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piscesascendant 03-01-2012 08:14 PM

Moon in Capricorn--Grrrr.... :(
 
I do not have Moon in Capricorn, but know of several people who do. I have a... "distaste" for their apparently emotionless selves. They may have achieved much in life, sure, but I really dislike their cold, emotionless nature. It's being near a cold stone. Perhaps achievement is the thing that satisfies their moon Granted, there could very well be other factors contributing to the feeling, but I've noticed a pattern that rubs me the wrong way. Not sure if others sense anything similar.

wintersprite1 03-01-2012 09:10 PM

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I adore Capricorn Moons... I keep marrying them :whistling: May be that it is since I am a Cappy myself and my Saturn in rulership. We goats aren't comfortable with slopping over emotions, and are known for eating and digesting everything like a rusty old tin can.

Thinking it is just a personal preference,

TK

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miquar 03-01-2012 09:18 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by wintersprite1 (Post 369056)
Thinking it is just a personal preference.

Yes would be interested to see your chart Piscesrising

Hi Wintersprite - that Goethe quote sounds pretty Capricornian. Didn't he have Saturn rising?

piscesascendant 03-01-2012 09:19 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by wintersprite1 (Post 369056)
I adore Capricorn Moons... I keep marrying them :whistling: May be that it is since I am a Cappy myself and my Saturn in rulership. We goats aren't comfortable with slopping over emotions, and are known for eating and digesting everything like a rusty old tin can.

Thinking it is just a personal preference,

TK

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/i.../Blog/goat.jpg

Right. As I said, it could be my personal "distaste." No hate, just "distaste." And I don't care for inordinate amounts of emotions (Aquarius sun, moon, and mercury), but as I've said, of the Cap moons I've come across, I sense very little emotion. Frankly, I have to leave the presence of one before too long or else I feel emotionally dehydrated, and I only wish I was kidding.

Thanks for responding, though.

MaeMae 03-01-2012 09:46 PM

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Cap moon is in detriment. this means he can't get a break. everyine finds fault in him. yet everyone relies on him. he just likes to remind people that they need him by making them look inadequate because he knows they are ~ in his paradigm.
when they fullfill his german grandmother mantra "feelings have nothing to do with life" ~ he eases up. only because he knows life will control his feelings otherwise. prove yourself capable, reliable, helpful or pathetic (or any combination thereof) and they will be your staunchest ally. They just can't handle the wrecklessness of fly~by~the~seat~of~your~pants'ers. It's too scary. Their worst fear.
Don't try to prove cap moon's wrong ~ prove them right by showing restraint, dignity and responsibility. Don't make messes for them without warning them in advance and realize they see your potential - saturn ruler of moon - in ways you never will.
you gotta give props to the wise ones who taught you and honor them with discretion and reserve. not much different from leo moon except for needs of display and pettiness.
caveat ~ i have sat/jup in cap. some moon caps adore me, others fear me. but i adore them all the same.

piscesascendant 03-01-2012 09:53 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MaeMae (Post 369065)
Cap moon is in detriment. this means he can't get a break. everyine finds fault in him. yet everyone relies on him. he just likes to remind people that they need him by making them look inadequate because he knows they are ~ in his paradigm.
when they fullfill his german grandmother mantra "feelings have nothing to do with life" ~ he eases up. only because he knows life will control his feelings otherwise. prove yourself capable, reliable, helpful or pathetic (or any combination thereof) and they will be your staunchest ally. They just can't handle the wrecklessness of fly~by~the~seat~of~your~pants'ers. It's too scary. Their worst fear.
Don't try to prove cap moon's wrong ~ prove them right by showing restraint, dignity and responsibility. Don't make messes for them without warning them in advance and realize they see your potential - saturn ruler of moon - in ways you never will.
you gotta give props to the wise ones who taught you and honor them with discretion and reserve. not much different from leo moon except for needs of display and pettiness.
caveat ~ i have sat/jup in cap. some moon caps adore me, others fear me. but i adore them all the same.

I'm not sure I have it in mind to "appease" Cap moons. I have Mars in Cap and have never felt the need to do so. Never been afraid of them, either; annoyed occasionally by them, if anything, but nothing major.

But your points are noted. Thanks.

MaeMae 03-02-2012 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by piscesascendant (Post 369069)
I'm not sure I have it in mind to "appease" Cap moons. I have Mars in Cap and have never felt the need to do so. Never been afraid of them, either; annoyed occasionally by them, if anything, but nothing major.

But your points are noted. Thanks.

uhh, mars moon conj. and you grrrrrr but have no problem with them?
okay.

peace 03-02-2012 12:12 AM

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Wow this is crazy I was just talking about moon in capricorn on another thread.

My husbands moon is in capricorn... I like that he doesn't concentrate on emotions and instead concentrates on the present. But man, get him on some drums, singing or a guitar and it's magical ;)

piscesascendant 03-02-2012 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by MaeMae (Post 369116)
uhh, mars moon conj. and you grrrrrr but have no problem with them?
okay.

Yes, it is possible to experience both feelings, MaeMae.....Grrrr in the moment and "no problem" in the aftermath. Just because I have Mars in Cap doesn't mean it's in conjunction, though.... depends on degree. Some Cap moons might have too wide an orb.

piscesascendant 03-02-2012 12:31 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by peace (Post 369117)
I like that he doesn't concentrate on emotions and instead concentrates on the present.

How are these mutually exclusive?

peace 03-02-2012 01:35 AM

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What I meant on that thought is he doesn't get caught up thinking about how he feels if there was an adverse outcome, he just focuses on the next step to getting the job done.

divine g 03-02-2012 02:03 AM

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Shouldn't generalize about all Cap Moons here, as they could have any one of 12 Sun signs which would more or less trump their cap moons "daytime" personality..Moon rules the private self, and if a Cap Moon is showing their emotionless side, u better believe it's for a reason.

Saturn rules time limits, including death, so at any given moment, a Cap Moon could be dealing with some very heavy issues, which would make most ppl snap, break out in tears, or hide under the covers. This is that mountain of strength you would end up praising if you were ever in a crisis situation, as they would be able to contain their emotions, and focus on the task at hand.

Understand they can rub you the wrong way bc of your Aquarian nature, esp with "Aquarius sun, moon, and mercury". You are the archetypal wild child and rule-breaker, and Cappy is the stern parent and rule-maker whose responsibility it is to keep you in check. It's those fundamentally anti-thetical energies that you are sensitive to. But I think if you meet an Aqua Sun with Cap moon, you may sing a different tune! Im a Gemini, Cap moon, and when there's nothing serious to think about, Im just a big loveable kid:) But when I have adult things to do, bills to pay, deadlines to meet, career stuff, reputation stuff, legal stuff, and all the things that suck in life, like anyone, u gotta get serious and do what needs to be done before you can get back to having fun again.

May I suggest you try and make a Cap Moon laugh? You may find they may have a wicked sense of humor akin to yours, and you may be able to tolerate them a bit more. Also what are the ages, and genders of the Cap moons you know? That may have something to do with it..Are they rich, snobby types? Bc things like that can make all the difference..Even nationality can factor in..

BTW, with Pluto transiting the first decan of Capricorn the past few years, maybe you're reacting to that Plutonian energy? Bc it's Pluto that's mostly known for such visceral reactions against its energy..you either love Pluto or hate him. I would tend to think with Saturn, there is more of a pity than hatred..or Saturn could be so down and depressed, you may not even notice him..

piscesascendant 03-02-2012 02:05 AM

Re: Moon in Capricorn--Grrrr.... :(
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by peace (Post 369136)
What I meant on that thought is he doesn't get caught up thinking about how he feels if there was an adverse outcome, he just focuses on the next step to getting the job done.

Most Cap moon people I know focus at the expense of others' feelings. They tend to steamroll others. Not to speak ill of your husband.

piscesascendant 03-02-2012 02:22 AM

Re: Moon in Capricorn--Grrrr.... :(
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by divine g (Post 369139)
Shouldn't generalize about all Cap Moons here, as they could have any one of 12 Sun signs which would more or less trump their cap moons "daytime" personality..Moon rules the private self, and if a Cap Moon is showing their emotionless side, u better believe it's for a reason.

Saturn rules time limits, including death, so at any given moment, a Cap Moon could be dealing with some very heavy issues, which would make most ppl snap, break out in tears, or hide under the covers. This is that mountain of strength you would end up praising if you were ever in a crisis situation, as they would be able to contain their emotions, and focus on the task at hand.

Understand they can rub you the wrong way bc of your Aquarian nature, esp with "Aquarius sun, moon, and mercury". You are the archetypal wild child and rule-breaker, and Cappy is the stern parent and rule-maker whose responsibility it is to keep you in check. It's those fundamentally anti-thetical energies that you are sensitive to. But I think if you meet an Aqua Sun with Cap moon, you may sing a different tune! Im a Gemini, Cap moon, and when there's nothing serious to think about, Im just a big loveable kid:) But when I have adult things to do, bills to pay, deadlines to meet, career stuff, reputation stuff, legal stuff, and all the things that suck in life, like anyone, u gotta get serious and do what needs to be done before you can get back to having fun again.

May I suggest you try and make a Cap Moon laugh? You may find they may have a wicked sense of humor akin to yours, and you may be able to tolerate them a bit more. Also what are the ages, and genders of the Cap moons you know? That may have something to do with it..Are they rich, snobby types? Bc things like that can make all the difference..Even nationality can factor in..

Thanks for the response, but you seem to have just written in the same generalizations you warned against at the beginning. I was speaking of the Cap moon people I've known so far, not about all, so I wasn't generalizing. I've made Cap moon people I know laugh, as you suggested, but I haven't found them to have a "wicked sense of humor." The one guy I know who I made laugh regularly had an Aquarius Mercury, so we were on the same wavelength. I wasn't focusing on their list of adult behaviors (bills, etc.), but on their apparent dry well of emotion. No offense, actually, but it does seem dry to me.

Thanks just the same.

Gemini Rising 03-02-2012 01:15 PM

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Hey,

I'm a Capricorn Moon, but I am not like that! :biggrin:
My feeling always run deep but others don't see that. They think I am cold and distant :crying: It's just that Cap Moons are usually emotionally complicated and feel better by hiding the way they feel.

MaeMae 03-02-2012 02:28 PM

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maybe you were just venting pisces rising? ~ mars transiting near or in your 7th.
nonetheless, when moon is in capricorn, we must understand moon (emotional needs) and saturn (containment, lessons, sustainable progress)
a placement does stand alone ~ just as a mushroom on a slice of pizza does. Recognizable, known also by it's taste.
Even if olive or onion or tomato is mixed in on slice, you still know a mushroom.

LeoCassandra 03-02-2012 08:14 PM

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Yes, Cap moon is Reserved, Grasping, Stable, Self-conscious, Cold at first galnce and second:P Im proud owner of one:) but it helps me a lot. If i were any other moon sign i would have gone mental long time ago ( natal sun opposite saturn, moon conjunct neptune and uranus) Emotionless? No. Coldish..? mostly yes:whistling:

divine g 03-02-2012 08:21 PM

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You know what, there's nothing wrong with Cap Moons, @piscesascendant, the problem is with you. Maybe you're just a stubborn, opinionated amateur who wants to argue just for the sake of arguing to seem different and **** ppl off, that's all.

DG

serafin5 03-02-2012 09:25 PM

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Just my 2 cents:

My mom had her moon in Capricorn and in her case it may have been grounding for her; she was a Sun and Asc Libra and had Mercury and Mars both in Scorpio, in her first house and she was a very emotional woman! God love her, she had her problems too and she was sooooo intelligent; I was most proud of that. She was a loving and lovable woman but sometimes she'd get in one of her moods and look out! And there were times when she would come right out of left field and say the meanest things; things me as her daughter or human being for that matter would never occur to me to say let alone think. Sometimes I despaired that she never really knew me and never did finally.:sad:

I've had other significant relationships with people with this Moon sign and as much as I loved them their coldness knew no bounds. However, I do not believe that all people with their Moon in Capricorn are emotionally cold; I'm just relaying my experiences.:joyful:

Good thread!
Serafin5

piscesascendant 03-02-2012 11:40 PM

Re: Moon in Capricorn--Grrrr.... :(
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gemini Rising (Post 369246)
Hey,

I'm a Capricorn Moon, but I am not like that! :biggrin:
My feeling always run deep but others don't see that. They think I am cold and distant :crying: It's just that Cap Moons are usually emotionally complicated and feel better by hiding the way they feel.

Fair enough, Gemini Rising. The Cap moons I've known weren't antagonistic, and perhaps simply buried their emotions, lest they get the better of them in a situation. "Emotionally complicated and feel better by hiding [them]...." okay, I can see that, too. Great explanation. Thanks!

piscesascendant 03-02-2012 11:43 PM

Re: Moon in Capricorn--Grrrr.... :(
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by divine g (Post 369320)
You know what, there's nothing wrong with Cap Moons, @piscesascendant, the problem is with you. Maybe you're just a stubborn, opinionated ***** who wants to argue just for the sake of arguing to seem different and **** ppl off, that's all.

DG

LOL... feel better now that you've gotten that off your chest?

MTTY05 03-03-2012 12:48 AM

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I don't know very many Cap Moons, but one of my best friends is a Capricorn Moon and he's not emotionally cold at all. Just last night he was professing his admiration for me, and that he really values our friendship (he's like that with all of his friends). Probably one of the most emotional guys I've ever come across. I don't know what time of day he was born so I can't really say that any particular ascendant is making him more emotional, but I've never known this individual to be cold at all.

Whether he's a good representation of all Capricorn moons or not, I don't know.

piscesascendant 03-03-2012 12:51 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MTTY05 (Post 369396)
I don't know very many Cap Moons, but one of my best friends is a Capricorn Moon and he's not emotionally cold at all. Just last night he was professing his admiration for me, and that he really values our friendship (he's like that with all of his friends). Probably one of the most emotional guys I've ever come across. I don't know what time of day he was born so I can't really say that any particular ascendant is making him more emotional, but I've never known this individual to be cold at all.

Whether he's a good representation of all Capricorn moons or not, I don't know.

Interesting. Thanks!

serafin5 03-03-2012 07:52 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by divine g (Post 369320)
You know what, there's nothing wrong with Cap Moons, @piscesascendant, the problem is with you. Maybe you're just a stubborn, opinionated ***** who wants to argue just for the sake of arguing to seem different and **** ppl off, that's all.

DG

My goodness; why so angry? Aren't these threads about people's experiences with the people in their lives having certain signs, aspects, and combos of these that affect them? Wow (facepalm). I honestly don't remember Piscesasc. being particularly insulting to Cap moons. But insults aside, you do have a point: These threads contain statements about one small point in a chart when the entire chart should always be evaluated first.

Watching my P's and Q's,
Serafin5

piscesascendant 03-03-2012 07:58 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by serafin5 (Post 369595)
...These threads contain statements about one small point in a chart when the entire chart should always be evaluated first.

I'm not denying that. But like I said, the pattern of Cap moon people I've known has been as I've described it. So far. Crossing my fingers on meeting someone who breaks free of the pattern.

bubuza_dulce 03-03-2012 08:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by piscesascendant (Post 369035)
I do not have Moon in Capricorn, but know of several people who do. I have a... "distaste" for their apparently emotionless selves. They may have achieved much in life, sure, but I really dislike their cold, emotionless nature. It's being near a cold stone. Perhaps achievement is the thing that satisfies their moon Granted, there could very well be other factors contributing to the feeling, but I've noticed a pattern that rubs me the wrong way. Not sure if others sense anything similar.

I don't know if I have met someone with Cap Moon but I have a serious problem with Cap Sun.

I have met someone (Cap Sun, Aquarius Venus, Gemini Moon) whom I considered "amazing" and we knew each other for almost ten years. At the end I barely managed to survive and get out of that relationship.
And I noticed that Cap Suns get to a point of being like a stone speaking of emotions. I know we should look at the entire chart but this has terrified me so (I felt like living in the house with Hitler!) that I am determined to stay away from a person that has similarities with this person's chart.
Unfortunately every person that makes a strong good impression on me seems to be a Cap.

So if you feel the same way about Cap Moon just beware and avoid the people that you think could hurt you. I hope you'll meet someone who can "break the pattern" but if you don't what's the problem, there are plenty of other Moons!:wink:

Lightrider 03-04-2012 12:27 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by piscesascendant (Post 369035)
I do not have Moon in Capricorn, but know of several people who do. I have a... "distaste" for their apparently emotionless selves. They may have achieved much in life, sure, but I really dislike their cold, emotionless nature. It's being near a cold stone. Perhaps achievement is the thing that satisfies their moon Granted, there could very well be other factors contributing to the feeling, but I've noticed a pattern that rubs me the wrong way. Not sure if others sense anything similar.

I'm don't have a Cap Moon either, but i am known for acting and feeling like a Saturnian would do most of the time. To me, it's all about productivity. I seldom do things i think i don't need to do because it's a waste of time. It's the same when i'm faced to emotions. I don't even bother to express my emotions except when i am alone playing music because it's been detrimental for me and those around me more often than not. I am very good at putting on a poker face when it comes to emotions, i seldom lose control.

When i look at the way you post it's like when i hear someone say "i'm tired", "i'm sleepy", "i need (insert something)", etc. At first, my reaction is something like "ok". But when people keep doing the same thing it gets very annoying. Then my reaction becomes *rolls eyes, sighs and walks away*. I know that could rub many people the wrong way. But to be honest, I don't really care at that point. I have to admit i really don't like it when people do things just for the sake of it. I've been told i need to lighten up and stuff, but that's the kind of people i tend to ignore because well... they are annoying.

I wonder if some Cap Moon folks can relate to this. I really would like to know... and i also wonder if someone is willing to post a response. I know i did just out of curiosity (blame my Virgo Moon :lol:).

piscesascendant 03-04-2012 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Lightrider (Post 369643)
I'm don't have a Cap Moon either, but i am known for acting and feeling like a Saturnian would do most of the time. To me, it's all about productivity. I seldom do things i think i don't need to do because it's a waste of time. It's the same when i'm faced to emotions. I don't even bother to express my emotions except when i am alone playing music because it's been detrimental for me and those around me more often than not. I am very good at putting on a poker face when it comes to emotions, i seldom lose control.

Thanks for the feedback on that.

Quote:

When i look at the way you post it's like when i hear someone say "i'm tired", "i'm sleepy", "i need (insert something)", etc.
That's a curious interpretation, lol. No idea where you got that from.

Quote:

At first, my reaction is something like "ok". But when people keep doing the same thing it gets very annoying. Then my reaction becomes *rolls eyes, sighs and walks away*. I know that could rub many people the wrong way. But to be honest, I don't really care at that point. I have to admit i really don't like it when people do things just for the sake of it. I've been told i need to lighten up and stuff, but that's the kind of people i tend to ignore because well... they are annoying.
Maybe you should take their advice.

serafin5 03-04-2012 08:09 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by piscesascendant (Post 369597)
I'm not denying that. But like I said, the pattern of Cap moon people I've known has been as I've described it. So far. Crossing my fingers on meeting someone who breaks free of the pattern.

If you read my posts' you'll see that I was defending your right, and mine, to share your private experiences without being blasted by angry posters. I was just trying to not lose my temper at these angry posters and risk getting in trouble with the mods. I like yourself have had some hurtful experiences with a couple of Cap Moons (my first post). So I do understand your point.

Blessings
Serafin5

piscesascendant 03-04-2012 08:14 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by serafin5 (Post 369700)
If you read my posts' you'll see that I was defending your right, and mine, to share your private experiences without being blasted by angry posters. I was just trying to not lose my temper at these angry posters and risk getting in trouble with the mods. I like yourself have had some hurtful experiences with a couple of Cap Moons (my first post). So I do understand your point.

Blessings
Serafin5

That's cool. Sorry to read you've been hurt. I haven't been hurt so much as drained, like I've said. Feeling drained can be a real drag, too. I understand your points as well. Thanks.

Kannon 03-05-2012 06:15 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by piscesascendant (Post 369035)
I do not have Moon in Capricorn, but know of several people who do. I have a... "distaste" for their apparently emotionless selves. They may have achieved much in life, sure, but I really dislike their cold, emotionless nature. It's being near a cold stone. Perhaps achievement is the thing that satisfies their moon Granted, there could very well be other factors contributing to the feeling, but I've noticed a pattern that rubs me the wrong way. Not sure if others sense anything similar.

I was born with Moon in Cap and one of the things you need to understand is that people with this position are not emotionless. Some may fall into self-loathing and some may go overboard into being 'cold', but each are working out their own development. I wouldn't be described as cold, but normally cool socially, and passionate normally... but then I don't act, live or feel as a Moon in Capricorn person anymore, since that is the first thing that I changed about myself once I cleared my karma and had finished all those lessons.

Moon in Cap types are wired emotionally with the 'detriment' position (most often essentially karmic) in which the feeling, feminine maternal nature needs to be encased within a limited, controlled order that plays out over time. The Moon in Cap is like having to process emotionally in left-brain mode (at least in initial reactions) so as to keep on track over time. People who react to everything emotionally lose who they are and don't develop or grow as well as they could. In other words Moon-Cap types tend to conserve emotional energy and focus it relative to what the true needs are.

Its also true (unless aspects contradict) that this is one of those work-on-your-self-worth chart factors. Self-worth is built up substantively, but can become distorted through ambition or classism.

I personally was not able to satisfy myself through achievement. I never achieved anything big enough to do that. So I went into an emotional crisis at age 34 that set the stage for a total regeneration of myself and my life. When I learned that I can change anything about myself, personality, etc, this is the first thing that I changed. I am now much more like a Moon in Libra person.

Some compassion would be in order. Very often Moon in Cap types (or other strongly Lunar-Saturnine types) are unable to allow their own emotional needs to be met, to actually accept the affection of people that genuine like, admire, even love them. I was one of those. There were women who practically threw themselves at me and somehow I simply couldn't act on it. It was a terrible way to live. It was not that I didn't feel, I just couldn't seem to join emotionally with someone and enjoy their love and affection. At age 34 I had an emotional breakdown from years of 'holding in.' However, it was cleansing, truthful and allowed me to get a new start with healing.

This isn't a 'everyone can recover from having Moon in Capricorn just like me' post. Some may handle it better than I did. But I had a huge karmic load that was pinned to this chart factor.

Just understand that the 'detriment' of Moon in Cap is a choice of that Soul for their development. It does not reflect on you, and you don't have to associate with them if you don't want to. However, there may be a lesson from them that you could pick up intuitively if you seem unable to avoid them. There always is. I think the key is in your words 'distaste' and 'emotionless.' The first is subjective and can be changed, the second is simply false.

Kannon 03-05-2012 06:28 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by piscesascendant (Post 369701)
That's cool. Sorry to read you've been hurt. I haven't been hurt so much as drained, like I've said. Feeling drained can be a real drag, too. I understand your points as well. Thanks.

No one can drain your energy unless you let them. Sometimes being drained comes from the exhaustion of resisting what it is that that person's presence brings. Don't fight it. The 'pattern' is yours and so are the lessons.

piscesascendant 03-05-2012 06:35 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kannon (Post 369894)
No one can drain your energy unless you let them. Sometimes being drained comes from the exhaustion of resisting what it is that that person's presence brings. Don't fight it. The 'pattern' is yours and so are the lessons.

Spoken like a true Cap moon. :P

piscesascendant 03-05-2012 06:43 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kannon (Post 369893)
I was born with Moon in Cap and one of the things you need to understand is that people with this position are not emotionless. Some may fall into self-loathing and some may go overboard into being 'cold', but each are working out their own development. I wouldn't be described as cold, but normally cool socially, and passionate normally... but then I don't act, live or feel as a Moon in Capricorn person anymore, since that is the first thing that I changed about myself once I cleared my karma and had finished all those lessons.

Moon in Cap types are wired emotionally with the 'detriment' position (most often essentially karmic) in which the feeling, feminine maternal nature needs to be encased within a limited, controlled order that plays out over time. The Moon in Cap is like having to process emotionally in left-brain mode (at least in initial reactions) so as to keep on track over time. People who react to everything emotionally lose who they are and don't develop or grow as well as they could. In other words Moon-Cap types tend to conserve emotional energy and focus it relative to what the true needs are.

Its also true (unless aspects contradict) that this is one of those work-on-your-self-worth chart factors. Self-worth is built up substantively, but can become distorted through ambition or classism.

I personally was not able to satisfy myself through achievement. I never achieved anything big enough to do that. So I went into an emotional crisis at age 34 that set the stage for a total regeneration of myself and my life. When I learned that I can change anything about myself, personality, etc, this is the first thing that I changed. I am now much more like a Moon in Libra person.

Some compassion would be in order. Very often Moon in Cap types (or other strongly Lunar-Saturnine types) are unable to allow their own emotional needs to be met, to actually accept the affection of people that genuine like, admire, even love them. I was one of those. There were women who practically threw themselves at me and somehow I simply couldn't act on it. It was a terrible way to live. It was not that I didn't feel, I just couldn't seem to join emotionally with someone and enjoy their love and affection. At age 34 I had an emotional breakdown from years of 'holding in.' However, it was cleansing, truthful and allowed me to get a new start with healing.

This isn't a 'everyone can recover from having Moon in Capricorn just like me' post. Some may handle it better than I did. But I had a huge karmic load that was pinned to this chart factor.

Just understand that the 'detriment' of Moon in Cap is a choice of that Soul for their development. It does not reflect on you, and you don't have to associate with them if you don't want to. However, there may be a lesson from them that you could pick up intuitively if you seem unable to avoid them. There always is. I think the key is in your words 'distaste' and 'emotionless.' The first is subjective and can be changed, the second is simply false.

Looks like I'm coming across more and more of those born with this lunar placement. It's good to read this kind of feedback, but since I was describing my personal encounters, I'll have to take your word for what you wrote. That's not to say I doubt what you write. Only that we haven't met in person to sustain or (preferably) quash this pattern of drain (considering that the focus was that I personally felt emotionally drained by being next to those who I found out later had Cap moons). I don't make a point of trying to find out who exactly has Cap moons so I can avoid them like the plague. I simply find it unique that of those I've encountered when I experience this, they've all had Cap moon. I understand your feedback on this, but that doesn't negate my experiences.

I never sad those with a Cap moon were bad people. Even the guy I used to work with who had a Cap moon (and was into astrology, too) acknowledged his tendency to drain others emotionally. That doesn't mean it's set in stone, only that the perception and pattern isn't merely mine alone.

serafin5 03-06-2012 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Kannon (Post 369893)
I was born with Moon in Cap and one of the things you need to understand is that people with this position are not emotionless. Some may fall into self-loathing and some may go overboard into being 'cold', but each are working out their own development. I wouldn't be described as cold, but normally cool socially, and passionate normally... but then I don't act, live or feel as a Moon in Capricorn person anymore, since that is the first thing that I changed about myself once I cleared my karma and had finished all those lessons.

Moon in Cap types are wired emotionally with the 'detriment' position (most often essentially karmic) in which the feeling, feminine maternal nature needs to be encased within a limited, controlled order that plays out over time. The Moon in Cap is like having to process emotionally in left-brain mode (at least in initial reactions) so as to keep on track over time. People who react to everything emotionally lose who they are and don't develop or grow as well as they could. In other words Moon-Cap types tend to conserve emotional energy and focus it relative to what the true needs are.

Its also true (unless aspects contradict) that this is one of those work-on-your-self-worth chart factors. Self-worth is built up substantively, but can become distorted through ambition or classism.

I personally was not able to satisfy myself through achievement. I never achieved anything big enough to do that. So I went into an emotional crisis at age 34 that set the stage for a total regeneration of myself and my life. When I learned that I can change anything about myself, personality, etc, this is the first thing that I changed. I am now much more like a Moon in Libra person.

Some compassion would be in order. Very often Moon in Cap types (or other strongly Lunar-Saturnine types) are unable to allow their own emotional needs to be met, to actually accept the affection of people that genuine like, admire, even love them. I was one of those. There were women who practically threw themselves at me and somehow I simply couldn't act on it. It was a terrible way to live. It was not that I didn't feel, I just couldn't seem to join emotionally with someone and enjoy their love and affection. At age 34 I had an emotional breakdown from years of 'holding in.' However, it was cleansing, truthful and allowed me to get a new start with healing.

This isn't a 'everyone can recover from having Moon in Capricorn just like me' post. Some may handle it better than I did. But I had a huge karmic load that was pinned to this chart factor.

Just understand that the 'detriment' of Moon in Cap is a choice of that Soul for their development. It does not reflect on you, and you don't have to associate with them if you don't want to. However, there may be a lesson from them that you could pick up intuitively if you seem unable to avoid them. There always is. I think the key is in your words 'distaste' and 'emotionless.' The first is subjective and can be changed, the second is simply false.


Kannon this was such a beautiful post! It made so much sense to me as I relate your views/experience to my mother who had her Moon in Capricorn. She like yourself could not be convinced of her self-worth to save her life (literally!). And she was such a loving human being too. But like I described in my prior post she would get in these black moods and lash out at the people who loved her most. Interesting that she passed away at only 44 years old of heart disease (a broken heart!)

I was wondering when you said that the first thing you did was to change your natal moon in capricorn and now have your moon as a libra/or like a libra? Does that mean symbolically you worked on your cap moon issues and now you seem like a libra moon or is this reference to a progression? I was just curious what you meant by that.

Sounds like at 34 you had your what I call 'dark night of the soul'. That happened to me when I was 25 in 1989 I had a breakdown too. Scary but I'm alive (a miracle) and grateful that I finally came through. But that was so painful!


Blessings to you
Serafin5

Caro 03-06-2012 05:41 PM

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I have two moon in cap close friends, I would not see either as emotionally cool or cut off. I think they both see their childhood as deprived and that affects them now(this deprivation is particularly related to their relations with their mother or how they viewed their mother when growing up) One has a very strong relation with her mum(1sst house moon) moon sq uranus, the other a strained relationship very wide square to uranus. I find them both very kind and considerate and good with practical stuff for dealing with problems - you are right they dont wish to talk about emotions over and over.

Im an aqua sun so maybe this is why I can relate to them(a pisces moon too)

pluto is transiting that sign now - so a time of change for many with this placement.

Kannon 03-07-2012 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by serafin5 (Post 370212)
Kannon this was such a beautiful post! It made so much sense to me as I relate your views/experience to my mother who had her Moon in Capricorn. She like yourself could not be convinced of her self-worth to save her life (literally!). And she was such a loving human being too. But like I described in my prior post she would get in these black moods and lash out at the people who loved her most. Interesting that she passed away at only 44 years old of heart disease (a broken heart!)

I was wondering when you said that the first thing you did was to change your natal moon in capricorn and now have your moon as a libra/or like a libra? Does that mean symbolically you worked on your cap moon issues and now you seem like a libra moon or is this reference to a progression? I was just curious what you meant by that.

Sounds like at 34 you had your what I call 'dark night of the soul'. That happened to me when I was 25 in 1989 I had a breakdown too. Scary but I'm alive (a miracle) and grateful that I finally came through. But that was so painful!


Blessings to you
Serafin5

I knew that this Moon-Cap factor in my birth chart had affected my personality in a way that no longer served me. I learned the steadiness of conserving emotional energy, the internal complexity of my own feelings and subjective responses and took responsibility for them. I also dealt with my parental issues and reached a point of complete forgiveness, especially with my dad. This chart factor/aspect to my personality had me stuck in that rut and was keeping me in a place that was no longer serving me and the purpose of my soul.

So... in observing what I admired in people around me, I saw that he most common them was men with Libra Suns and women with Moon in Libra. I chose to change myself to match Moon in Libra. For me this required a real energetic changing point of decision and energetic realignment. It was not metaphoric, but very real. If you could observe me on a daily basis with my wife, you'd see the difference and I really doubt that you'd guess I was born when the Moon was in Cap. I'm a different person, because I had to change.

This is something that is communicated to the cells of the body, the DNA, and to your 'other-dimensional' guidance (helpers). I recommend the Kryon material for understanding this. There is an astrological DNA layer, all (12) layers of which are under your command. http://www.kryon.com/seminar%20image...0page/DNA.html
http://www.kryon.com/k_channel10_melbourne_1.html

The body is the last part of us to get the message. It takes time. It can take years, sometimes a couple decades to retrain so that a new personality pattern is ingrained into the biology.

Yes, these dark nights of the Soul can be very painful. That was my metaphoric death and the time of my rebirth to real empowerment. I'm glad you've gotten through this. Once we do, we don't have to go there again.

piscesascendant 03-07-2012 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Kannon (Post 370507)
I knew that this Moon-Cap factor in my birth chart had affected my personality in a way that no longer served me. I learned the steadiness of conserving emotional energy, the internal complexity of my own feelings and subjective responses and took responsibility for them. I also dealt with my parental issues and reached a point of complete forgiveness, especially with my dad. This chart factor/aspect to my personality had me stuck in that rut and was keeping me in a place that was no longer serving me and the purpose of my soul.

So... in observing what I admired in people around me, I saw that he most common them was men with Libra Suns and women with Moon in Libra. I chose to change myself to match Moon in Libra. For me this required a real energetic changing point of decision and energetic realignment. It was not metaphoric, but very real. If you could observe me on a daily basis with my wife, you'd see the difference and I really doubt that you'd guess I was born when the Moon was in Cap. I'm a different person, because I had to change.

This is something that is communicated to the cells of the body, the DNA, and to your 'other-dimensional' guidance (helpers). I recommend the Kryon material for understanding this. There is an astrological DNA layer, all (12) layers of which are under your command. http://www.kryon.com/seminar%20image...0page/DNA.html
http://www.kryon.com/k_channel10_melbourne_1.html

The body is the last part of us to get the message. It takes time. It can take years, sometimes a couple decades to retrain so that a new personality pattern is ingrained into the biology.

Yes, these dark nights of the Soul can be very painful. That was my metaphoric death and the time of my rebirth to real empowerment. I'm glad you've gotten through this. Once we do, we don't have to go there again.

"Your biography becomes your biology." -- Caroline Myss

Claire19 03-08-2012 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by piscesascendant (Post 369035)
I do not have Moon in Capricorn, but know of several people who do. I have a... "distaste" for their apparently emotionless selves. They may have achieved much in life, sure, but I really dislike their cold, emotionless nature. It's being near a cold stone. Perhaps achievement is the thing that satisfies their moon Granted, there could very well be other factors contributing to the feeling, but I've noticed a pattern that rubs me the wrong way. Not sure if others sense anything similar.

I have several friends with Moon in Capricorn including my father and although they are not so effusive and demonstrative, they are salt of the Earth and can be relied on. It all depends on the aspects and how they relate to you personally. I have Moon in Taurus and I guess that dovetails. They tend to be work oriented and not domesticated so if you want a cuddly woman who bakes cookies and is motherly, then no, I guess not.

piscesascendant 03-08-2012 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Claire19 (Post 370578)
I have several friends with Moon in Capricorn including my father and although they are not so effusive and demonstrative, they are salt of the Earth and can be relied on. It all depends on the aspects and how they relate to you personally. I have Moon in Taurus and I guess that dovetails. They tend to be work oriented and not domesticated so if you want a cuddly woman who bakes cookies and is motherly, then no, I guess not.

LOL, I'm not looking for the extremes of emotion... just some demonstration of emotion. I am aware that Cap moons are "salt of the earth" and reliable (their fortes, it seems), but these don't really give way to emotional selves. Granted, not every planetary and luminary placement can do that. It's just like I said at (or near) the beginning. Some are cold and rather stoic with emotion, and others, as some have put it, are very contained in their emotion. I guess whatever it takes to get you through life suffices. Thanks!

persephone5 04-13-2012 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Claire19 (Post 370578)
I have several friends with Moon in Capricorn including my father and although they are not so effusive and demonstrative, they are salt of the Earth and can be relied on. It all depends on the aspects and how they relate to you personally. I have Moon in Taurus and I guess that dovetails. They tend to be work oriented and not domesticated so if you want a cuddly woman who bakes cookies and is motherly, then no, I guess not.

But don't forget, it depends on the other aspects in the chart of the Capricorn moon native as well! not just people interacting with the capricorn moon person.

Someone with a pisces, cancer or libra sun/venus would be very different than someone with a capricorn moon and sun/venus in virgo,capricorn or aquarius for instance.

MaeMae 04-13-2012 06:41 PM

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moon in capricorn, purrrrrrrrrr.
I'd take a cap moon in any form ~ !
would hit my chiron, mars, nn/sn, pluto, neptune, jupiter, saturn, venus in varied degrees.
they would have an emotional need to set me straight, not accept my b.s., though they may tolerate it.
11' (degrees) ~ 28' is my g-spot ~ conjunct my natal jupiter saturn in 6th.
They are the ones who help me make it through the day to day.
Through humor or b*itchslappin...either works for me.

persephone5 04-13-2012 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by piscesascendant (Post 369035)
I do not have Moon in Capricorn, but know of several people who do. I have a... "distaste" for their apparently emotionless selves. They may have achieved much in life, sure, but I really dislike their cold, emotionless nature. It's being near a cold stone. Perhaps achievement is the thing that satisfies their moon Granted, there could very well be other factors contributing to the feeling, but I've noticed a pattern that rubs me the wrong way. Not sure if others sense anything similar.

Perhaps it has more to do with the types of people you attract? Or, those particular people for some reason, show that side of themselves more when they are around you? It's definitely true that people act differently around different people and that sometimes a person brings out their worst traits. Some people clash and some people click. Or, rather, sometimes a particular trait stands out too much to someone because it grates on their nerves.

I know I've experienced that last one before. It usually grates on me because its a trait that is completely different from my own tendencies. Sometimes I perceive this is because I secretly want to be more like that and am resentful or I just think its foolish/annoying and too self-conscious.

I think most of the traits you describe are too stereotypical of the sign to be accurate for most people and might have more to do with aspects and other signs than solely being the fault of the moon in capriccorn.

The whole chart should be looked at rather than singling out one planet.

A person with their sun in pisces with moon in capricorn will be VERY different, usually at least, than a sun in virgo with that placement. Or, a moon conjunct saturn in capricorn will be highly different than moon in capricorn trine venus.

Certain aspects can soften the moon in capricorn placement, and others can exacerbate their weaknesses.

I have two examples of people with moon in capricorn.

I have a friend who has a capricorn moon, but she also has sun/merc/venus/saturn and uranus in sag!

In general, she is excitable (which makes her fun) and she has no trouble expressing her opinion or her feelings. She is warm and social, though not overly so. She has many friends and is very active. She is very open and shares easily, even things that make her look bad or silly or insecure. Family is extremely important to her. She is not overly ambitious. I would say a good healthy amount without it being obvious. She is competitive but not annoyingly so. She is far from selfish. In her case, I think all her sagittarius influences outweigh her capricorn moon. She also has sun and venus in conjuntion to uranus. I would say one fault of hers is a tendency to nag her husband (haven't noticed her doing it with others) and her tendency to complain/whine. Overall,she is upbeat, but I notice sometimes she gets in moods where she complains a lot. Considering sag, I would say its more of a capricorn trait.

I was shocked when I looked up her birthchart. I never would have suspected moon in capricorn!

Now, the second example:

I am a scorpio with moon in capricorn. Yes, I am reserved (very) and I do not express my emotions/feelings very well. However, I am far from cold. Most people would describe me as very affectionate, caring and generous. If they thought about it, they would probably realise that I don't talk about myself or my feelings or fears very often, if at all, and while I can appear aloof and distant at first meeting, once I warm up I let my guard down enough to be moderately chatty and friendly. In general, I am a very friendly amiable person. With friends I can be quite talkative and it is with them that I show my sagittarian traits.

With family, I am very caring and generous. I am very dependable. It is important for me to be there for them and help whenever I can. I am always the mediator and the comforter. I am also the person who gives sound advice and am usually the one to dissuade others from doing something I deem risky or foolish.

With strangers, especially in a group setting, I appear to have an icy reserve-sometimes more of a melancholic distance really--and I can be somewhat curt (not in a rude way, just brief and to the point in speech). In my case I do this due to extreme shyness. I try to talk as little as possible. I am not like this at all with friends or people I feel comfortable with.

I have most of the negative traits of capricorn in terms of emotional hangups, but I don't have a lot of the typical traits. I am not concerned with status or achievement (would probably be better if I was). I am not ambitious or concerned about status quo and am not a traditional minded person. I try really hard not to offend/disappoint or hurt anyones feelings.

In my case I think I lack some of the typical capricorn traits due to my venus in sag and aspects to uranus. Sun/merc and venus conjunct uranus. My ascendant in leo and loads of planets in house 5. I have a few sextiles to my moon which helps immensely I think.

But I also have moon square saturn and pluto which makes it all a lot worse! That is really where the reserve, the depressive tendency and need to feel in control of my emotions comes into play. Saturn is very restrictive. Self contained is a good word for it. I am also overly cautious with certain things (esp with money!)

In my friends case, her strong sagittarian influence greatly outweighs most of the negative capricorn traits. It definitely softens the reserve of the placement and most definitely adds more zest/spontaneity and action to capricorn which can be a bit dour and routine.

In my case, it is also the sagittarius (I have sun and mercury in conjunction to jupiter as well). But it is also my leo rising adding warmth and affection and PLAYFULNESS. I think both sag and leo also give a person a more youthful approach to life that capricorn definitely lacks.

In short (not!), its really hard to generalize any sign placement, as there is so much going on in a chart. While there ARE people out there who are cold and overly concerned with achievement and status and status quo, you will find just as many with other moon placements as ones with capricorn moon. Maybe some of them have moon square saturn with their moon in a different placement. Or some other planetary combination that makes a similar impression to capricorn.

Southpaw 08-01-2012 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by piscesascendant (Post 369035)
I do not have Moon in Capricorn, but know of several people who do. I have a... "distaste" for their apparently emotionless selves. They may have achieved much in life, sure, but I really dislike their cold, emotionless nature. It's being near a cold stone. Perhaps achievement is the thing that satisfies their moon Granted, there could very well be other factors contributing to the feeling, but I've noticed a pattern that rubs me the wrong way. Not sure if others sense anything similar.

Moon in Capricorn is alpha. I definitely wouldn't recommend Moon in Cap men to weak women.

Napoleon, George Washington, Hitler, George Patton, etc are all Capricorn Moons. They're brilliant at military operations. I believe this is due to their superior planning ability and ruthless nature.

piscesascendant 08-01-2012 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Southpaw (Post 408198)
Moon in Capricorn is alpha. I definitely wouldn't recommend Moon in Cap men to weak women.

Napoleon, George Washington, Hitler, George Patton, etc are all Capricorn Moons. They're brilliant at military operations. I believe this is due to their superior planning ability and ruthless nature.

I would not associate Capricorn Moon with alpha. The ones I've known have too many issues. Of the Capricorn moon people I've known, I have yet to meet one that isn't masking an insecurity.

Southpaw 08-01-2012 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by piscesascendant (Post 408199)
I would not associate Capricorn Moon with alpha. The ones I've known have too many issues. Of the Capricorn moon people I've known, I have yet to meet one that isn't masking an insecurity.

Alpha as in they are dominant and run things. I much rather have a Moon in Cap over a Moon in Cancer, Leo, Virgo, Libra, Scorpio, or Sagittarius any day.

Leading especially leading the military IS alpha

piscesascendant 08-01-2012 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Southpaw (Post 408201)
Alpha as in they are dominant and run things. I much rather have a Moon in Cap over a Moon in Cancer, Leo, Virgo, Libra, Scorpio, or Sagittarius any day.

Leading especially leading the military IS alpha

I know what alpha means. Moon is in domicile in Cancer and in detriment in Capricorn. It's at home in Cancer, not in Capricorn. All of the signs mentioned would be preferable to Capricorn for the Moon, except for Moon in Scorpio, where the Moon is in Fall. It's simply not in the most beneficial placement in Capricorn.

Southpaw 08-01-2012 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by piscesascendant (Post 408206)
I know what alpha means. Moon is in domicile in Cancer and in detriment in Capricorn. It's at home in Cancer, not in Capricorn. All of the signs mentioned would be preferable to Capricorn for the Moon. It's simply not in the most beneficial placement in Capricorn.

I go by patterns and trends I see in the real world and history. Mars, the planet that represents war, for example has been shown to be clearly inferior in Aries compared to Taurus, where it supposed to be in detriment when it comes to combat sports.

piscesascendant 08-01-2012 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Southpaw (Post 408212)
I go by patterns and trends I see in the real world and history. Mars, the planet that represents war, for example has been shown to be clearly inferior in Aries compared to Taurus, where it supposed to be in detriment when it comes to combat sports.

The topic is Moon in Capricorn.

Southpaw 08-01-2012 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by piscesascendant (Post 408215)
The topic is Moon in Capricorn.

and you still have yet to prove it's not alpha.

Traditional domiciles and detriments don't tell the entire story since you seemed to have missed the point in my prior post that you quoted.


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