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EJ53 05-05-2009 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DVANZETT
.....How can Chiron help in making relationships better? What should I change or do to make it easier to warm up to people again. I never had problems like this until 1998. I was always outgoing, had alot of friends and great relationships with co-workers. Now I'm basically a loner and have become shy. The same way I was when I went to school from grade 1-6. Then I became popular, well liked by most and alot of fun to be around.What has happened to bring this big turnaround in my life? Can you help explain Chiron's role here?

Chiron might not be the problem here, D.

In you progressed chart (at 27/01/2009), you have Pisces/Aries intercepted in the 12th/6th houses respectively.......with Cancer duplicated on the 4th/5th house cusps and Capricorn duplicated on those of the 10th/11th.....which indicates that something about your current attitude to the 4th and 10th houses is adversely affecting the affairs of your 5th and 11th houses, preventing you from reaping the benefits of Pisces/Aries until resolved.

Since your progressed 4th house also contains the Mars/Saturn conjunction of your natal chart's 7th house, this is the more likely astrological "cause" of your current relationship difficulties........particularly as progressed moon is also in intercepted Pisces.

I'd consider posting your question on the "progressions" board, where this possibility can be looked at in more depth than here.

EJ:)

Moon Shadow 05-05-2009 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by EJ53

Since your progressed 4th house also contains the Mars/Saturn conjunction of your natal chart's 7th house, this is the more likely astrological "cause" of your current relationship difficulties.......

EJ:)

Hi EJ

Can you please extend a little bit the above quotation? how are progressed houses, you mean houses from the progressed chart superposed on natal chart?

Thank you.

EJ53 05-05-2009 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Moon Shadow
...Can you please extend a little bit the above quotation? how are progressed houses, you mean houses from the progressed chart superposed on natal chart?....

Hi Moon Shadow,

In the progressed chart, 4th cusp is 2 degrees Cancer and 5th cusp is 23 degrees Cancer.......Natal Saturn/Mars are at 18 and 21 degrees respectively of Cancer, so falling in the progressed 4th house.

I compare the Progressed Chart directly against the natal chart, for movements of both planets and points/cusps.

EJ:)

DVANZETT 05-07-2009 08:19 PM

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E J 53, thanks again for the info on progressed charts. I will follow up on your kind advice. Without astrologers this would be a very sad world. Di

DVANZETT 05-07-2009 08:21 PM

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Thank you Moon Shadow for the links to Chiron. Best to you .Di

AspieTaurus 03-02-2011 08:50 PM

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I have Chiron in Gemini in the 7th house conjunct Venus and BML and opposite Saturn and Uranus in the 1st house, and all my life I have struggled with communicating my thoughts. I have a severe stutter and, like many people on the autism spectrum, think primarily in images, not words. The later gives me issues because I have "tip-of-the-tongue" moments a lot, not remembering the word for some basic, simple, everyday objects and it cam be very embarrassing.

Chiron Rising 03-08-2011 02:50 AM

SOS... Mayday... Crucial moment... Chiron under triple transit...
 
I need some serious and immediate help here.

I have Chiron in conjunction with my ascendant in Aries, plus North node pulling against my sun (almost perfect opposition).What does that say about me?

All planets (but Saturn) are on the right side of my chart. It looks like Chiron is pulling against them as if they were inside a net. As a fisherman would do.

If anyone can please take a look at my birth chart and help me understand it better froma Chiron based perspective, it would be greatly appreciated.

I was born in Rio de Janeiro (Brazil) at 18:00 (6:00PM). On September.22.1968.

I feel like Chiron is a central powerful figure in my Chart for the way it is located. And now that My Natal Chiron is under a triple transit of Uranus, Jupiter and Mercury; it seems a enormous opportunity for healing and growth that I must not miss. However, I do not have enough knowledge to take advantage of it.

PLEASE HELP.

R4VEN 03-08-2011 03:08 AM

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Good point, Svencanz. The only person I can think of off the top of my head with Chiron on ASC had the umbilical cord around his neck, and so his birth was somewhat touch & go.

The sign Chiron is in will be significant, also. In your case, Aries. How does this manifest in your life? Generally the Chiron in Aries wound is about feeling a strong drive to have to prove one's worth, like: I am worthy of being alive, I am. Look at how successful/hard-working/wealthy/wise I am!! i.e. the Chiron in Aries wound can generally be described as the wound of (generally unconsciously) feeling that you have no right to be here. Aries ASC is generally very dynamic/active, so you may not have much of an idea about how it is this wound manifests for you.

The child I mentioned in the opening paragraph is now 10, has Ch & ASC in Sagittarius, and is always pushing his parents' boundaries to do with what it is they believe in - and believe to be `right'.

Haven't looked at your chart (busy with other things) but by what you describe, I would suggest that Chiron is a very significant part of your overall chart, and so the `wound' itself will no doubt be highlighted as Uranus - in particular - forms a conjunction with your Ch-ASC. Uranus alays brings the unexpected, but with (sometimes) hidden benefits.

Chiron Rising 03-08-2011 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Svencanz (Post 271446)
Just going from your notes - not looking at the chart, since at work....

What was your birth like?
Chiron in Aries conjuct Asc could potentially be about a bloody birth - have seen this before.
Could also imply a "presenting wound" some scar or similar that people would notice?

Sven

My birth was through an unplanned Cesarian. I wasn't coming out. SO the doctors decided to cut me off before I asphyxiated. Someone once said, that was a sign that I was refusing to reincarnate.

Chiron Rising 03-08-2011 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by R4VEN (Post 271448)

The sign Chiron is in will be significant, also. In your case, Aries. How does this manifest in your life? Generally the Chiron in Aries wound is about feeling a strong drive to have to prove one's worth, like: I am worthy of being alive, I am. Look at how successful/hard-working/wealthy/wise I am!! i.e. the Chiron in Aries wound can generally be described as the wound of (generally unconsciously) feeling that you have no right to be here. Aries ASC is generally very dynamic/active, so you may not have much of an idea about how it is this wound manifests for you.

I am not active neither dynamic. I have low energy. And I feel that I am a complete failure, because I haven't lived my full potential. Hopefully, this triple transit will bring me a good surprise. I long for becoming the person I am meant to be, even though I have no idea how that person is.

R4VEN 03-08-2011 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiron Rising (Post 271454)
My birth was through an unplanned Cesarian. I wasn't coming out. SO the doctors decided to cut me off before I asphyxiated. Someone once said, that was a sign that I was refusing to reincarnate.

The 10-yr-old boy I mentioned in my above post did not want to be born at all. His grandmother is my best friend, as is very sensitive, and she picked this up while his birth was in progress.

Much of what Chiron represents tends to be unconscious, and so will be `dealt with' quite effectively by us, even without conscious input. It is only when we get stuck and unable to move, or petrified and unable to act that the conscious mind has a real need to enter into things.

Chiron Rising 03-08-2011 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by R4VEN (Post 271457)
The 10-yr-old boy I mentioned in my above post did not want to be born at all. His grandmother is my best friend, as is very sensitive, and she picked this up while his birth was in progress.

Much of what Chiron represents tends to be unconscious, and so will be `dealt with' quite effectively by us, even without conscious input. It is only when we get stuck and unable to move, or petrified and unable to act that the conscious mind has a real need to enter into things.

Thank you for coming out of your way to answer my question.

Continuing what I was saying above. Whatever the explanation is, I just can't find fulfillment, motivation and my mission in life. For the position that he occupies in my Natal chart, I think Chiron is the key (as Chiron symbols shows) for the solution. With all the pulling against the other planets, the load is very heavy, and Chiron is getting exhausted, and all the work seems meaningless.

Thanks again.

R4VEN 03-08-2011 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiron Rising (Post 271458)
For the position that he occupies in my Natal chart, I think Chiron is the key (as Chiron symbols shows) for the solution. With all the pulling against the other planets, the load is very heavy, and Chiron is getting exhausted, and all the work seems meaningless.

Thanks again.

Chiron Rising, I think that your Chiron position is important, but perhaps not the most significant one on your chart.

You have a Yod formed by your Neptune-Pluto sextile and with both these planets being inconjunct to your natal Saturn. This is the reason that you feel that nothing is working in your life. With Mercury-Venus also being opposite this Saturn that will colour your thoughts so much so that you feel like a failure, even when you are not.

There are some quite useful (but very long) threads on AW in relation to Yods - how they work, what their effects may be. I'd suggest that you do some reading................

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...pected+planets
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...pected+planets
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...pected+planets

I think you will relate to what other forum users have found about how a Yod colours their lives.

PS: This thread may be the best place to begin..........

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...pected+planets

R4VEN 03-08-2011 04:31 AM

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Further to what I wrote above.......................

My niece was born a month before you, and possesses the same Yod (different houses, though) on her natal. From beginning her working life as a professional, she has had `itchy feet' all her life. A couple of short-term marriages, numerous (and I mean numerous) changes in career, she has travelled a lot and lived life, even though she has nothing material to show for it - no husband, no kids, no money, no house, no car, etc, etc.

In her case, I believe that this has been the best way for her to live her life. She would have been bored with a husband, kids, house in the `burbs, house by the beach, large retirement fund. She learned early in her life that she lives & breathes - even thrives - by challenging herself. She does not judge her life or her choices - VERY important - and she is at this stage in her life, very happy.

Those with Yods - or unaspected planets - in their natal have a different, and unique, path to tread in life. Do not judge your life by the lives and choices of others.

Chiron Rising 03-09-2011 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by R4VEN (Post 271461)
You have a Yod formed by your Neptune-Pluto sextile and with both these planets being inconjunct to your natal Saturn. This is the reason that you feel that nothing is working in your life. With Mercury-Venus also being opposite this Saturn that will colour your thoughts so much so that you feel like a failure, even when you are not.

Thank you very much, R4ven.

This piece of information is actually very good news for me. I had never heard of the Yod before. Now, I know that it is like a giant flashing neon sign pointing to what I must choose to do. In my case that would be whatever Saturn in Aries and 1st house means.

I feel that I am lucky because my Saturn is part of a "magic trinity" (I don't know what else to call the arrangement) too, with my Mars and Midheaven. I mean, they relate to each other in trines forming a triangle. I believe that the "magic trinity" gives me a lot of resources to realize the potential the Yod.

Now. I have to find how to develop the potential of this Saturn of mine. It may require a Herculean work... or better Promethean (the myth of Prometheus could be a metaphor for Saturn in the 1st house in Aries, I believe). At least, now, because of your help I know where to work towards.

Thank you very much again.

Chirongirl 04-17-2011 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeremy (Post 76004)
My feeling is with Pisces that Chiron speaks to a loss of faith, this is usually exposed through issues with victimisation, in turn leading to a "why me?" moment which itself opens the pathway to healing through really exploring "actually, good question: why me?" We transform ourselves from being a random victim of blind happenstance into an integral part of a greater and transcendant scheme. Thus it defies logic, defies a breaking down type of understanding (as with the polarity of Virgo).

For you, there is something of that loss of faith connected with the parental axis, something to do with your father being the trigger for a spiritual crisis (maybe the mother of course, 10th/4th conundrum), possibly through being disinterested in you, possibly because he was more interested in his other children or too tied up with his career. Actually, both of these themes seem to be true. Possibly he had an extra-marital affair that was very upsetting for you and caused you to reassess your faith in the benefic nature of the Universe.

Possibly :) I hate trying to interpret things for other astrologers, because just by dint of being an astrologer, a person tends to be slightly more evolved than the run-of-the-mill type, but I am sure you understand that already.


Your post helped me to find my Chiron wounds. Thanks a lot for this post!

MaeMae 05-10-2011 04:12 AM

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I've been told my notion of Chiron is radical. I don't think it is.
In order for Chiron to heal others, I believe the wound in oneself' has to remain open. It is the impetus for healing, intimate knowledge of the pain.

Like a scab on heal, Chiron gets rubbed and re-opens with the other wounded. The pain resurfaces, the treatment and care is undertaken to re-heal it, and then it is rubbed again. It's a cycle.

I don't believe Chiron is a holy remedy in a chart. It is an ongoing point of suffering, which, until one completely closes the wound, covers it up with protective coatings, will continue to cause pain and suffering.

I believe, and from experience, know, that when I let my need to heal others assume precidence over my own wound, I will feel the hurt once more. I have come to the conclusion that it's best left to somebody else.

(Chiron conj. SNode Pisces in 8th)

C0rnholio 05-10-2011 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by MaeMae (Post 284587)
I've been told my notion of Chiron is radical. I don't think it is.
In order for Chiron to heal others, I believe the wound in oneself' has to remain open. It is the impetus for healing, intimate knowledge of the pain.

Like a scab on heal, Chiron gets rubbed and re-opens with the other wounded. The pain resurfaces, the treatment and care is undertaken to re-heal it, and then it is rubbed again. It's a cycle.

I don't believe Chiron is a holy remedy in a chart. It is an ongoing point of suffering, which, until one completely closes the wound, covers it up with protective coatings, will continue to cause pain and suffering.

I believe, and from experience, know, that when I let my need to heal others assume precidence over my own wound, I will feel the hurt once more. I have come to the conclusion that it's best left to somebody else.

(Chiron conj. SNode Pisces in 8th)

I think your view of Chiron is very spot-on. It's like a scab that itches, never heals, but if you scratch it then it feels good but it also bleeds. Yours is a special case though, being conjunct the South Node. No activation of the South Node brings any benefits or long-term satisfaction.

R4VEN 05-10-2011 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by C0rnholio (Post 284603)
Yours is a special case though, being conjunct the South Node. No activation of the South Node brings any benefits or long-term satisfaction.

Good point, C0rnholio, and I agree totally. Especially with SN conj Chiron in Pisces, the wound which is brought in is profound and deep. The wounding is felt at the cellular level, and even outwards to the generational level.

I also agree with what MaeMae observes about the nature of Chiron. I have Chiron in Scorpio, and at 62 I am still raw in that place which senses any attempts at control from outside of me. It will most likely always be there, but I am able to live with it. It renders me very sensitive/aware and suspicious of those who desire control over others.

MaeMae 05-10-2011 02:15 PM

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quote from R4ven - "I also agree with what MaeMae observes about the nature of Chiron. I have Chiron in Scorpio, and at 62 I am still raw in that place which senses any attempts at control from outside of me. It will most likely always be there, but I am able to live with it. It renders me very sensitive/aware and suspicious of those who desire control over others"R4ven- this is interesting to me. I have generally assumed that this kind of awareness you speak of, some of which we discussed in the Neptune/Chiron thread, was due to the psychological principle of projection, which I've always viewed from a Sun in 7th matter. As I think about what you write, it starts to take on a new light.

As COrnholio writes about planets conjunct South Node, nothing beneficial in it, is a good indicator that this Chironic type of healing is not a path forward in my instance.




nuthatch 05-22-2011 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by MaeMae (Post 284587)
I've been told my notion of Chiron is radical. I don't think it is.
In order for Chiron to heal others, I believe the wound in oneself' has to remain open. It is the impetus for healing, intimate knowledge of the pain.

Like a scab on heal, Chiron gets rubbed and re-opens with the other wounded. The pain resurfaces, the treatment and care is undertaken to re-heal it, and then it is rubbed again. It's a cycle.

I don't believe Chiron is a holy remedy in a chart. It is an ongoing point of suffering, which, until one completely closes the wound, covers it up with protective coatings, will continue to cause pain and suffering.

I believe, and from experience, know, that when I let my need to heal others assume precidence over my own wound, I will feel the hurt once more. I have come to the conclusion that it's best left to somebody else.

(Chiron conj. SNode Pisces in 8th)

I like this view of it. It reminds me of Pema Chödrön's definition of the Buddhist concept of bodhichitta, which she compares to the rawness of a broken heart that allows us to feel compassion for others in our situation and even others not in our situation. If we cease to feel that pain, that primal anguish so deep it feels physical (and sometimes is), we no longer have that common ground with others. And it's just part of being human, I think: having some irreparable brokenness that we can't quite control or even name, however in control we may feel of everything else.

My Chiron is in Gemini. For me, it's related to the pain of being (or feeling) unable to express myself, that what I communicate of myself is not what others perceive of me. I actually study communication in school now, and one of my focuses is on factors that inhibit the feeling that communication is possible in a given context--whether it's ideological conflicts or learning differences or social disadvantages. Frustrated communication and the anger and helplessness that can come with it is, somehow, going to be my life's work.

I also find it interesting that my father's Sun is in Gemini, and I've had a very difficult relationship with him my entire life. We spoke easily about intellectual topics, but we had a lot of emotional problems, and that's a major source of pain and doubt and fear for me.

But as much as I often feel inarticulate or powerless or ignored, I've come to feel that I don't ever want this wound to go away.

R4VEN 05-22-2011 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by nuthatch (Post 287197)
I also find it interesting that my father's Sun is in Gemini, and I've had a very difficult relationship with him my entire life. We spoke easily about intellectual topics, but we had a lot of emotional problems, and that's a major source of pain and doubt and fear for me.

But as much as I often feel inarticulate or powerless or ignored, I've come to feel that I don't ever want this wound to go away.

Your post is very well-expressed, nuthatch.

Like you, my Chiron sign - Scorpio - was shared by my father's sun sign, and his sun was conjunct my natal Chiron. At the time of his death, tr Pluto was very closely squaring my own Sun/Pluto MP. I am still in the process of unravelling the complex web of the outcomes of his time on earth, and how this has and still affects those of us who came after. Control, manipulation, lies, deceit - all regularly perpetrated by this very powerless man.

MaeMae 06-07-2011 09:01 PM

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Nuthatch -

The fear of reopening a wound is a very natural response. We know what the pain feels like once it's been re-opened or scratched. I think Chiron lacks the learning gene on that one. Often re-looking for trouble because it's the only thing it understands - rut producing, actually.

My understanding grows consistently regarding chiron - much of a libra & piscces influenced planet- put the fear ahead of oneself - certainly we won't die from it, we know it too well - but will it ever help us to grow and thrive?


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