in life," and then proceed post haste to the 5th house....well, lotsa luck.
And here's where we run into the problem of a "single locus" for describing anything in astrology. My "passion for astrology" is not to be found in any single significator. Not in the 5th house, the 8th house, the sign of Scorpio, the planet Mars...
Astrology is composed of several "sets" of symbols: signs, houses, planets, aspects....
Astrology claims that, within the limits of its symbolic nature, it can describe the qualities of anything that is born, human beings and their affairs being its principal interest.
Human beings are arguably the most complex organism in the universe known to man. It follows that astrology must, in its workings, have a comparable degree of difficulty or sophistication.
The "passion for astrology" is not indicated by any single significator, but by the sum of many symbols. It is the whole chart. And then all you get is a symbolic "pointing toward", and not a specific statement. Compare my chart (passion for astrology) with any other chart (passion for astrology) and you will see two entirely different charts.
So, if your approach to astrology is to pick up a chart and say "I will now describe your passion in life," and then proceed post haste to the 5th house....well, lotsa luck.
MJ82
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Caro
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you could look to mars in the chart as 'a starter for 10.'
my mars in 12th house from an early age I was penning letters to 'MP's; about human rights and joined amnesty international. (mars in libra)
to find what awakens your whole chart is a great thing.
Im also a scorpio asc but not as scarey as Moog.
astrodienst also has a forum. people are a little more into chat over on that site!
my mars in 12th house from an early age I was penning letters to 'MP's; about human rights and joined amnesty international. (mars in libra)
to find what awakens your whole chart is a great thing.
Im also a scorpio asc but not as scarey as Moog.
astrodienst also has a forum. people are a little more into chat over on that site!
Your question is valid.
But it needs thought, polishing...
A chart might show that the person tends to lean toward things that go Boom
Or is clinging, and thus prone to collecting Barbie dolls
If the whole-tone of the chart is conservative, cautious....you are not likely to find a race car driver or antarctic explorer.
Bruce Lee's chart had Mars as final dispositor, Mars the Warrior. There's his passion....Mars was in Scorpio (Purification). There's his passion. Other things in the chart continue to modify, to refine, to specify......until finally the astrologer's intuitive mind (which largely works on accumulated experience) is quite likely to "see" what the passion is, that is, the life purpose.
The word "passion" comes from the Middle Latin passio, which directly refers to the Passion of Jesus, and thus came to signify "sacrifice, suffering".....and then it came to be applied to the sexual and other passions. Therefore, a "passion" is, in a sense, "what you would sacrifice yourself to, would die for."
On dog on the trail of a ***** in heat is oblivious to all around him. There is only one thing that concerns him, and he would die for it. Passion.
The heat of anger: you see red and there is nothing in the world but the object of your anger and the anger itself. The passion consumes you.
The Bhagavad Gita says that if a man truly worships a god, and makes sacrifice to that god, then that god will reward him. This is passion. What consumes you, what you are willing to sacrifice yourself to and suffer for, that is your passion. It is the passion of love, of loving so much you give yourself to it, lose yourself in it.
And the horoscope does show this passion. But it won't be found in the way you were looking for it.
The "seer" must see the whole. Once you have taught yourself to do this, then you will be able to see the parts (whatever sort of detail you want) and understand them in relation to the whole.
But it needs thought, polishing...
A chart might show that the person tends to lean toward things that go Boom
Or is clinging, and thus prone to collecting Barbie dolls
If the whole-tone of the chart is conservative, cautious....you are not likely to find a race car driver or antarctic explorer.
Bruce Lee's chart had Mars as final dispositor, Mars the Warrior. There's his passion....Mars was in Scorpio (Purification). There's his passion. Other things in the chart continue to modify, to refine, to specify......until finally the astrologer's intuitive mind (which largely works on accumulated experience) is quite likely to "see" what the passion is, that is, the life purpose.
The word "passion" comes from the Middle Latin passio, which directly refers to the Passion of Jesus, and thus came to signify "sacrifice, suffering".....and then it came to be applied to the sexual and other passions. Therefore, a "passion" is, in a sense, "what you would sacrifice yourself to, would die for."
On dog on the trail of a ***** in heat is oblivious to all around him. There is only one thing that concerns him, and he would die for it. Passion.
The heat of anger: you see red and there is nothing in the world but the object of your anger and the anger itself. The passion consumes you.
The Bhagavad Gita says that if a man truly worships a god, and makes sacrifice to that god, then that god will reward him. This is passion. What consumes you, what you are willing to sacrifice yourself to and suffer for, that is your passion. It is the passion of love, of loving so much you give yourself to it, lose yourself in it.
And the horoscope does show this passion. But it won't be found in the way you were looking for it.
The "seer" must see the whole. Once you have taught yourself to do this, then you will be able to see the parts (whatever sort of detail you want) and understand them in relation to the whole.
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IleneK
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Hello, greybeard.
While it is our aspiration to see the whole, when we are learning, many of us are not capable of doing so.
Most of us begin by learning the parts, and after a lot of time and effort, it may coalesce into seeing the whole. Without denying the importance of seeing the whole chart, I think the overarching intent of this thread is to accumulate the tools to do so.
Very kind regards,
Back to the original question
Getting back to the original question....
Were you speaking about yourself? About what you are passionate about? I would assume that you already know what you are passionate about.
But many of us are passionate about many things, and this passion can connect to many different activities. For example, I am kind of passionate about helping others. If I wasn't, I wouldn't have been able to dedicate 40 years of my life helping children, and adults to help children.
I don't do that now, so I am passionate about helping others using the skills that I still have without working directly with children, since I am no longer in a position to do that.
So are you looking to find passion in a central part of living? If this is the case, most people's passion turns out to be their best vocational aptitude.
Is this what you are talking about?
Z
Getting back to the original question....
Were you speaking about yourself? About what you are passionate about? I would assume that you already know what you are passionate about.
But many of us are passionate about many things, and this passion can connect to many different activities. For example, I am kind of passionate about helping others. If I wasn't, I wouldn't have been able to dedicate 40 years of my life helping children, and adults to help children.
I don't do that now, so I am passionate about helping others using the skills that I still have without working directly with children, since I am no longer in a position to do that.
So are you looking to find passion in a central part of living? If this is the case, most people's passion turns out to be their best vocational aptitude.
Is this what you are talking about?
Z
tsmall
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Well, my second house is Scorpio, I have Mars exalted in 4th, and I can honestly say that while I enjoy the things that support the body (and you know, keep me alive) I'm not all that passionate about them. Like, I am happy that I make enough to keep the lights on and the wolves at bay, but other than that? Enh.
I think the other posters who have asked basically passion re what exactly have it right. We can look for passion as pertains to vocation or calling at the ASC and MC, but it is possible for people to have other passions. Again for me personally, I'm passionate about equality, and justice. Could that be Jupiter clinging to the ASC? Probably. I am passionate about the people in my life, my partners (yes those kinds of partners)..could that be Aries as the 7th, with Spirit and Fortune there, ruled by that same exalted Mars in 4th? Probably...the list can go on.
StillOne, can you maybe define the specific passion you are looking for? I think you hit it right in correlating your passion not to Scorpio, but to the 5th...though again it takes a lot of looking...
If "passion" is synonymous with "calling" then I would still look at the MC. But we can be passionate in a lot of ways, about a lot of things. And that can change over time (or over minutes, lol.)
OK... I think I understand, but you are not asking too much from astrology. IMO, most astrologers need more of a big picture on the human predicament. But unless the astrologer had been in a counseling practice helping people over a long term, rather just one session, to deal with life problems, then they would not know how to answer your question except in a piecemeal way.
What you are asking is a variation of the most important question that I always lead out any chart analysis(the word reading makes it sound like a simple reading of a book).
IMO...the first thing every astrologer should ask and the first thing every astrologer should tell a new client is how they deal with change and how they should improve their dealing with it. Its my first Quotient. People who tend to launch into new things with gusto and abandon are people who deal with change in a very very positive way, and tend to look pretty passionate.
People who are afraid of change or look at every new change as something totally new or as a personal danger to their status quo, will not look passionate about anything, and thus look passive as you've described it. However, they may channel their passions into finely focused efforts which have less of a chance of failure, which are not as visible in the life.
My Notebook has more than 30 pages of possible measurements for identifying this in a client. It is exceedingly important for me to look at this first. The reason is to give me a clear idea of how my "wild and crazy" ideas are likely to impinge on the client. All astrology is by nature wild and crazy compared to other kinds of help such as psychological counseling.
Knowing this piece of information will help me figure out ways to bring more passion into the individual's life, or, and just as important, to find ways the for person to reduce an overly passionate lifestyle.
I could go on with this and share some of the beginning ways to look at this, but I won't do it unless asked to do so.
What you are asking is a variation of the most important question that I always lead out any chart analysis(the word reading makes it sound like a simple reading of a book).
IMO...the first thing every astrologer should ask and the first thing every astrologer should tell a new client is how they deal with change and how they should improve their dealing with it. Its my first Quotient. People who tend to launch into new things with gusto and abandon are people who deal with change in a very very positive way, and tend to look pretty passionate.
People who are afraid of change or look at every new change as something totally new or as a personal danger to their status quo, will not look passionate about anything, and thus look passive as you've described it. However, they may channel their passions into finely focused efforts which have less of a chance of failure, which are not as visible in the life.
My Notebook has more than 30 pages of possible measurements for identifying this in a client. It is exceedingly important for me to look at this first. The reason is to give me a clear idea of how my "wild and crazy" ideas are likely to impinge on the client. All astrology is by nature wild and crazy compared to other kinds of help such as psychological counseling.
Knowing this piece of information will help me figure out ways to bring more passion into the individual's life, or, and just as important, to find ways the for person to reduce an overly passionate lifestyle.
I could go on with this and share some of the beginning ways to look at this, but I won't do it unless asked to do so.
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mrdecc
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Mars in 9, I am and always have been passionate about the occult sciences, philosophy and religion. I can talk for hours about the above topics. Mars in cap I tend to go more for the traditional aspects of the topics thus traditional astrology, yoga, Jewish kabbalah as opposed to hermetic qabala ( which I have naturally studied also ). Apart from that, nothing gets the passion flowing as strongly except if you factor in adult relations, but that's another kind of passion entirely.
AllanBeau
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I don't know exactly what I am passionate about. People seem to tell me i'm an intense person but I don't see it lol
Scorpio rules over my 3rd house
Pluto in Scorpio trine Sun/Mars in Cancer sextile Moon in Virgo, Neptune in Capricorn.
I also got Saturn and South Node in Scorpio.
I guess I have a passion for daily interactions. I LOVE to talk and hear my own voice. Is that a bad thing? I got Venus in Taurus God gave me a mouth piece to use. I talk to people for hours at a time. A few of my friends text me all day long. Can have endless debates with anybody about pretty much any subject. I'm like an embodiment of the Brain Quest Cards if you remember them. I know every random, useless fact. If its about dead, old knowledge I probably know it. Example my love of Astrology lol and mythology.
Got an uncanny ability to see others motives. And love giving advice to other people. I like to travel and talk to people from all over the globe. One Nation World! I've traveled all over the US and have met people from all different walks of life. I like to listen to other peoples stories. Like the feeling it brings others to listen to them. I don't mind hearing peoples troubles and I don't judge other people....As I know I ain't perfect myself. I have done a lot of messed up things in my life.
I want to experience though my senses. I'm passionate about the simple things in life. Seeing a smile on somebodies face, enjoying a good meal. Spiritual fulfillment and a complete sense of self-worth are important too. It's those moments... when something touches you, something opens up something that you didn't realize before, you feel a longing, you know, that you never felt before - the human experience I'm passionate about. I care deeply about a lot of people in my inner circle.
I'm really not passionate about material pursuits.
Scorpio rules over my 3rd house
Pluto in Scorpio trine Sun/Mars in Cancer sextile Moon in Virgo, Neptune in Capricorn.
I also got Saturn and South Node in Scorpio.
I guess I have a passion for daily interactions. I LOVE to talk and hear my own voice. Is that a bad thing? I got Venus in Taurus God gave me a mouth piece to use. I talk to people for hours at a time. A few of my friends text me all day long. Can have endless debates with anybody about pretty much any subject. I'm like an embodiment of the Brain Quest Cards if you remember them. I know every random, useless fact. If its about dead, old knowledge I probably know it. Example my love of Astrology lol and mythology.
Got an uncanny ability to see others motives. And love giving advice to other people. I like to travel and talk to people from all over the globe. One Nation World! I've traveled all over the US and have met people from all different walks of life. I like to listen to other peoples stories. Like the feeling it brings others to listen to them. I don't mind hearing peoples troubles and I don't judge other people....As I know I ain't perfect myself. I have done a lot of messed up things in my life.
I want to experience though my senses. I'm passionate about the simple things in life. Seeing a smile on somebodies face, enjoying a good meal. Spiritual fulfillment and a complete sense of self-worth are important too. It's those moments... when something touches you, something opens up something that you didn't realize before, you feel a longing, you know, that you never felt before - the human experience I'm passionate about. I care deeply about a lot of people in my inner circle.
I'm really not passionate about material pursuits.
AllanBeau
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An interesting article I came across a while back. Might be of interest?: http://laraowen.com/articles/astrology/the-astrology-of-passion/
As for me, I have a number of passions (but not always the grounding to act on them! - Neptune). I'm very passionate about politics, activism and social justice (Mars conjunct Pallas in the 8th, Pluto in Libra in the 8th). I'm sure Uranus (my chart ruler) conjunct my MC plays a big part too. I think many many things can indicate passion. It depends what kind of passion we're talking about... (I think I'm also a passionate lover
I enjoyed that artice very much MJ82. Thanks~
Nadineday
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Savy response, I like that. I have many passions but I am loaded with
attributes as well as 
in the first house.My passions range from little babies/dancing/Karate/Sex/Music/Psychology/Astrology/ any ology,
ha, just kidding. Furthermore, my 3rd house cusp is
which I was just asking myself the other day about it's significance. The reason being, my 2nd house stellium Scorpio/Libra is packed with delineation, rulership ,debilities, trines, squares, mutual receptions and don't forget the conjunct's it's like a party in the house. O.K I am very silly. Seriously though, I neglected the cusp and ventured north. Well with my ruling 2nd house so packed, discovering my values have been a life long journey. I utilize many avenues in order to give meaning to my life and the life I offer in this world.But in loo of this thread I realize
on my 3rd cusp fuels my fire for writing and education.. I love writing and am finally getting cleaner with grammar. So my passion is life and the journey one goes through within the ebb and flow of existing and transforming in a courageous humbling manner. I detest shallow values and cowardice attitudes that come from pride. But, it is part of the ebb and flow..LIFE.
It makes sense I would think this way with so much ;scorpio: energy flowing along with the rest of the water crew! I realize this thread could be old but oh well it was fun and a good conversation starter, thanks Stillone! What does your name imply or mean, anyway?
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