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Radu 06-29-2009 06:30 AM

Top 10 Don'ts in Astrology
 
Good thread title, I like it as well...

I can't figure out 10 such don'ts. Instead, I'm going to rely on your help to find them!

I start:

When talking to an astrologer friend, never try to convince him/her about anything by bringing up your natal chart details, such as "I say this because my rising sign is Sagittarius and that means that I like fair play". It never works, only generates a reply like "Yes, but me too, I have..." and then you feel sorry you brought that up.

Ok, your turn!

Radu 06-29-2009 06:52 AM

Re: Top 10 Don'ts in Astrology
 
Another one:

Never use your astrology blindly, but rather seek to use it in a creative way.
Astrology should not stop you from going through different life experiences, but rather be your guide to explore and understand what's going on. Such as refusing to go out with someone just because you saw some squares or oppositions in your synastry or like refusing to do something just because difficulties are foreseeable in the astrology chart. That is bad astrology! All astrology aspects can be used in a creative positive way (especially true for your soul).
Astrology is a complementary way to improve what you're already doing, not to replace what you're doing. Astrology is not spiritual by itself, but it can help you if you're already on the spiritual path.

EJ53 06-29-2009 07:22 AM

Re: Top 10 Don'ts in Astrology
 
Never use astrology to avoid taking responsibility for your faults......If others find you agressive, it's due to you behaving aggressively rather than because you have a Pluto/Mars/Uranus/Asc conjunction.....Use astrology to identify and change your inappropriate behaviour rather than to explain or justify it.

aquarius7000 06-29-2009 07:25 AM

Re: Top 10 Don'ts in Astrology
 
Quote:

When reading a comment, never take it personally, such as "you're only saying that Radu because I do it"
Excellent point! To add onto it:D, remember that the sign being talked about, which might be your Sun or Asc, 'signs' every chart. Also, often it is the sign that is being discussed not an individual with his 'element X' in it. We should remember that before we become hyper-sensitive and go onto the defensive ever time we read about a sign's naughtiness.

Also, to everything there are two sides: good and bad (Aquarius might be detached, but is also friendly and the least 'I'-ish). Don't be afraid of reading about the bad. If you are already uplifting the good in your case, why then feel being spoken to or about;). The world talks about the eccentricity (just as of the genius) of Aquarius, and I read it with great interest (eccentric, isn't it:tongue:). See also my current sign-ature line by Robert Naughton. He says it better than I do.

Remember also another very important thing: 'Stars impel, they do not compel.' Even in the most difficult of times, there is that free-will to fall back on, if you 'choose' to do so. Another thing, there are many ways that a configuration can manifest itself in, so, don't take things so literally. Saturn in the 5th house does not have to mean you will have no children. It can mean that you will be a tough parent, or that you are too serious to flirt around.:D

One more fact I just have to mention before waltzing off this thread is that talking about the Sun's sign does not automatically mean that nothing else exists in the chart or should not be taken into account. Absolutely needless to say that the chart as a whole needs to be considered, yet this does not mitigate the importance of the Sun (the core identity and the ego, the centre and of life; all such as the mind, the passions come later), or talking about the Sun sign. Don't we single out planets and houses and talk about them, so why not just freely be able to discuss a sign. It's (usually) not the individual being discussed, it's the sign present in everyone's chart (the rest is usually our own ego and interpretation of what's being said).

:)AQ7

Radu 06-29-2009 07:26 AM

Re: Top 10 Don'ts in Astrology
 
Astrology doesn't help you directly and doesn't create opportunities for you. You'll have to create your own opportunities. Astrology merely points out: "Look stupid, this is an opportunity!". Astrology will not help you get a job, if there're are no jobs and you don't know to do anything, unless you are a professional astrologer or an astrology site webmaster, of course ;) Astrology will not get you a good relationship, but will help you understand your relationships. Astrology will not help you win the lottery, but rather explain to you why you didn't (that one is really a bummer, I should probably change it...).

Radu 06-29-2009 07:34 AM

Re: Top 10 Don'ts in Astrology
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by EJ53 (Post 147878)
Never use astrology to avoid taking responsibility for your faults......If others find you agressive, it's due to you behaving aggressively rather than because you have a Pluto/Mars/Uranus/Asc conjunction.....Use astrology to identify and change your inappropriate behaviour rather than to explain or justify it.

Good one, thank you EJ! It's so easy to slip into that kind of reasoning: this always HAPPENS TO ME, because I have this or that in my birth chart. How lame!

katydid 06-29-2009 07:53 AM

Re: Top 10 Don'ts in Astrology
 
Don't get so caught up in your transits/progressions/solar arcs/returns that you forget how to live your life.

I have seen some of my friends almost become 'paralyzed' by all of the astrological data they live by. Sometimes a little goes a long way. Obviously it is nice to keep an eye on the outer planets as they dance their way around your houses. But it may be too much information to know exactly where mercury and the moon are each and every day. :whistling:

Nexus7 06-29-2009 09:46 AM

Re: Top 10 Don'ts in Astrology
 
Don't be clever. An don't generalise. That is my biggest 'don'ts.'

The chart is a map after all and people more complex than black-and-white categories that do not recognise the full totality of a human being. The 'I know you better than you know yourself' just ***** when it comes across - trust me. It is not pleasant to be on the receiving end of that from someone who is more interested in proving that they are right than helping you o make sense of your chart - and your life. When you are clever and full of the brilliance of your ideas, you then lose empathy with the client.

Unfortunately most of the thought behind astrology plays right into that trap, IMHO. I took to astrology like a duck to water at one stage, but there was a one-sidedness in the way it is applied really put me off in the end, and it still does. It involves more in the way of beliefs than is often acknowledged - I feel - and to openly challenge some tenets can quickly end up with not being part of the Inner Circle. And then again, astrology is not an accepted science anyway - I had a successful course axed once, because the sceptics at the uni did not want their undergraduates having 'astrology' as a valide module in their degrees. So now, I follow with inerest the direction a lot of post-modernist inquiry may take astrology, along with what researchers like Garry Phillipson are up to.

Tracy Marks wrote a long list about the ways astrology can be misapplied, she was particularly good at challenging 'doomed, doomed, I say' prognostications, and also the ways it can be misapplied during consultations. Her list includes hiding behind jargon 'your Saturn on my Moon' instead of discussing the reality of the more painful aspects of that experience, needing to be needed (but then many a doctor, dentist and shrink may have done that to keep the rent coming in, let along being titillated by the role of astrologer), powermongering, sense of alienation that being cognisant of a special 'language' may bring in its wake - anyway, probably a lot of people know here astrology can be used as a double-edged sword

natasa812 06-29-2009 10:09 AM

Re: Top 10 Don'ts in Astrology
 
For a long time now, I have been collecting dos and donts on this Forum, just couldn`t dare to post. It is lingual / astrological and for general use.

Motivated with the post from Radu, here it is:

1. Instead of: He is a liar
According to: Beware in all Judgments, when the Significator of the question is either Combust, or in Opposition to the Sun, he will then signifie nothing of the matter, no good, nor is be able to bring anything to perfection.
More adequate:
- He is not in a position to do…
- Not totally honest…
- Suspect his honesty…
- Be careful…


2. Instead of: He is lying
According to: Planets in fall are uncomfortable and weak, having much less power to assert their own identity
And:
One Infortune joyned to another, if good be signified by their aspect, yet will it have no effect, or come to any thing: If they signifie evill, it's probably that it may fall out with more malice then expected.
More adequate:
- He is not in a position to do…
- Not totally honest…
- Suspect his honesty…
- Be careful
- In conj. with a malefic…
- Under the influence of an evil planet…


3. Instead of: Bad person
According to: Beware in all Judgments, when the Significator of the question is either Combust, or in Opposition to the Sun, he will then signifie nothing of the matter, no good, nor is be able to bring anything to perfection.
Planets in fall are uncomfortable and weak, having much less power to assert their own identity
And:
One Infortune joyned to another, if good be signified by their aspect, yet will it have no effect, or come to any thing: If they signifie evill, it's probably that it may fall out with more malice then expected.
More adequate:
- Not in a position to perform any good
- Under the influence of an evil planet…


4. Instead of: Jerk
According to: All the above
More adequate: All the above

Instead of: Weak character
According to: All the above
More adequate:
- A planet in fall / combust is not in a position to act with strength
- + all above


5. Instead of: Leave him
According to:
In every Question where Fortunes are Significators, hope well; but in Infortunes, then fear the worst, and accordingly order your business.
More adequate:
- Consider if staying with this person is in your best interest
- Since infortunes are significators, act accordingly and try to avoid emotional / personal / financial damage


6. Instead of: You will loose your dignity
According to:
The Application of the Moon to a Planet in his Fall, signifies anguish, trouble and delayes in the thing demanded.
More adequate:
- Be careful about your dignity…
- Pride
- Self-respect
- Integrity
- Your self respect is in danger


7. Instead of: Discard… it / him / that
According to:
We ought wairly to consider if evill Planets be Significators in any thing, for if they predict evill in the thing questited, the vengence is more heavy; if they foretell of any good, it's lesse then what it expected, it's imperfect, and nothing therein comes, without infinite solicitation and affliction, &c.
More adequate:
It would be better for you / the planet is indicating that… / the quality of his character or the situation will not bring you good


8. Instead of: you go to an orthopedic surgeon.
According to: - Your Diploma in Medicine…?
More adequate:
- Consider receiving an advice from a professional in that area…
- Astrology is not almighty science…
- Or no comment at all


9. Instead of: stop fooling around with astrology
According to:
- Strength to hold back Mars Uranus energy…
- Strength to hold back Mercury Uranus aspect…
More adequate:
- Astrology is not almighty science…
- This issue is overcoming the ability of astrology to explain it…
- And less adequate:
If we are fooling around with astrology than what are you doing in here fooling around with us?


10. Instead of: …tell the person I'm messing with which post I deleted.
According to:
Any positive Mercury Venus aspect in your natal…
Any positive Venus Moon aspect in your natal…
Common sense…
More adequate:
- Tell the person I am having a conversation with…
- Announce to the forum member that…
- Inform my co-member…
- Cyber sex is not allowed in here


11. Instead of: How dare you?
According to:
Any positive Mercury Venus aspect in your natal…
Any positive Venus Moon aspect in your natal…
More adequate:
- It would be nice of you
- Can you please…
- Try to fulfill my request…
- For the benefit of the conversation…
- For the benefit of the forum integrity…
- According to forum rules…


11a. Instead of: How dare you?
According to:
Common sense
Logic
Brain
More adequate:
- Please concentrate on astrology matters…
- Be so kind and express yourself in more appropriate way…
- People actually have feelings…


12. Instead of: Does anyone else notice the drama-meter going up so high that it cracked?
According to:
Our Neptune aspects
Our Sun sign (read Pisces and Sagittarius for absence)
Our MC conjunctions meaning career matters to look after…
Our Moon aspects making us ``soft``
More adequate:
- You are not noticing the drama going on
- You are not a holder of the drama - meter
- Some of you are earth signs and as follows very practical so you don’t look up
- (For Sagittarians only) You are so busy chasing… (anything – targets, goals, love of our life, the meaning of our life…) and you are not noticing the drama going on in here (or busy flirting…)


13. Instead of:
The "moderators" on this forum are such control-freaks. I think the reason for your complete tyranny is your own lives. You people probably have nothing to do all day and are scorned by every "real life person" you meet outside of the computer. You lack self-control, so you go online and apply your own control over anyone you can possibly blanket it over. That's sad. Maybe you should all group up into a nice crowd and seek psychological help together. Like, I don't know, a type of AA meeting for out of control people who sit on the computer all day and lack social contact in the outside world.
And ****, do you really think I can't see you being passive-agressive? Oh PLEASE
According to:
Common sense
Logic
Brain
More adequate:
- No comment


14. Instead of: Lurker
According to:
Common sense
Logic
Brain
More adequate:
- Please try to put some effort
- According to Forum rules, we should all give our own astrological interpretation
- It would be preferred to give your explanation instead of a comment on somebody else’s


15. Instead of: Spectator
According to:
Common sense
Logic
Brain
More adequate:
- Feel free to join any time (sounds very Sagittarian but if you have any better suggestion – feel free to join… J
- Contribute with your opinion to our beautiful society
- Enlighten us with your astrological knowledge


16. Instead of:
You remind me of a German courtesan
According to:
Uranus aspect…?!?!
More adequate:
- Your (well placedL) Uranus gives you a certain sexapil that comes out true your avatar…
- Since we have never met, reading your posts I have made a conclusion that you are a sexy person


17. Instead of:
You are not a man, gentleman, civilized person, the bigger the king lover the smaller the ego, a hobby of mine is to have king lovers with small ego on their knees…
According to:
Trine between Moon and Venus
Pisces AC for more emotion
More adequate:
- Please choose your words
- This is a public forum
- It is not a way to talk to a lady…

The ``general message`` is to choose our words, to speek in a civilized and polite way and to make this Forum a friendly and beautiful place.
Also, never to answer in an absolute way - there are stars falling and maybe some of them are lucky and will affect any ``chalenging aspect`` or transit. I am already making a wish... :)

[deleted overly sexual reference as it is against forum rules - Moderator]

lillyjgc 06-29-2009 01:41 PM

Re: Top 10 Don'ts in Astrology
 
Hi
Mine is simple , and learned from experience:

*Don't judge the client: Judge only the chart*,

and by *judge* I mean, * interpret.*

If you become known for reading charts and providing information that enables clients/friends etc to make more informed decisions in their lives, undoubtedly you will be consulted by some people who seem (to you, the astrologer) to be *in the wrong* in some way, so to speak.
I once received a call from a person who had just been arrested, wanting me to look at a *will this be OK* type horary.(Most people use their phone call to ring a lawyer!).
It turned out to be a useful astrological experience: I had a natal chart, a progressed chart, exact time of arrest for the horary!, and would have exact times of Events *along the way* in the legal process,and I would get to know the *outcome*, so I *just read the chart*and witheld my judgements as to the reasons for the arrest etc.This person also kindly gave me permission to share this information with other astrologers.

Hence, even though its sometimes really hard to *approve* of what your client/friend etc may be contemplating, it's best to leave yourself out of it and let them find their own way.It's not the role of the average Astrologer to *play counsellor*, but obviously sometimes there may be a need to point out potential pitfalls if a course of action is pursued.
*TIP*
Always check out the ruler of the 12th house cusp and note what is going on with that-often that is what the client will also try to *hide* from the astrologer.
Great thread, Radu!
Lillyjgc

Arian Maverick 06-29-2009 02:47 PM

Re: Top 10 Don'ts in Astrology
 
This is a pretty good list, so far.

Here's another "don't" that just came to mind: Don't use astrology to preach your own characteristic way of thinking/behaving.

In a similar vein, the experiences of all individuals are different. Don't assume that your own experience may seamlessly translate to others' experience, to explain what they've been through or to "justify" why they act in a certain manner. Don't use superficial examples to demonstrate commonality when none may exist.

Quote:

Mine is simple , and learned from experience:

*Don't judge the client: Judge only the chart*,

and by *judge* I mean, * interpret.*
This is excellent advice.

Quote:

Always check out the ruler of the 12th house cusp and note what is going on with that-often that is what the client will also try to *hide* from the astrologer.
In your experience, does this apply for horary charts, natal charts, or both?

Arian Maverick

P.S. It appears that this thread originated from another thread. Can someone please post a link to it? I admit I'm curious to learn how this discussion began...

Shining Ray 06-29-2009 04:25 PM

Re: Top 10 Don'ts in Astrology
 
What can I do? :biggrin:.

Shining Ray 06-29-2009 04:50 PM

Re: Top 10 Don'ts in Astrology
 
These are all my favourite ways to do astrology. :happy:

1. I am always judgemental.
2. My favourite pastime is to go around preaching.
3. I do try to be clever, but it never comes across.
4. I always generalize and stereotype.
5. I always panic under transits, but that's 99% of the fun, all the waiting and anticipating. It's quite the adrenaline rush.
6. Under Jupiter-Venus transits I always get money. The law of attraction is a powerful thing.
7. I always talk about my chart as proof of astrology.
8. I refuse to move under bad transits
9. I am Hypersensitive
10. There is no free will we are doomed.

I commit the 10 deadly sins of Astrology.:devil:

Seriously, it is good to have ethical guidelines to work with in astrology, and as long a you have a positive effect on people, and approach astrology sensitively remembering that a human being exists behind all those symbols and astrological jargon, we would all make better astrologers.

But I am not an Astrologer more of a hobbyist (is that a word), and I don't have all that responsibility on my shoulders, thank god :biggrin:. Astrology is fun for the most part. I use it to explore my own personality and events in life, it goes no further with me.

iwonder 06-29-2009 05:01 PM

Re: Top 10 Don'ts in Astrology
 
I can't say it as a "don't", so I will as "Do!"

Do stay open-minded
It gives an opportunity to view a chart, characteristic or event in a whole new light. For example, house system. If you've been using one, try another - you are bound to make new discoveries and add another dimension to your understanding of things.

Arian Maverick 06-29-2009 05:14 PM

Re: Top 10 Don'ts in Astrology
 
Thanks for dispersing much of the tension, Shining Ray! :lol:

Quote:

I do try to be clever, but it never comes across.
I think your post was quite clever. Indeed, I'm thinking about saving it on my desktop to remind me to chill out more about astrology and the forums.

Quote:

I commit the 10 deadly sins of Astrology.:devil:
We should change the title of this thread to the 10 Deadly Sins of Astrology!

Arian Maverick

Frank 06-29-2009 05:16 PM

Re: Top 10 Don'ts in Astrology
 
Never attack someone whose opinion you disagree with based on a configuration in his or her birth chart.

iwonder 06-29-2009 05:16 PM

Re: Top 10 Don'ts in Astrology
 
Quote:

Thanks for dispersing much of the tension, Shining Ray! :lol:

We should change the title of this thread to the 10 Deadly Sins of Astrology :devil:
In either case, we are about to commit sin #2 - become preachy :D

Shining Ray 06-29-2009 06:14 PM

Re: Top 10 Don'ts in Astrology
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Arian Maverick (Post 147968)
Thanks for dispersing much of the tension, Shining Ray! :lol:



I think your post was quite clever. Indeed, I'm thinking about saving it on my desktop to remind me to chill out more about astrology and the forums.



We should change the title of this thread to the 10 Deadly Sins of Astrology!

Arian Maverick

You know my Mars in Aquarius square Uranus hates rules, but these are pretty much about ethical standards, and I shall let them pass. :biggrin:

Shining Ray 06-29-2009 06:15 PM

Re: Top 10 Don'ts in Astrology
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by iwonder (Post 147970)
In either case, we are about to commit sin #2 - become preachy :D

Lol :biggrin:.

astrologer50 07-06-2009 04:57 PM

Re: Top 10 Don'ts in Astrology
 
I agree with the general concensus of 'don't sit in judgement of the client, read the chart' As has been said charts are all about possibilities.


Do's
  1. point out the good points first ,get them onside
  2. keep astro language simple so they can understand
  3. use analogies to explain things as in what planetory energies mean (something I'm really good at LOL)
  4. Take your time, have patience, you're not running a marathon
  5. Show enthusiasm, it's infectious
Don'ts
  1. talk people do death and remember to listen to client so you get feedback
  2. Don't be too specific (use guidlines instead) when talking over predictive matters, remember lots of transits can have lots of different meanings.
  3. Rahu
    Quote:

    Astrology doesn't help you directly and doesn't create opportunities for you. You'll have to create your own opportunities.
  4. Don't live your life according to what the stars/astrology says cos you will miss the most important "the journey itself, the people you meet"

EJ53 07-11-2009 03:31 PM

Re: Top 10 Don'ts in Astrology
 
Don't express your opinion as if it was a fact..........and don't assume that those who disagree with your view do not understand it.

Seymour 07-11-2009 07:14 PM

Re: Top 10 Don'ts in Astrology
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by katydid (Post 147887)
Don't get so caught up in your transits/progressions/solar arcs/returns that you forget how to live your life.

I have seen some of my friends almost become 'paralyzed' by all of the astrological data they live by. Sometimes a little goes a long way. Obviously it is nice to keep an eye on the outer planets as they dance their way around your houses. But it may be too much information to know exactly where mercury and the moon are each and every day. :whistling:

I was going to say the exact same thing when I first saw this topic :pouty:
That's what I've ever tought about it, being too caught up is dangerous because you might find yourself that YOU don't decide for your life but you let ASTROLOGY do it

smilingsteph 07-11-2009 10:24 PM

Re: Top 10 Don'ts in Astrology
 
Dont ask questions if you are not willing to provide feedback to the interpretations
Especially horary questions!
We spend a lot of time looking and reading into charts. If you are just going to ask a question, then be prepared to have a dialogue with those that are helping you.

beatnikgirl 07-23-2009 05:50 PM

Re: Top 10 Don'ts in Astrology
 
Big Don't for me is:
Do not read too far in advance for yourself or others, especially when in say 6 years you know a difficult transit is coming up, if you read too far ahead this may totally change how you react over the next five years it may stop you learning some of the important life changing experiences you need to go through in order to cope with those difficulties coming your way, if you do a reading for someone this far ahead I think the best thing you can is advise on how to make sure they learn some helpful coping mechanism for when they do have to cope with that transit.
For instance if you saw someone suffering with a difficult illness that could be life threatening in the future, tell them that it would be advisable for them to make some life changes to increase their health, and get out and enjoy exercising, to work on their body and soul and enjoy the company of their friends. So when that difficult transit comes along they will perhaps be able to overcome the health issues easier, will have a good network of friends to help them through it.
Or if you saw someone was going to have problems with employment or relationships, get them to work hard on their self confidence and personal security, so if that again they can cope better and are not as damaged when these things occur.
I myself began to read too far ahead in my chart and saw so many problems ahead in the coming years, I got depressed despondent it was almost a self fulfilling prophecy that I would suffer depression and this would effect my relationship. Somethings need to be held back until that person has reached a level where they are ready to cope with their problems and are adequetly equipped to learn from them but not irrecoverably damaged as a soul.
This is something I've personally gone through recently and think is one of the most important of the do's and don'ts of astrology, I think some people get off on the whole power thing of being an astrologer, like they have secret knowledge and they can change someones life, play god.
I personally have always seen astrology as a way of counseling people acting as a sort of life couch come therapist. Maybe that's because I have Aquarius/Pisces in the first house, I like to give people the freedom to develop themselves make any necessary changes to achieve their life goals and to support them with those changes they are finding challenging.

AquaScorpio 07-23-2009 06:03 PM

Re: Top 10 Don'ts in Astrology
 
Don't rely on scientists' word on "disproving" astrology simply because it cannot be tested (define tested?)-The burden of proof, a simple term scientifically, or for anyone testing a certain subject, is on the person trying to prove or disprove something. Scientists like to say astrology is not real (not ALL scientists by the way!) without consulting REAL astrologers and by saying such experts cannot prove it to be true. But what they forget is that it's THEIR job to figure it out and that jus because a majority of the population base their opinions of astrology off of sun signs only doesn't mean that's the way to go. By god, some scientists don't deserve such a label. They're probably christians (no offense to anybody)

Mercury 07-23-2009 06:40 PM

Do not make things up.
 
Do not make up astrological rules such as Mercury is in fall in LEO?? Not Pisces.

please refer to Bennefranco and Tennis sports predictions 2nd page.

Some body needs to clean this mess out of astrology it is a BIG BIG DONT:rightful:

aquarius7000 07-23-2009 07:44 PM

Re: Do not make things up.
 
Quote:

Do not make up astrological rules such as Mercury is in fall in LEO?? Not Pisces.
please refer to Bennefranco and Tennis sports predictions 2nd page.
Some body needs to clean this mess out of astrology it is a BIG BIG DONT
Sorry, but simply going by the above text (as I haven't yet read the mentioned thread), I don't take this as a 'DON'T' at all, for two reasons:

1) Tradtionally Mercury is both in dignity (besides in Gemini) and exaltation in Virgo, which puts it in both detriment and fall in Pisces. However, as per most modern-school astrologers, Mercury is said to be in exaltation in Aquarius(:D), which puts it in fall in the opposite sign of Leo. Now, one can, as has often been the case on this forum, start a debate out re traditional vs modern, which often ends in a stalemate.

2) This forum is for people of all astrological levels and welcomes opinions/knowledge, which will not always be 'by the book'. The aim is to come here and learn, ask plus answer questions, have a healthy astrological dialogue and share your experiences.

So, a BIG DON'T is that, whilst you may make your own point or even debate one that has been made by someone else, DO NOT be judgemental towards others or of their point of view.

:)AQ7

eviltwin 07-04-2010 07:25 AM

Re: Top 10 Don'ts in Astrology
 
Keep in mind that an interpretation is an interpretation!

Don't focus on it so much that you try to make your life fit the interpretation that you read in your chart. Because the same chart, another astrologer will read and interpret differently!

Inside Out Orange 07-24-2010 05:21 PM

Re: Top 10 Don'ts in Astrology
 
I always believed the biggest don't is Don't predict death.

On a related notes there are transits where you do tell someone to be careful about their health or sudden accidents and those are grey area ...

Kuntuzangmo 07-24-2010 07:21 PM

Re: Top 10 Don'ts in Astrology
 
Thx, Radu....very excellent reminders of what astrology is and is not.

Claire19 08-13-2010 06:03 AM

Re: Top 10 Don'ts in Astrology
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Radu (Post 147870)
Good thread title, I like it as well...

I can't figure out 10 such don'ts. Instead, I'm going to rely on your help to find them!

I start:

When talking to an astrologer friend, never try to convince him/her about anything by bringing up your natal chart details, such as "I say this because my rising sign is Sagittarius and that means that I like fair play". It never works, only generates a reply like "Yes, but me too, I have..." and then you feel sorry you brought that up.

Ok, your turn!

Well Sagittarius rising doesn't indicate fair play as such, that belongs to Libra.

The ruling planet and its aspects determine the persona or the personality that is presented especially at first.

Yes it is a common thing to quote your chart for the way you are when really the way you are is the chart, not the other way around.

ImNotThere9 08-14-2010 02:18 AM

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piscesnurse 08-14-2010 02:54 AM

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lily i love this judge the chart not the client

Ebenia 08-14-2010 08:05 AM

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Do not blame planets for your life situation.

Planets do not cause anything in your life - they just show what is going on.

Chart does not do anything on it's own - you have to do your own share.

Claire19 08-15-2010 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Radu (Post 147882)
Good one, thank you EJ! It's so easy to slip into that kind of reasoning: this always HAPPENS TO ME, because I have this or that in my birth chart. How lame!

Dont worry. I did that when I first began..... and it is valid to a point but we need to watch becoming victims or feeling powerless.....What we do with our aspects is largely up to us and our level of evolvement. The hard ones are the most valuable as they promote growth and strength.

Claire19 08-15-2010 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Inside Out Orange (Post 223412)
I always believed the biggest don't is Don't predict death.

On a related notes there are transits where you do tell someone to be careful about their health or sudden accidents and those are grey area ...

I totally agree and we cant always be absolutely certain of it as there are many scenarios and the flowing aspects can also indicate demise. It is immoral and unethical to mention this subject and even if hard pressed by a client would avoid it.

Giving warnings of tricky aspects is the way to go. Some things can be avoided and some are fated....

Claire19 08-15-2010 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by eviltwin (Post 218766)
Keep in mind that an interpretation is an interpretation!

Don't focus on it so much that you try to make your life fit the interpretation that you read in your chart. Because the same chart, another astrologer will read and interpret differently!

Yes this is common. But a good astrologer will agree largely with another good astrologer as to the trends....we all have our own way of looking at a chart but the basic principles remain the same.

aystro 08-16-2010 09:15 PM

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[QUOTE=EJ53;147878]Never use astrology to avoid taking responsibility for your faults....../[QUOTE]


Okey I for one shouldn't even be here then :tongue:

IleMacedonia 08-16-2010 10:04 PM

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Never think that the Planets are your enemies and that they want to hurt you. Remember to dance with the music of the spheres and with your willpower and determination let their influence in your life be as much as positive. In other words, don't be a fatalist!

This is my "don't in Astrology'...

weirdconjunctions 08-22-2010 05:18 PM

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Know your glyphs. I just totally messed up an interpretation because I thought Jupiter was Saturn. :lol:

Munch 09-03-2010 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by ej53 (Post 147878)
never use astrology to avoid taking responsibility for your faults......if others find you agressive, it's due to you behaving aggressively rather than because you have a pluto/mars/uranus/asc conjunction.....use astrology to identify and change your inappropriate behaviour rather than to explain or justify it.


i love this!

carol gibson 09-08-2010 01:30 AM

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I really like all of these thoughtful tidbits of wisdom. I have never thought about most of these before. Thanks everyone.

ilovevenus 10-26-2010 04:27 AM

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Nice thread!

When I research different sites for chart interpretations I see many times that in interpreting so-called negative aspects, astrologers tend to make finalized statements. For example: "This is a difficult aspect for fostering an out-of-control temper. Be aware of this very unappealing potential."

Astrology is a TEACHING TOOL.

The planetary influences aren't set in stone. We're not doomed in life if we have negative aspects in our charts. Astrology is meant to show us our potentials and our opportunity for growth in life—which usually shows up as difficult aspects in our charts—and is meant to guide us in moving past our obstacles.

Astrology should be interpreted in a way that teaches us how to overcome our difficulties when we are presented with negative aspects in our charts.
If you're telling your clients that their particular planetary aspect has an unappealing potential, instead of ending it there, show them how they can overcome the negative influence and move past their obstacles so that they can grow as a person.

C0rnholio 11-16-2010 09:06 AM

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Do not forget that we as humans have such thing as Free Will.

Sebastien Cheritte 11-25-2010 12:41 PM

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Never form a conviction of someone as contemptible or otherwise on the grounds of their chart configuration alone, which is an erroneous action.
- ImNotThere9

isn't that just OUTRIGHT annoying!!!!??
there are Senior members in here with over 1000 posts that are FAMOUS for this!

Never try to disprove someone on the count of your experience!!!
your experience is a twinkle on the grand scale of this craft if you're using it to pick people apart. Being an astrologer for 30 years and not knowing how to "feel" anything makes you a "titlist". Astrology in this era isn't a couple of degrees, angles and planets that make connections so you can assemble a theory using logic alone. There is a deep dark world of knowledge, one that shows itself according to how ready the student is.

Sebastien Cheritte 11-25-2010 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Olivia (Post 249605)
rigourous logic.

besides your spelling error, I can only agree with one point you make, but just to a point and no further.
Astrology has no credit. True. but not because those who are now enjoying the colorful variations of interpretation after almost no study in a university at all, because that's called self-knowledge, and freedom to be flexible, but because it's a study beyond the mind, and beyond logic and there where matters become 'felt', is no longer the traditional nor modern study of astrology, but a new integration of the understanding of universal energy.

Never use logic alone

RayAustin 11-25-2010 05:18 PM

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The anti-intellectualist movement is popular because it makes it easier for one to claim to be an astrologer. :smile: It's really disdainful, no offense, to see people who claim to be astrologers for decades or claim to be professionals and have no idea how to work with traditional MOST important concepts such as dignity/debility; reception, etc; which completely changes the meanings of aspects !

Astrology has always been an intellectual science that the greatest of ancient minds practiced; and the need for such intellectual prowess is the reason why it, astrology, has been ascribed to Mercury. So people who harp on those who use logic as if its something cold to do--that's how it's meant to be practiced, and has been for thousands of years. Like a science you approach it from a logical standpoint to get the BEST answers. If you don't, astrology has NO credibility and is why it has the frivolous reputation it has these days. Intuition has never been a principle of what it is to be an astrologer because we are supposed to let the planets do the speaking, not ourselves! :smile:

And no, this opinion has nothing to do with my personal 'approach'. Regardless if you're a Pisces, or Capricorn, if you don't have any logic to base your reasoning on, then what are you actually trying to prove and how can you prove it? :annoyed:

:smile:

BobZemco 11-25-2010 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Olivia (Post 249647)
if you do not have a firm foundation in the logic and philosophy of astrology, you're not going to understand it.

There's about 5,000 people on this forum who might benefit by writing that statement 100,000 times.

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Originally Posted by Olivia (Post 249647)
If it were possible to 'intuit' a chart, then all those maths wouldn't be necessary. I grant that when you know the concepts well enough sometimes you 'get' something from a chart before your conscious mind is quite aware of how you get it, but you'll still find it in the chart if you look. And if you don't - then your intuition is worthless.

That isn't intuition, that is rote learning.

After reading a few thousand charts you begin to see patterns, signatures and themes based on Planet placement, aspects and Signs. That isn't intuition, that is training and experience. That is why Lily (and others) said you should write out your judgments, because that's the fastest and best way to learn, since writing reinforces what you see.

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Originally Posted by Olivia (Post 249647)
I've really wondered about the anti-intellectualist movement in astrology over the past some decades, and I don't understand why it's so prominent. Yet - it is.

That's the generational Planets talking. It's more prominent in the US, but people in other countries can be affected, too. They are into expediency and taking short-cuts and they have no time and don't want to be bothered learning craft or "paying dues" or "putting in the time." They want everything handed to them on a silver platter and they are constantly in search of the "Magic Silver Bullet Formula."

You see that all the time, especially on this forum.

People ask about the promise of marriage in a natal chart, you explain the Houses, Signs and Planets involved, and then they start frothing and foaming at the mouth, "What? You mean I actually really have to spend an hour of my time looking at the chart and I have to interpret the Planets, Signs and Houses involved?

Um, yeah, that's exactly what you have to do, so you better get started.

My favorite is, "I know the names of the most of the Planets, now I want to learn Horary."

Yeah, right, that's like someone who just learned how to count from 1 to 10 asking to learn differential calculus. Then they get offended because they don't like your interpretation: "But my significator is trine." Yes, and it's also Cadent, Retrograde, Peregrine, in Detriment, in a Welled Degree and not received (and of course they have no idea what you're talking about because they still don't know the difference between a Cadent House and an Angular House).

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Originally Posted by Olivia (Post 249647)
Astrology is a lifetime study, and then some.

Of course. Even if you specialize or concentrate in one area of astrology, there's always something new to learn.

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Originally Posted by C0rnholio
Do not forget that we as humans have such thing as Free Will.

Well, no, actually you don't. You have limited Free Will. You can choose what to eat for breakfast or dinner, and a few other banal, trivial and inconsequential things, but that's about it. Your life is predetermined.

When the end is known, you will have done everything the Planets said you would (or would not) do exactly for the reasons the Planets divined, and the Primary Directions, Profections, Secondary Progressions and Transits will bear that out and prove it beyond any doubt.

If that was not true, then there would be no point in studying astrology.

Sebastien Cheritte 11-26-2010 01:19 PM

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Imagine having to argue (using words) with every intellectual snob (Hermes is smiling) about the proportions (logic) of astrology (???) and it's purpose. :D

That's taking into consideration that not everyone is a scribe (so there will be a variation in the argument, some will even be illogical, some will be creative and some will be intuitive) not everyone is a wordsmith (so there will be words used as means to twist the context while creating many degrees of the same truth) and not everyone is of the fabric of intelligence the majority of these snobs choose to draw from one tiny little planet, having all forgotten the essence of the minor is only made revolutionary in the major, not before - otherwise its just recycling information.

This simply means Mercury runs everything, until further notice - and it never comes.
So 'quick' he truly absorbs nothing.

Talking about paying dues or taking short cuts Bob. Not everyone on this planet is a work horse, or has to be - not for study or otherwise, but granted that most of us have to, those of us who don't will immediately become victims of accusations about our level of intelligence or the validity of our wisdom based on majority vote. Intelligence my friends, isn't measured only by 'study' or years of education, and massive influx of information in script form or calculus, endless testing or experimentation. No. Intelligence is something far brighter, more simple and a lot less boring!!
but then again, when you leave the empirical populous to its devices, no one is ever enough, and everything is always complicated! IMO
That which is little must be made more - (isn't that how capitalism started? similarly to those 'intellectuals' having to own words).
That only disobeys the laws of nature.
And might I remind you all, that the years when astrology was still at the gates of the next era, there was much to be discarded before moving along, that's why most information was done away with! And much more to be learned inside before there could be a manifestation of harmony; thus astrology is the study of what's inside, through an interest in the outside, yet it's become tainted by you lot and the pressing need to be right!
Anyway, I can't expect any of you 1000 and more posts to listen, the ego in this room is far more massive than the big brains will allow any of you to see, that is why there is need for a list of do's and don't anyway.

My addition to this list was one of compassion.

Speaking of compassion...

Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction.
Albert Einstein

RayAustin 11-26-2010 03:40 PM

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And might I remind you all, that the years when astrology was still at the gates of the next era, there was much to be discarded before moving along, that's why most information was done away with!
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Originally Posted by Olivia (Post 249868)
Are you familiar with all this material that you're willing to throw away? With any of it besides perhaps a bad paraphrase or three you've read somewhere about the bad old days? Do your clients ask you different questions now? Are they no longer concerned with things like love, and career, and family, and health?


Exactly! It's not arrogant to feel superior to the old ways that they need to be thrown out? I have a lot of contempt for those who don't appreciate the origins and traditions of astrology, who feel things have changed so much that we can just 're-write astrology' and throw things out.

Who and what gets to decide what gets to be thrown out, and do they even have any comprehension of it? No they don't. Old texts are still being discovered. That's far more arrogant; and lots of dead astrologers are rolling in their grave right now. :biggrin:

In summary.. don't try to rewrite astrology without having respect for the tradition. :smile:


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