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Osamenor 07-21-2019 04:11 AM

Cancer Independence Days
 
It occurred to me that several countries have their independence days in July/Cancer month. Off the top of my head, the U.S., Canada, and France. The Cancer theme of homeland, our people, seems to fit very well with a patriotic holiday. That got me wondering if sun in Cancer month is a particularly big one for independence days globally.

So, I looked it up. There are indeed quite a few national independence days in July, and in late June. But there are about as many in Leo month, and the most in Virgo month.

I wonder if there is any particular correlation between Cancer and the official formation of a new country. Do the countries that don't celebrate their birthdays under a Cancer sun perhaps have other significant Cancer in their natal charts? Has that been studied anywhere?

david starling 07-21-2019 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Osamenor (Post 987628)
It occurred to me that several countries have their independence days in July/Cancer month. Off the top of my head, the U.S., Canada, and France. The Cancer theme of homeland, our people, seems to fit very well with a patriotic holiday. That got me wondering if sun in Cancer month is a particularly big one for independence days globally.

So, I looked it up. There are indeed quite a few national independence days in July, and in late June. But there are about as many in Leo month, and the most in Virgo month.

I wonder if there is any particular correlation between Cancer and the official formation of a new country. Do the countries that don't celebrate their birthdays under a Cancer sun perhaps have other significant Cancer in their natal charts? Has that been studied anywhere?

Seems like they would be more matriarchal, under the Signs :cancer: & :virgo:. Russia used the "Mother Russia" theme, at least before the Bolshevik revolution. Germany used "Fatherland", which links to the word "patriotic". Of course, we have the Statue of Liberty, which is feminine. "Lady Liberty".

Osamenor 07-21-2019 05:04 PM

Re: Cancer Independence Days
 
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Originally Posted by david starling (Post 987642)
Seems like they would be more matriarchal, under the Signs :cancer: & :virgo:. Russia used the "Mother Russia" theme, at least before the Bolshevik revolution. Germany used "Fatherland", which links to the word "patriotic". Of course, we have the Statue of Liberty, which is feminine. "Lady Liberty".

I'm thinking of Cancer in a more general sense. Yes, it's the matriarch sign, but it's also about family, roots, and your people, in general.

I also find it significant that LGBTQ Pride comes during Cancer month. Identity and people in another sense.

Speaking of countries with Cancer independence days, France's national anthem refers to "la patrie," also fatherland. "Allons enfants de la patrie...."

david starling 07-21-2019 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Osamenor (Post 987729)
I'm thinking of Cancer in a more general sense. Yes, it's the matriarch sign, but it's also about family, roots, and your people, in general.

I also find it significant that LGBTQ Pride comes during Cancer month. Identity and people in another sense.

Speaking of countries with Cancer independence days, France's national anthem refers to "la patrie," also fatherland. "Allons enfants de la patrie...."

Yes, and banding together for group security.

CapAquaPis 01-19-2020 05:26 AM

Re: Cancer Independence Days
 
The twin culture nations USA and Canada are different countries, but as cancerian, they strongly value unity and community. American liberty patriotism and Canadian multicultural unity are cancerian in having every person as an equal member in society. And may I add the republic of France founded after the Bastille uprising to started the French revolution on July 14, 1789, a new regime values liberty, equality and fraternity. The city of Paris named for the Parisii, a Celtic or Gallic tribe is thought to named themselves after a female deity represented either by Venus or the moon which is ruled by Cancer.

Lykanized 01-19-2020 05:47 AM

Re: Cancer Independence Days
 
Don't forget the fact Cancer is cardinal water. There's a facet of independence inherent in cardinality mixed with water, independence of self and desire to express one's ideals and in a way, bring them into tangible reality forming a poetic crosspoint to the opposing Earth element. Cardinal water = very spiritually charged action and creation which could include destruction of what came before for the sake of bringing in something new


Also, Cancer isn't geared toward group security. It's more likely to steer away from the group entirely to find security in the self. So if security has anything to do with independence of nations, it's about creating an environment that's more liberating and free as Cancer(ruled by the moon) is a highly spiritual and intuitive sign so the state of things may not suit it. Cardinality and that emotionally charged water gears it more toward either causing mass change in the external, or retreating into the internal. Not group security


Picture it like a bomb building up internally until it must destroy its shell, march boldly into the external world, and spur that massive change


You really have to go down to the bare essential facets of signs rather than looking at stereotypes. Cancer= cardinal water. So what is the energy of cardinal water beyond all stereotypes? Cardinal is actually leadership energy, desire to DO something, change something, start something new, create. Water is soulful, emotional, mostly inclined to be calm. But mixed with cardinality? It's about spiritually charged creation and seeking liberation of the soul so it can breathe


And... Cancer isn't about physical home, it's about spiritual home. It's not about security, it's about liberation of spirit. People often speak of Cancer as if it's an Earth sign. It's a water sign. So if it seeks security, what is that security? It's about the spirit. So this plays into seeking of independence on a grand level as often the external world can feel constricting to Cancerian energy which eventually spurs it into action to change something so that it can breathe

Lykanized 01-19-2020 06:16 AM

Re: Cancer Independence Days
 
Cardinality changes tides, brings in something new, changes the chapter, changes the season, changes the book entirely. That relates directly to national independence. It's different from Air, Earth, and Fire in that Water and Cardinal seem to be at odds with each other, but because of that, they create intense change, that conflict, as conflicts do, is the fuse for the bomb and then comes massive change

Brizabot 01-19-2020 07:57 AM

Re: Cancer Independence Days
 
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Originally Posted by Lykanized (Post 1022843)
Don't forget the fact Cancer is cardinal water. There's a facet of independence inherent in cardinality mixed with water, independence of self and desire to express one's ideals and in a way, bring them into tangible reality forming a poetic crosspoint to the opposing Earth element. Cardinal water = very spiritually charged action and creation which could include destruction of what came before for the sake of bringing in something new


Also, Cancer isn't geared toward group security. It's more likely to steer away from the group entirely to find security in the self. So if security has anything to do with independence of nations, it's about creating an environment that's more liberating and free as Cancer(ruled by the moon) is a highly spiritual and intuitive sign so the state of things may not suit it. Cardinality and that emotionally charged water gears it more toward either causing mass change in the external, or retreating into the internal. Not group security


Picture it like a bomb building up internally until it must destroy its shell, march boldly into the external world, and spur that massive change


You really have to go down to the bare essential facets of signs rather than looking at stereotypes. Cancer= cardinal water. So what is the energy of cardinal water beyond all stereotypes? Cardinal is actually leadership energy, desire to DO something, change something, start something new, create. Water is soulful, emotional, mostly inclined to be calm. But mixed with cardinality? It's about spiritually charged creation and seeking liberation of the soul so it can breathe


And... Cancer isn't about physical home, it's about spiritual home. It's not about security, it's about liberation of spirit. People often speak of Cancer as if it's an Earth sign. It's a water sign. So if it seeks security, what is that security? It's about the spirit. So this plays into seeking of independence on a grand level as often the external world can feel constricting to Cancerian energy which eventually spurs it into action to change something so that it can breathe

I absolutely love this. Thank you 🙏🏼

Lykanized 01-20-2020 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Brizabot (Post 1022854)
I absolutely love this. Thank you ����

You're welcome, love!
The grand majority of people really do not understand Cancer, imo. Highly misunderstood sign


Always got to remember that the moon symbolizes the soul and that Cancer is a water sign, not an Earth sign. So its concerns aren't material, but internal. And thus its association with security is because the external/material world doesn't align with the internal spiritual self. So the Cancer has two choices: Retreat and become a hermit, or go into the external and shake things up. Cardinality eventually leads it to the latter

Brizabot 01-20-2020 12:59 PM

Re: Cancer Independence Days
 
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Originally Posted by Lykanized (Post 1023016)
You're welcome, love!
The grand majority of people really do not understand Cancer, imo. Highly misunderstood sign


Always got to remember that the moon symbolizes the soul and that Cancer is a water sign, not an Earth sign. So its concerns aren't material, but internal. And thus its association with security is because the external/material world doesn't align with the internal spiritual self. So the Cancer has two choices: Retreat and become a hermit, or go into the external and shake things up. Cardinality eventually leads it to the latter

I identify with all the things that you talk about c@ncer. Yet it is hard for me to express it. I wish I didnít have a body and I could just be. This material world is hideous. I get so hung up on how things planned out for us. Thankfully we have people like you that is able to out this into words.

david starling 01-20-2020 01:50 PM

Re: Cancer Independence Days
 
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Originally Posted by Brizabot (Post 1023040)
I identify with all the things that you talk about c@ncer. Yet it is hard for me to express it. I wish I didnít have a body and I could just be. This material world is hideous. I get so hung up on how things planned out for us. Thankfully we have people like you that is able to out this into words.

The Sign with the most to gain from the tropical Age of Aquarius is :cancer:. The 2 Solsticial-signs are the farthest apart, regarding the physical world. Naming a dreadful disease for the Sign opposite the tropical Age-sign Capricorn is but one of the symptoms. Its ruler, the Moon became associated with "lunacy", and is now considered a lifeless chunk of rock by Capricornian Age science.

Monk 01-23-2020 11:52 AM

Re: Cancer Independence Days
 
A great deal of independence days are aligned to Sirius and Alnilam, some times by projected, but mostly by paran.

david starling 01-23-2020 02:21 PM

Re: Cancer Independence Days
 
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Originally Posted by Monk (Post 1023547)
A great deal of independence days are aligned to Sirius and Alnilam, some times by projected, but mostly by paran.

Is there a natural correlation, as delineated astrologically? Or, are these parans alignments a deliberate choice, continuing ancient ritualistic practices?

Monk 01-31-2020 06:48 AM

Re: Cancer Independence Days
 
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Originally Posted by david starling (Post 1023573)
Is there a natural correlation, as delineated astrologically? Or, are these parans alignments a deliberate choice, continuing ancient ritualistic practices?


As most countries have had or do have alignments to Sirius or Alnilam on National Days, i think they are deliberate, which means highly placed people with strange beliefs, but i could be wrong, either way we are controlled by Sirius, EEEKKK, ....LOL!





https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Series/V1983

Brizabot 01-31-2020 07:08 AM

Re: Cancer Independence Days
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by david starling (Post 1023045)
The Sign with the most to gain from the tropical Age of Aquarius is :cancer:. The 2 Solsticial-signs are the farthest apart, regarding the physical world. Naming a dreadful disease for the Sign opposite the tropical Age-sign Capricorn is but one of the symptoms. Its ruler, the Moon became associated with "lunacy", and is now considered a lifeless chunk of rock by Capricornian Age science.

My ascendant is Aquarius. I identify a lot with that too. Which i never knew until I learned my chart placements. But itís so interesting !

Monk 01-31-2020 12:24 PM

Re: Cancer Independence Days
 
Canada Day 1st July, using midnight day marker is aligned to Sirius on Nadir:-



http://files.abovetopsecret.com/file...yh5bdb0047.png

Monk 01-31-2020 12:27 PM

Re: Cancer Independence Days
 
What about 4th July in the U.S.?


Ancient Egyptian day marker used, the Sun rose with Alnilam, Belt of Orion and Osiris star at date and location.
Sirius=Isis, Alnilam=Osiris?
Hermetic philosophy?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ATeHR5Cb_0



http://files.abovetopsecret.com/file...az5bce06fa.png

JUPITERASC 01-31-2020 01:06 PM

Re: Cancer Independence Days
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Monk (Post 1024742)

As most countries have had
or do have
alignments to Sirius
or Alnilam
on National Days,

i think they are deliberate,

which means highly placed people with strange beliefs,
but i could be wrong,

either way we are controlled by Sirius, EEEKKK, ....LOL!

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Series/V1983

You're right Monk - this is a Sirius matter :smile:

leomoon 02-03-2020 03:08 PM

Re: Cancer Independence Days
 
Nothing in the universe is static which includes imo, the natal chart of a country.
I usually look up words that I don't use in everyday parlance, to make sure its the same I wish to convey:
ADJECTIVE - STATIC

  1. lacking in movement, action, or change, especially in a way viewed as undesirable or uninteresting.
    "demand has grown in what was a fairly static market" ∑ [more]

    synonyms:
    unchangedfixedstablesteadyunchangingchangelessunvaryinginvariableconstantconsistentuniformundeviating




Thus, it seems to me, we should be likewise, looking up these others to see where their progressed Suns and Ascendants are now located. I used the Sibley chart in my default program. There is likewise, one that puts the time of founding with Antares on the DC cusp or near. Antares was called by the ancients, "Anti-Ares"



I always saw the U.S.A. as 1) material minded i.e. "take the oil" mentality, 2) freedom seeking and 3) quick to anger (Sag Rising) cj. Antares.)


But maybe that's just me.



I also have Cancer Rising in my natal chart and an estranged elder daughter who is a Cancer Sun.

leomoon 02-03-2020 03:21 PM

Re: Cancer Independence Days
 
Here is a chart from Jaimie, for Canada:
https://astrologyking.com/canada-horoscope/


Their progressed Sun is ironically? cj."Antares" in their 8th house, while the progressed ASC is over the 6th and appears to be atop their North Node.



The USA chart I normally use, the Sibley chart is here:


https://i.postimg.cc/1VfrSTT3/USA-progressions.png

Monk 02-05-2020 11:17 AM

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Hi Leomoon,
We have a large forum here for electional astrology, which can effect normal understanding of astrology if not noted.


A great deal of the "United States" is aligned to either Sirius being Isis or Alnilam, Belt of Orion, being Osiris, which is hermetic philosophy.
Just looking down thread sections here i see that Brizabot comes from California, that at the time of being accepted to the Union on 9th September 1850 in San Jose which was the Capitol then, they used ancient Greek day marker, being sunset previous to date, while Alnilam was on the Nadir or I.C.


We all would gather that electional astrology will mess things up with interpretation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California

AJ Astrology 02-08-2020 03:40 AM

Re: Cancer Independence Days
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Osamenor (Post 987628)
I wonder if there is any particular correlation between Cancer and the official formation of a new country.

Hi Osamenor,

No, there is no correlation. When looking at your list, the first thing you should have noticed is the correlation between southern hemisphere and northern hemisphere.

Why do you suppose states in the southern hemisphere have independence days in November, December, January?

Because that's their Summer.

Weather has a lot to do with it. Ever try riding a horse in the snow?

They didn't exactly have snow-plows in the 1700s or 1800s.

And for the record, USA Sun is Gemini, not Cancer.

Monk 02-08-2020 12:09 PM

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The alignments are stars not signs, we can go to the Southern Hemisphere to "The Inauguration of the Commonwealth of Australia" in Sydney on 1st January 1901, please scroll down link to #190 to #196, the day is marked twice by Sirius and once by Alnilam.
This includes actual time of start at noon:-
https://www.astrologyweekly.com/foru...=126482&page=8

CapAquaPis 03-12-2020 11:48 PM

Re: Cancer Independence Days
 
For Paris, France named after the planet Venus (ruler of Taurus and Libra) it is one of fame, vanity, beauty, fashion and lively urban settings...a strong feminine energy is felt and Paris has a large LGBT population, this city has a Gemini and Virgo vibe ruled by Mercury.

david starling 03-13-2020 05:15 AM

Re: Cancer Independence Days
 
Paris was a Trojan prince who caused the Trojan War by abducting Helen, queen of Sparta to be his wife, with the help of Aphrodite. Troy was destroyed--Paris should have known better than to mess with the Spartans! Paris also ambushed the hero Achilles and killed him with an arrow to his one vulnerable spot, his heel.


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