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or1000 10-14-2019 09:13 PM

positives to neptune
 
what are the positives to neptune, i would like your opinion.
personally neptune has my least favourite effect. it is vague and blurs boundaries to the point of unknowing exposure. when looking into chiron aspects, i could deal with them it seems easier than i can do with neptune. same as neptune, chiron gives a compassion - but with borders. neptune needs structure and when you have no idea how, it becomes very frustrating and saddening.

AstrologicalCap 10-14-2019 09:23 PM

Re: positives to neptune
 
There are lots of positives... with every sign along with negative.

Positives of neptune can be dream like.
High creativity via all means... from art, poetry or spirituality along with many other things.
Neptune can also have a self sacrifice, rescuing hero quality.

Really depends on the individual

or1000 10-14-2019 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by AstrologicalCap (Post 1005900)
There are lots of positives... with every sign along with negative.

Positives of neptune can be dream like.
High creativity via all means... from art, poetry or spirituality along with many other things.
Neptune can also have a self sacrifice, rescuing hero quality.

Really depends on the individual

when aspects are hard, especially oppositions, it is very difficult to consider the side of neptune to be positive. and this is my issue. there isnít structure and instead self sacrificial inertia.

Domna 10-14-2019 10:06 PM

Re: positives to neptune
 
There are sooo many positive things about Neptune for me. One of the tightest aspects in my chart is Mercury opposite Neptune, but I still feel like Neptune is mostly a positive power in my chart. Maybe it helps that my Neptune is in the last degrees of the third house, because communication through art and music is a huge part of my life. I do have rather thin boundaries towards other people (12th house Moon certainly doesn't help) but with enough time spent alone to recharge, and give Neptune some creative outlets, I'm keeping a good balance. Any sort of artistic activity is like meditation for me, and very healing. And reading is the perfect healing combination of Mercury and Neptune. Escapism (Neptune) through words (Mercury). The Neptunian rose colored glasses can also be a huge help in life I feel. Most things look brighter than they really are for me, and I can see the good even in the bleakest of experiences. So yeah... for me Neptune heals more than it harms.

or1000 10-15-2019 05:09 PM

Re: positives to neptune
 
i understand your view points. i think it hits me that my 6th house is pisces with jupiter in pisces in the house.

Domna 10-15-2019 06:04 PM

Re: positives to neptune
 
I also have a Pisces 6th house, but mine is empty... I have quite a lot of neptunian things in my daily routine, and I think that helps. I also get to use intuition and compassion a lot in my work.

Ukpoohbear 10-15-2019 11:56 PM

Re: positives to neptune
 
Compassion! The ability to evade your enemy, an affinity with animals, water and nature in general, psychic abilities.

I also really agree with Domnaís interpretation, especially about believing things are better than they actually are, I mean, I live in a pile of my own **** but I daydream.

greybeard 10-16-2019 01:24 AM

Re: positives to neptune
 
May I suggest you observe the chart as a whole?

You may have a preponderance of Earth, a Mercury that is concrete, a dominant Saturn or many other things that may make it difficult to appreciate the subtle, the nuanced, the unseen.

Neptune brings wonderful gifts, often at high cost but worth the price.

Ukpoohbear 10-16-2019 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by greybeard (Post 1006171)
May I suggest you observe the chart as a whole?

You may have a preponderance of Earth, a Mercury that is concrete, a dominant Saturn or many other things that may make it difficult to appreciate the subtle, the nuanced, the unseen.

Neptune brings wonderful gifts, often at high cost but worth the price.

Can you elaborate on what you mean about the high cost please? Do you mean like how every planet has a shadow side, like Neptune can be escapist and delusional? Is it also that a Neptunian can delve too deeply into unknown matters and become disconnected from reality? I feel like my inner growth far exceeds my outer growth.

greybeard 10-16-2019 02:57 AM

Re: positives to neptune
 
Like, for example, I have a very powerfully angular Neptune. Passing through alcoholism (high cost) brought priceless benefits.

Ukpoohbear 10-16-2019 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by greybeard (Post 1006184)
Like, for example, I have a very powerfully angular Neptune. Passing through alcoholism (high cost) brought priceless benefits.

I managed to be drug free for 5 years but was still a binge drinker when I partied, then I started smoking weed after a break up with a boyfriend but it helped control my need to party and now Iím psychologically nearly ready to stop the weed smoking (I hope it hasnít done permanent damage but I like my sharper mind returning and being less dopey and lazy). Everyone thought I would be an alcoholic because I would get so wasted but 5 years later and I hardly ever drink and when I do, I can have a couple drinks and thatís it. I did get wasted on my birthday though but it reminded me why I donít like it (because Iím an idiot).

Congrats on your journey. Iím slowly building up the positive aspects but I know mermaids, fairies and all the beautiful archetypes are real. Neptune is beautiful :love:

May I ask, is it because your Neptune is angular it is powerful or because it makes positive aspects or a combination?

AstrologicalCap 10-16-2019 04:36 PM

Re: positives to neptune
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by greybeard (Post 1006171)
May I suggest you observe the chart as a whole?

You may have a preponderance of Earth, a Mercury that is concrete, a dominant Saturn or many other things that may make it difficult to appreciate the subtle, the nuanced, the unseen.

Neptune brings wonderful gifts, often at high cost but worth the price.

I have Mercury conjunct neptune... Mercury is separating tho in Capricorn.


And I definitely see the positives with it.
Iíve seen a lot of people turn dreams into reality.

My Mercury feels like it has a very realistic outlook tho.
So with every planet and sign. Can see the good has well has the bad.

greybeard 10-16-2019 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Ukpoohbear;10un06221
I managed to be drug free for 5 years but was still a binge drinker when I partied, then I started smoking weed after a break up with a boyfriend but it helped control my need to party and now Iím psychologically nearly ready to stop the weed smoking (I hope it hasnít done permanent damage but I like my sharper mind returning and being less dopey and lazy). Everyone thought I would be an alcoholic because I would get so wasted but 5 years later and I hardly ever drink and when I do, I can have a couple drinks and thatís it. I did get wasted on my birthday though but it reminded me why I donít like it (because Iím an idiot).

Congrats on your journey. Iím slowly building up the positive aspects but I know mermaids, fairies and all the beautiful archetypes are real. Neptune is beautiful :love:

May I ask, is it because your Neptune is angular it is powerful or because it makes positive aspects or a combination?

Angular planets are
always powerful.

Neptune is 2į52' from IC. I consider that up to 3į is an "exact" aspect. Neptune's aspectarian is not impressive.

Ukpoohbear 10-16-2019 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by greybeard (Post 1006248)
Angular planets are
always powerful.

Neptune is 2į52' from IC. I consider that up to 3į is an "exact" aspect. Neptune's aspectarian is not impressive.

You donít like the symbol? It reminds me of King Tritons trident.

Domna 10-16-2019 07:10 PM

Re: positives to neptune
 
I have an angular Neptune too, conjunct the IC. Which they say is associated with rootlessness, issues with finding a home or fixed ground to stand on... I've honestly never experienced any of that. I'm deeply rooted in very firm ground. Never had any issues with drugs either, nor any mental health issues. My mother suffers from bipolar disorder, with depression and manic psychosis, so I guess that is a negative of Neptune that has impacted me... but it's not something I have personally struggled with, nor did it impact my childhood. My mother is also a fountain of neptunian positives though... art, music, inspiration, selfless compassion etc, so I'll take the bad with the good. In my own life and psyche I have a hard time seeing any serious downsides to Neptune.

david starling 10-16-2019 08:15 PM

Re: positives to neptune
 
Transiting :neptune: is currently trine transiting :mercury: in Scorpio, 1 degree orb.
It's also 1 degree from my Natal-chart Asc. I'm feelin' it. Feels magical.

greybeard 10-17-2019 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Domna (Post 1006256)
I have an angular Neptune too, conjunct the IC. Which they say is associated with rootlessness, issues with finding a home or fixed ground to stand on... I've honestly never experienced any of that. I'm deeply rooted in very firm ground. Never had any issues with drugs either, nor any mental health issues. My mother suffers from bipolar disorder, with depression and manic psychosis, so I guess that is a negative of Neptune that has impacted me... but it's not something I have personally struggled with, nor did it impact my childhood. My mother is also a fountain of neptunian positives though... art, music, inspiration, selfless compassion etc, so I'll take the bad with the good. In my own life and psyche I have a hard time seeing any serious downsides to Neptune.

Long ago I went to an astrologers' convention, sat in on a lecture entitled "Planets in the Angles". The lady came to "Neptune in the Fourth Angle" and said... "Momma was a Space Cadet". I nearly fell out of my chair laughing. My Mom was called Crazy Mary everywhere she went.

Rootlessness, story of my life.
Got some Special Perspectives on life for my pains.

Lots of other Neptunian stuff....

Made a mystic of me.

So much depends on the chart as a whole.

Domna 10-17-2019 10:54 AM

Re: positives to neptune
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by greybeard (Post 1006337)
Long ago I went to an astrologers' convention, sat in on a lecture entitled "Planets in the Angles". The lady came to "Neptune in the Fourth Angle" and said... "Momma was a Space Cadet". I nearly fell out of my chair laughing. My Mom was called Crazy Mary everywhere she went.

Rootlessness, story of my life.
Got some Special Perspectives on life for my pains.

Lots of other Neptunian stuff....

Made a mystic of me.

So much depends on the chart as a whole.

Lol! Yeah, my momma is quite the space cadet! Or rather an unrepentant village eccentric... She gave me some special perspectives on life just by being who she was.

Allnotwell 11-14-2019 08:54 AM

Re: positives to neptune
 
I have uranus conjunct neptune in 6 capricorn.
My aquarius is 7 house conjunct north node

or1000 11-14-2019 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greybeard (Post 1006337)
Long ago I went to an astrologers' convention, sat in on a lecture entitled "Planets in the Angles". The lady came to "Neptune in the Fourth Angle" and said... "Momma was a Space Cadet". I nearly fell out of my chair laughing. My Mom was called Crazy Mary everywhere she went.

Rootlessness, story of my life.
Got some Special Perspectives on life for my pains.

Lots of other Neptunian stuff....

Made a mystic of me.

So much depends on the chart as a whole.

oh i do relate to this

OuterPlanets89 11-23-2019 08:24 PM

Re: positives to neptune
 
I said it in another thread, but Neptune isn't any more negative than the other outer planets. It's just the one whose core goes against modern society the most (in the US).

I love Neptune because it gives a deeper empathy, imagination, creativity, and interconnected-ness to a person. I find that an evolved Neptunian person is often the most unconditionally "good" to others (people, animals and nature).

The problem is that an overly Neptunian person may struggle more to survive in a Capitalist dog-eat-dog society than say, a Plutonian, Saturnian or Uranian person would. Their reality may feel so far off from the "real world" that escapism is common.

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I sometimes see the outer planets as similar to Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs.

- Saturn represents Safety, and the work/responsibility that it takes to ensure present and future "safety." Saturn's forces are strong and can easily overpower other energies, causing rigidity/limited thinking in bad cases.
- Uranus represents Freedom/Individuality, and the unique perspective it takes to change things. Too much Uranus can make one unpredictable and unattached, making it difficult to create the change they want.
- Neptune represents Self-Actualization, and our connectedness to everything around us. Too much Neptune can limit one's practicality and groundedness.
- Pluto represents Survival, because at the core of all living things, we must prioritize this before all else, even actualization. Strong Pluto in the chart is the heaviest energy, and can create people who are manipulative.

Naturally all four can get out of hand quickly, but only Neptune works directly against traditional definitions of societal success (in the US).

The Pluto/Neptune interchange and overlapping orbits are interesting, as they kind of mimic the nature vs. grace binary.

david starling 11-24-2019 03:46 PM

Re: positives to neptune
 
In ancient Rome, Saturn was considered the cause of accidents. That's why the Romans chose Saturday (Saturn's day, with Saturn as the 7th member of astrology's Sun, Moon, and planets) as the last day of the week, and a non-work day. Not a day of prayer, but a day of leisure.

Same with the Saturnalia, a festival of leisure, celebrating, and partying during the onset of the Solar ingress into Capricorn. It began with a ritual animal sacrifice at the Temple of Saturn to propitiate the fear-inspiring god.

I don't consider Saturn as being about safety itself, but fear of what will happen if one DOESN'T follow Saturn's dictates. I totally agree that Neptune works against surrender to Saturn's demands and Saturnian precepts.


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