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david starling 09-16-2018 12:26 PM

Overlapping Sign-Blending
 
I was astounded to learn that in both Trad and Mod opinion, the Signs have definitive cut-offs ("walls") at the boundary points. For the Houses, I agree, but not for the Signs. I use a 5 degree orb, with slight blending of Sign-qualities at the first and last 5 degree points, gradually increasing to half-and-half at the boundaries themselves. The Sign the indicator is actually in, is dominant, but it shares some qualities with the previous and next Sign in the very early and late degrees.
I'm pretty sure a lot of us are of this opinion, which seems rather apparent to me, personally. Aries on the verge of Taurus, and Taurus within that 5 degree range of Aries, for example, aren't the same in effect as pure Aries and Taurus by themselves [IMO].
Any comments?

david starling 09-16-2018 10:46 PM

Re: Overlapping Sign-Blending
 
Anyone else (wrongly) assume that all astrologers see it as a somewhat gradual changeover, rather than an entirely abrupt, either/or proposition?

petosiris 09-17-2018 12:03 AM

Re: Overlapping Sign-Blending
 
You were the first.

StillOne 09-17-2018 12:48 AM

Re: Overlapping Sign-Blending
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by david starling (Post 914653)
For the Houses, I agree, but not for the Signs.

Why do you agree for the signs and not the houses? It would seem to me that the signs have more defined boundaries than the houses.

david starling 09-17-2018 02:48 AM

Re: Overlapping Sign-Blending
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by petosiris (Post 914744)
You were the first.

No, there was a thread I haven't been able to locate which was all about Sign-blending. Not mine.

david starling 09-17-2018 03:05 AM

Re: Overlapping Sign-Blending
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by StillOne (Post 914748)
Why do you agree for the signs and not the houses? It would seem to me that the signs have more defined boundaries than the houses.

Because of experience. With a Piscean Asc and Sun, I feel the difference regarding the Solar transits, and see the difference in those born at the beginning and ending of Sun-sign placements. As for the Houses, those are areas of life, and Houses do have "walls". But the Signs are a continuum of qualities, and I see no reason WHATSOEVER for totally walling them apart.
Let's see if anyone else is blending Signs at the boundary-cusps, not realizing how unconventional it really is. Remember, I'm talking about Modern here. Trads will do whatever was done before. That's their job!

david starling 09-17-2018 03:19 AM

Re: Overlapping Sign-Blending
 
Thinking about it, this is a tropical concept, with a seasonal metaphor. The effects of the material Seasons do change gradually, with a mix at the beginning and ending of each. Robins are "harbingers" of Spring, and the uncertainty as to when Winter will really end after the Solstice, led to the "Groundhog Day" celebration. Even in ancient times, the Solstice was given 3 days to take effect. The trees BEGIN to show the gradual effects of the APPROACH of Autumn--it doesn't happen all at once.

david starling 09-17-2018 10:41 AM

Re: Overlapping Sign-Blending
 
Well, since instantaneous Sign-changeover is a cherished convention, I'll just agree to disagree with it, and let it go at that. The ship has long sailed on my Conventional Astrology credentials anyway! :lol:

JUPITERASC 09-17-2018 11:03 AM

Re: Overlapping Sign-Blending
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by david starling (Post 914810)
Well, since instantaneous Sign-changeover is a cherished convention, I'll just agree to disagree with it, and let it go at that. The ship has long sailed on my Conventional Astrology credentials anyway! :lol:

http://www.bahamasbeachfrontvilla.co...atReck-031.jpg

david starling 09-17-2018 11:21 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JUPITERASC (Post 914812)

That's the wreck of Traditional Astrology before Modern astrologers decided to begin the hard work of restoring it to seaworthy condition! :biggrin:

JUPITERASC 09-17-2018 11:38 AM

Re: Overlapping Sign-Blending
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by david starling (Post 914815)


That's the wreck of Traditional Astrology
before Modern astrologers decided to begin the hard work of
restoring it to seaworthy condition!
:biggrin:

on the contrary
the image represents the consequences of Modernist astrological
obsession with foisting one thousand five hundred asteroids on traditional :smile:
- and more discovered daily

Quote:

Originally Posted by david starling (Post 914723)

A year ago, an asteroid they named Florence flew safely past the Earth, but
was close and bright enough to be seen without a telescope, if
you knew where to look.
The hurricane they named Florence did not fly safely by North America.


consequences of one thousand five hundred asteroids on Modernist astrology



http://www.slate.com/content/dam/sla...ediumlarge.jpg

david starling 09-17-2018 11:46 AM

Re: Overlapping Sign-Blending
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JUPITERASC (Post 914819)
on the contrary
the image represents the consequences of Modernist astrological
obsession with foisting one thousand five hundred asteroids on traditional :smile:
- and more discovered daily




consequences of one thousand five hundred asteroids on Modernist astrology



http://www.slate.com/content/dam/sla...ediumlarge.jpg

No, it wasn't foisted on Traditional Astrology. That's a preserved restoration. It's become a complicated addition to Modern Astrology though, I agree. I'm a modernist who currently uses no asteroids.

IleneK 09-17-2018 08:29 PM

Re: Overlapping Sign-Blending
 
You two need to stop this bickering. <::sigh::>

david starling 09-17-2018 08:44 PM

Re: Overlapping Sign-Blending
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by IleneK (Post 914872)
You two need to stop this bickering. <::sigh::>

You don't find it amusing? :sad:

IleneK 09-17-2018 10:56 PM

Re: Overlapping Sign-Blending
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by IleneK (Post 914872)
You two need to stop this bickering. <::sigh::>

Quote:

Originally Posted by david starling (Post 914878)
You don't find it amusing? :sad:

Quite honestly, I find it boring and childish.
I would like to continue to know more about what you think about astrology, David.
I say, get on with it and stay on point, both of you.

petosiris 09-17-2018 11:00 PM

Re: Overlapping Sign-Blending
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by david starling (Post 914767)
Thinking about it, this is a tropical concept, with a seasonal metaphor. The effects of the material Seasons do change gradually, with a mix at the beginning and ending of each. Robins are "harbingers" of Spring, and the uncertainty as to when Winter will really end after the Solstice, led to the "Groundhog Day" celebration. Even in ancient times, the Solstice was given 3 days to take effect. The trees BEGIN to show the gradual effects of the APPROACH of Autumn--it doesn't happen all at once.

Weather changes all the time, not just during 12 days. - http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...os/2C*.html#11

petosiris 09-17-2018 11:18 PM

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Quote:

I would like to continue to know more about what you think about astrology, David.
Give us charts david.

david starling 09-18-2018 02:04 AM

Re: Overlapping Sign-Blending
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by IleneK (Post 914898)
Quite honestly, I find it boring and childish.
I would like to continue to know more about what you think about astrology, David.
I say, get on with it and stay on point, both of you.

You're a Facilitator according to my version of Astrology. You find satisfaction in helping others along their life-paths, which is a blessing.
I live in an astrological world. It's how I relate to the reality you take for granted. I appreciate your concern, but the challenge/response dynamic is actually helpful to me. Thank you, though!

david starling 09-18-2018 02:05 AM

Re: Overlapping Sign-Blending
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by petosiris (Post 914902)
Give us charts david.

Find your own targets to shoot at. :biggrin:

david starling 09-18-2018 03:15 AM

Re: Overlapping Sign-Blending
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by petosiris (Post 914899)
Weather changes all the time, not just during 12 days. - http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...os/2C*.html#11

It's just a metaphor, like colors blending. I understand the difference. Convention has it that Sign-qualities stay entirely contained within their own separate compartments, so no blending can occur. That just doesn't work for me, personally.

JUPITERASC 09-18-2018 01:53 PM

Re: Overlapping Sign-Blending
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by petosiris (Post 914902)

Give us charts david.

A reasonable request on an astrological forum
and yet the response is:

Quote:

Originally Posted by david starling (Post 914913)

Find your own targets to shoot at. :biggrin:

Siriusly

Quote:

Originally Posted by david starling (Post 913726)

Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee, the hand can't hit

what the eye can't see!* :biggrin:
[*Muhammad Ali]


JUPITERASC 09-18-2018 01:55 PM

Re: Overlapping Sign-Blending
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by petosiris (Post 914899)


Weather changes all the time, not just during 12 days. - http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...os/2C*.html#11

Quote:

Originally Posted by david starling (Post 914918)

It's just a metaphor, like colors blending.
I understand the difference.
Convention has it that Sign-qualities stay entirely contained
within their own separate compartments, so no blending can occur.
That just doesn't work for me, personally.

Interesting - an illustrative chart of your theory would be helpful :smile:

IleneK 09-18-2018 03:40 PM

Re: Overlapping Sign-Blending
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by david starling (Post 914912)
You're a Facilitator according to my version of Astrology. You find satisfaction in helping others along their life-paths, which is a blessing.
I live in an astrological world. It's how I relate to the reality you take for granted. I appreciate your concern, but the challenge/response dynamic is actually helpful to me. Thank you, though!

Okay, thank you for explaining.

david starling 09-23-2018 09:40 AM

Re: Overlapping Sign-Blending
 
Found another Sign Blender! There may be a lot of us, who just knew about it intuitively.

AppLeo 09-23-2018 10:02 AM

Re: Overlapping Sign-Blending
 
Here's the real zodiac wheel

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...el_360.svg.png


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