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Forum: Traditional Astrology 05-19-2017, 03:57 AM
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Posted By dr. farr
Re: Heavily debilitated Saturn behaving WELL?

I follow Abu Mashar, who in was closest in following the Greco-Roman indications.
Forum: Traditional Astrology 04-04-2014, 04:20 AM
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Posted By dr. farr
Re: Heavily debilitated Saturn behaving WELL?

I am going to save further comments and observations I have regarding OP's Saturn situation, until the OP returns here and tells us what she thinks-based on her own experiences-of what we posters to...
Forum: Traditional Astrology 04-02-2014, 04:13 AM
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Posted By dr. farr
Re: Heavily debilitated Saturn behaving WELL?

Right-and notice what the OP said relating to her father.
Forum: Traditional Astrology 04-02-2014, 03:34 AM
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Posted By dr. farr
Re: Heavily debilitated Saturn behaving WELL?

I notice that Venus is also the grand (or ultimate) dispositor of this chart (the concept of grand/ultimate dispositor was introduced by Morin de Villefranche in the 17th century)

I agree that...
Forum: Traditional Astrology 04-01-2014, 05:06 AM
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Posted By dr. farr
Re: Heavily debilitated Saturn behaving WELL?

As I mentioned a few posts back, I too ultimately consider this a nocturnal chart although I regard the points made regarding the situation of the Light at the birth time, to be worthy of...
Forum: Traditional Astrology 03-30-2014, 03:36 AM
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Posted By dr. farr
Re: Heavily debilitated Saturn behaving WELL?

PS: I would ask the OP to post on this thread again-we really need her to provide more of her experiences vis-a-vis Saturn!
Forum: Traditional Astrology 03-30-2014, 03:34 AM
Replies: 69
Views: 26,178
Posted By dr. farr
Re: Heavily debilitated Saturn behaving WELL?

If we have, defacto (due to the condition of Light) a diurnal chart here, then the generic significator of the OP's father is the Sun, not Saturn (see OP's comments regarding her father)
Also, the...
Forum: Traditional Astrology 03-30-2014, 03:30 AM
Replies: 69
Views: 26,178
Posted By dr. farr
Re: Heavily debilitated Saturn behaving WELL?

Excellent points regarding the condition of Light in the reference chart!
Forum: Traditional Astrology 03-30-2014, 03:27 AM
Replies: 69
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Posted By dr. farr
Re: Heavily debilitated Saturn behaving WELL?

These are excellent points regarding the state of LIght at the OP's birth.
As I stated in my post, I think this is a "twilight" chart vis-a-vis the situation regarding Light-and it could well be...
Forum: Traditional Astrology 03-30-2014, 03:01 AM
Replies: 69
Views: 26,178
Posted By dr. farr
Re: Heavily debilitated Saturn behaving WELL?

I completely agree with Marius Cojoc's conclusion that, in the OP's chart, Saturn is not a complete or decided malefic, but rather is of mixed influence.



(Note: I have come to the...
Forum: Traditional Astrology 03-29-2014, 07:27 AM
Replies: 69
Views: 26,178
Posted By dr. farr
Re: Heavily debilitated Saturn behaving WELL?

Examining the sunrise times for Hereford England, on the date of the OP's birth, the time of birth is fully 1 hour earlier than the time of sunrise. The Sun is 12 degrees below the ascendant line in...
Forum: Traditional Astrology 03-29-2014, 05:54 AM
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Posted By dr. farr
Re: Heavily debilitated Saturn behaving WELL?

"Planets falling away from the angles do not create events, they react to them" is a concept that is supported (but not using the same words) in Paulus Alexandrianus; the information in the OP's...
Forum: Traditional Astrology 03-29-2014, 04:39 AM
Replies: 69
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Posted By dr. farr
Re: Heavily debilitated Saturn behaving WELL?

I think this is a very significant observation: as you know, aspect by sign (which I refer to as "platik" aspect) was the way to judge aspects (and conjunctions) during the Hellenist period (right up...
Forum: Traditional Astrology 03-28-2014, 04:32 AM
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Posted By dr. farr
Re: Heavily debilitated Saturn behaving WELL?

Quite true: for me, the answer to this entire issue-to the question about why Saturn "behaves well" (in transit) asked by the OP, rests on the natal dignity and detriment issue + the natal dignity or...
Forum: Traditional Astrology 03-28-2014, 03:47 AM
Replies: 69
Views: 26,178
Posted By dr. farr
Re: Heavily debilitated Saturn behaving WELL?

Is Saturn a malefic in this person's life? Or, is it rather a mixed influence?

-looking at essential dignities: Saturn is in detriment by sign; but its in its own term (according to Ptolemy-see...
Forum: Traditional Astrology 03-27-2014, 08:27 AM
Replies: 69
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Posted By dr. farr
Re: Heavily debilitated Saturn behaving WELL?

Excellent delineation-thank you:biggrin:!
Forum: Traditional Astrology 03-27-2014, 04:59 AM
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Posted By dr. farr
Re: Heavily debilitated Saturn behaving WELL?

On thing I can mention: regarding such things as Face and Bright Degrees (also Dark Degrees, Pitted and Elevated degrees), the authors that described them (Antiochus of Athens, Abu Mashar, al-Biruni,...
Forum: Traditional Astrology 03-27-2014, 04:31 AM
Replies: 69
Views: 26,178
Posted By dr. farr
Re: Heavily debilitated Saturn behaving WELL?

I'll collect that data over the next few days and post it here.
Forum: Traditional Astrology 03-27-2014, 04:16 AM
Replies: 69
Views: 26,178
Posted By dr. farr
Re: Heavily debilitated Saturn behaving WELL?

Sign monomoiria: eg Ibn Ezra
Bright degrees: eg Abu Mashar, al-Biruni, Ibn Ezra
Elevated planets: Abu Mashar, al-Biruni, Paracelsus, etc
Face: authors from Valens, onward
Stars: Thabit ibn Qurra...
Forum: Traditional Astrology 03-27-2014, 03:40 AM
Replies: 69
Views: 26,178
Posted By dr. farr
Re: Heavily debilitated Saturn behaving WELL?

Some quick observations:
-natal Saturn is modified by being in a bright degree (mentioned by TSMall)
-natal Saturn is in the sign-monomoiria of Libra, so natal Saturn is in exaltation by monomoiria...
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