Signs with best and worse reputations

freedomlover

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Arian Maverick said:
"I suppose Arians can be blamed for this, but keep in mind that many people resent leaders. Indeed, the word was used as an insult to me in another thread; the user implied that to consider oneself as a leader is to be an incurable egotist incapable of considering others' needs."

This is my take on Arian leadership and why it sometimes gets a bad rap: It needs to be balanced with it's polarity, Libra. To me, Libra balancing the Aries leadership adds the element of "for the highest good of all" to it. This makes for true leadership. I believe Aries leadership had gotten a bad rap because of the tendency in some to not consider others, and therefore have no Libra balance.
 

Arian Maverick

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This is my take on Arian leadership and why it sometimes gets a bad rap: It needs to be balanced with it's polarity, Libra. To me, Libra balancing the Aries leadership adds the element of "for the highest good of all" to it. This makes for true leadership. I believe Aries leadership had gotten a bad rap because of the tendency in some to not consider others, and therefore have no Libra balance.

Couldn't this be said of every sign of the zodiac? I have difficulty accepting why the inherent nature of some signs must be repressed for fear of ridicule, while others are encouraged to develop their sensitivity, compassion, etc.

Arian Maverick
 

freedomlover

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Yes, Mav. I do think it applies to all signs. I just applied it to Aries, because that's what we were talking about. This principle is a basis of my personal view of astrology. When one manifests one of the less desireable traits of a sign, I believe the answer often lies in its polarity.

Personally, Mav, I don't understand what you're talking about with the Aries stuff. But then again... I don't have an Aries stellium. ;) I seemed to detect a little offense in your post. I didn't say ALL Aries, just SOME, have the tendency to lead without a Libra balance to things. I don't have a thing against Aries people - or any other sign of the Zodiac people, for that matter.;)
 

Howl

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Mav - maybe it's because Aries/Libra is the personal and interpersonal "axis", so to speak. The signs connected to the 1H/7H. In a way, being your self and relating to others are ideas with much higher stakes attached than, for example, the Gemini/Saggie polarity that I have.

If I am seen as "too" Sagittarian, people can just laugh at me for being unrealistic, or (insert similar adjective here). At worst, they'll get offended because they see me careless, unreliable or opinionated. It hasn't got the same sting to it, even for me without the Aries stellium, as the idea of being incapable of getting along with others (NOT saying that anyone has thought or said this about you or to you! Just pointing out that the "worst" accusation attached to Aries would actually upset me more than the "worst" accusations attached to Saggie. But then, I am rather Libran :)).

My theory is that because 1H and 7H issues are SO important socially, they are the FIRST things people see and interact with. If someone has an emphasised 9H, for example, you don't run into it immediately. If you happen not to "get along" with someone elses' empahasised 9H, you can usually avoid it, more or less. Not so much with the 1H/7H axis.

So this is my theory. Aries is the sensitive point for criticism because it is the (necessary) self assertion that can challenge (also necessary) construction of harmony in social relationships. That's a more "in your face" idea for most people than the the other polarities. Don't know if this has helped at all...

I think maybe that if you personally didn't value consideration for others so highly, Aries stuff wouldn't sting.

I'm not sure that I've mananged to say anything here :) I think the lower manifestations of both Aries and Libra are more commonly "seen" than their higher manifestations. Like Missa says, Libra is often seen as glossy, surfacey and empty (picture air kissing!) rather than as the quality of being able to resolve actual conflict in a constructive, fair way. Both Arian and Libran qualities are needed in a leader :) Ugh, I am going to stop explaining things, I don't know what I'm saying, too early in the morning!

Back to bagging sun signs:

Sagittarius
Good reputation: philosophical, up for challenges
Bad reputation: exxagerates, promiscuous

Bhaha! Promiscuous! I never heard that one before :p If I am going to be accused, I could at lease be reaping the benefits :rolleyes:

Here is something that I wrote about myself, when attempting to write a full taking-the-**** chart interpretation. Ray and I were going to do a "dark side" of your chart thread..you know, serial killers and stuff. Natuarally, embodying all the poorest qualities of Saggitarius/Gemini, I never finished....

Sun in Sagittarius, conjunct Mercury and Neptune (sixth house)

Howl is a royal pain-in-the-ass. Much of this pain-in-the-ass factor stems from the fact that she is unwilling to conceive of any view incompatible with her own. Howl is consistently right, and it is much easier for her to inform you of that fact than to pretend to listen to you in the first place. Worst of all, Howl is not only convinced that she is intelligent, she also *thinks* that she is a sensitive, selfless person. Don’t try telling her otherwise. If you are uncomfortable in her presence, rest assured that she will entirely fail to notice. It is easier to allow Howl to believe that her inconsistent, delusional head-in-the-clouds approach to relating, communicating and socialising is actually of benefit to others. She might try and counsel you about your dreams, or ask inappropriate, blunt and awkward questions in a too-familiar voice about your moral convictions and the meaning of life. In truth, Howl seeks an opening in which to spew forth her own overly enthusiastic and painfully naive views on such matters. It is easiest to present her with this opportunity, nod and smile, and escape abruptly on the pretext of a desperate need to urinate.

If you must interact with Howl on a daily basis, and even worse, work with her, pay close attention. You are fortunate; chances are that her attention span fray and end before she stays in her assigned role for long enough to make YOU resign. Remember that she will probably move interstate before you are driven to do so, so just apply some patience. To make time pass less painfully, remember to constantly stimulate and praise Howl, she needs to be assured of her intelligence and skill to remain content. At best, Howl will believe that she is contributing a vitally important social service, that she alone could do so well. Well, she might do this better if she spent less time as a space cadet, vacuously creating impracticable fantasies or waffling on those freaky astrology boards. Problem is, Howl looks good on paper (you wonder how she graduated). The office always smells faintly of gin when she enters, and her unfortunate efforts at camaraderie only make you recoil. She is not funny, or meaningful, and will only make you suffer from her conviction that she is.

PS - I agree that Virgo is another unloved sign. Perhaps we need to create a Virgolover thread :D
 
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Arian Maverick

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Personally, Mav, I don't understand what you're talking about with the Aries stuff. But then again... I don't have an Aries stellium. I seemed to detect a little offense in your post. I didn't say ALL Aries, just SOME, have the tendency to lead without a Libra balance to things. I don't have a thing against Aries people - or any other sign of the Zodiac people, for that matter.

Freedomlover,

Please don't take any of my rants seriously; I'm still recovering from the Aries Moon and my insult detector has been on high-alert.

Mav - maybe it's because Aries/Libra is the personal and interpersonal "axis", so to speak. The signs connected to the 1H/7H. In a way, being your self and relating to others are ideas with much higher stakes attached than, for example, the Gemini/Saggie polarity that I have.

If I am seen as "too" Sagittarian, people can just laugh at me for being unrealistic, or (insert similar adjective here). At worst, they'll get offended because they see me careless, unreliable or opinionated. It hasn't got the same sting to it, even for me without the Aries stellium, as the idea of being incapable of getting along with others (NOT saying that anyone has thought or said this about you or to you! Just pointing out that the "worst" accusation attached to Aries would actually upset me more than the "worst" accusations attached to Saggie. But then, I am rather Libran ).

My theory is that because 1H and 7H issues are SO important socially, they are the FIRST things people see and interact with. If someone has an emphasised 9H, for example, you don't run into it immediately. If you happen not to "get along" with someone elses' empahasised 9H, you can usually avoid it, more or less. Not so much with the 1H/7H axis.

So this is my theory. Aries is the sensitive point for criticism because it is the (necessary) self assertion that can challenge (also necessary) construction of harmony in social relationships. That's a more "in your face" idea for most people than the the other polarities. Don't know if this has helped at all...

Howl,

Thank you for presenting this in a new light; your ideas make a lot of sense and your logical approach greatly appeals to my chart ruler Mars in Gemini :)

There are so many issues I have yet to resolve...

Arian Maverick

P.S. I love Virgo and would trade my chart for Tim's any day.
 
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