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cella 07-27-2012 09:23 PM

Who is influencing Alexander against me? This is serious.
 
Hello!

I have been told that my love interest has been influenced by someone against me. WE loved each other but he has broken all contacts. I keep writing to him and try to contact but he doesn't reply. He is a sensitive man and not a rude person at all but hasn't even acknowledged that he received anything from me, not even the flowers I had sent on his birthday.

Can you please look at this chart

http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/...p763021382.gif

I'd appreciate any opinion and help!

Thank you!

dr. farr 07-28-2012 03:34 AM

Re: Who is influencing Alexander against me? This is serious.
 
Since the SN is posited in his house (7th house), it shows that disruptive influences are operative upon him regarding this situation; Jupiter and Venus are in that 7th house, so it is likely-since they too are sign conjunct the Dragons' Tail-that these planets signify one or two people who are influencing him vs you; Venus of course would be a woman, Jupiter could be a middle aged man, or a person with some kind of financial influence upon him, OR since Jupiter is your significator, it might show a conflict in his mind between Venus (the woman influencing him vs you) and what he feels for you (represented by Jupiter)

Hikaru 07-29-2012 04:03 AM

Re: Who is influencing Alexander against me? This is serious.
 
hi, i am a junior here, i'll try to make a reading, so if anyone see i am wrong please correct me

i use another method, and i agree with the good Dr.
for a different reason however, in his house, i see venus coming from his 5th, which may show someone who is romantically involved with him, either this persons wants to have something with him, or is him, for the possition of venus and the aspects with the planets on his 5th, i would go as far as to say that is both, also the planets in his 5th are the moon and Saturn, which tell me the same, it is 2 people, a woman and a man, however here i see the man being older.
on other matter the moon is via combusta, so i would warn you about this person who is around him , the moon in this place is not good for the querent, that means you. (i am not well versed but i usually is danger, perhaps this person may harm you).

again, if anyone would like to correct me, i will thank you since i am learning.

cella 07-29-2012 04:50 AM

Re: Who is influencing Alexander against me? This is serious.
 
Thank you Hikaru!

They possibly wudn't bother to harm me because we live on different continents. Does Alex too have a romantic inclination/relationship with this woman? Does the chart show what does he feel for me?

I am just guessing that if there was a woman or a romantic liaison he would have spent his birthday with this woman, not his parents but it could be anything.

How strong is this influence? Will e be able to overcome it soon?

What do you think Dr Farr?

Thanks again!

unteruber 07-29-2012 11:48 AM

Re: Who is influencing Alexander against me? This is serious.
 
Cella this is a classic horary chart. You (jupiter) are sitting in the his house (7th house). Making you more interested in the matter. As pointed by others Venus is present in the 7th house which obviously translates to other woman. There seems to be a sextile between you and him so things are not over and there is substantial pull between the two of you. You need to post charts in regiomontanus and whole sign house systems to make it clearer..

cella 07-29-2012 12:12 PM

Re: Who is influencing Alexander against me? This is serious.
 
http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/...4360357057.gif

I donno how to create it in whole sign. But this one is in Reigo. Can this be any woman or is his love interest?

cella 07-29-2012 12:20 PM

Re: Who is influencing Alexander against me? This is serious.
 
Here's the whole sign...

http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/.../Wholesign.gif


Thanks Unter!

unteruber 07-29-2012 12:24 PM

Re: Who is influencing Alexander against me? This is serious.
 
there is a separating sextile between you and his signifactors. which indicates that the matter is past. not good news.

you are situated in gemini, 7th house. there is a reception between you and him i.e. he receives you. loosely speaking he is interested in you. (according to frawley this is the other way around but most traditionals will agree with the first interpretation).

he is in the 9th house which indicates matters related with foreign lands, spirituality.

you are in his 11th house, house of friends, well-wishers.

mercury has only two major aspects one with you (jup) and other one with mars, which might indicate a young man.

rafaella 08-04-2012 02:45 PM

Re: Who is influencing Alexander against me? This is serious.
 
It could be either a friend, as shown by last aspect from Mercury to Mars. Mars rules the hidden secretive 12th and his turned 11th of friends. It can also be a sibling, does he have any? Sun rules his turned 3rd of sibling. He is quite in bad shape, not only Rx but also combust, so just leave this matter for now, you cant do much right now. He is too blinded and overwhelmed, someone definitely is putting some pressure on him (Combustion), he is not able to think clearly. Yes Mercury will aspect with Jupiter once again, I think it will be later in august....so give it time....

best wishes!

summer92 08-04-2012 03:04 PM

Re: Who is influencing Alexander against me? This is serious.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rafaella (Post 409099)
It could be either a friend, as shown by last aspect from Mercury to Mars. Mars rules the hidden secretive 12th and his turned 11th of friends. It can also be a sibling, does he have any? Sun rules his turned 3rd of sibling. He is quite in bad shape, not only Rx but also combust, so just leave this matter for now, you cant do much right now. He is too blinded and overwhelmed, someone definitely is putting some pressure on him (Combustion), he is not able to think clearly. Yes Mercury will aspect with Jupiter once again, I think it will be later in august....so give it time....

best wishes!

Rafaella,could the turned 3rd house also mean a neighbor?

cella 08-04-2012 03:05 PM

Re: Who is influencing Alexander against me? This is serious.
 
Thank you Rafaella! He has an elder sister.

rafaella 08-04-2012 03:12 PM

Re: Who is influencing Alexander against me? This is serious.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by summer92 (Post 409103)
Rafaella,could the turned 3rd house also mean a neighbor?

Yes 3rd does rule neighbour too, but I dont think that seems plausible, unless he is really close to the neighbour. Its most likely a family member or a friend (Mars).

What is his relationship with the sister? And have you met her?

cella 08-04-2012 03:22 PM

Re: Who is influencing Alexander against me? This is serious.
 
I think they share a good relationship. He always buys gifts for her children and is really fond of them. I didn't meet her but when I was with him at his parents' place she visited the house (just to water the plants) for a few minutes. He told her that I have a visitor in the house but she didn't ask anything about the visitor. I was upstairs in the guest room and saw her thru the window, she didn't see me.

cella 08-04-2012 06:39 PM

Re: Who is influencing Alexander against me? This is serious.
 
[QUOTE=rafaella;409106]Yes 3rd does rule neighbour too, but I dont think that seems plausible, unless he is really close to the neighbour. Its most likely a family member or a friend (Mars).

He has a flatmate who is a woman. He seems to be quite fond of her and they share a good rapport. Can she re[resent the neighbour here?

cella 08-31-2012 03:01 PM

Re: Who is influencing Alexander against me? This is serious.
 
[QUOTE=rafaella;409099] Yes Mercury will aspect with Jupiter once again, I think it will be later in august....so give it time....

The month ends today. I had sent a texto to him yesterday, a funny one but he hasn't replied yet. Can "later in August' estimation extend to Early September?

rafaella 09-08-2012 02:04 PM

Re: Who is influencing Alexander against me? This is serious.
 
Hey Cella,

I got your message. I think you may need to ask another horary with whatever question is on your mind. This chart shows a very debilitated situation and deriving answer from it about his contact is not reliable. Secondly, this chart was more regarding influences around him, not really communication between you....So a communication chart might make it more clear....

cheers!

cella 09-08-2012 02:08 PM

Re: Who is influencing Alexander against me? This is serious.
 
Thanks for replying Rafaella! Do you mean that I shud cast a chart asking "when will he talk with me?"

Quote:

Originally Posted by rafaella (Post 417109)
Hey Cella,

I got your message. I think you may need to ask another horary with whatever question is on your mind. This chart shows a very debilitated situation and deriving answer from it about his contact is not reliable. Secondly, this chart was more regarding influences around him, not really communication between you....So a communication chart might make it more clear....

cheers!


cella 09-08-2012 02:13 PM

Re: Who is influencing Alexander against me? This is serious.
 
Since the chart shows "Mercury will aspect with Jupiter once again", can we conclude that even under this influence he will have a positive feeling towards me, he will shirk all the influence and decide in my favour? or something of that sort?

rafaella 09-08-2012 02:26 PM

Re: Who is influencing Alexander against me? This is serious.
 
It looks more like the chart showed the situation at the time of question, not really the future or his positivity towards you. You only asked about influences around him at that time, the chart pointed to him changing his mind and not thinking clearly. Whether he will be positive towards you in the future is another question.

Sometimes aspects in the chart and ephemeris work together, but this time it didn't...Moon apsects show future/outcome, and being conjucnt Saturn just showed restriction...

aquarius7000 09-08-2012 03:48 PM

Re: Who is influencing Alexander against me? This is serious.
 
Hi,

I think this could have to do with somebody's involvement with him, with Ven ruling his 5th and 12th, something that is behind the scenes. There could also be an involvement of money/some kind of a joint enterprise somehow. You, as Jup in the 7th (his house), reflects your interest in him, perhaps also your influence upon him. However, with Jup in detriment in Gem, it is weak. Ven, on the other hand, in 7th is in a slightly better position.

Merc's (he) next aspect will be a sextile to Jup, which is you, so there is a slight chance of clarity in the situation/improvment. Jup rules his 10th and Mars his 6th. Mer will, after Jup, go to meet Mars, which gives me the feeling this coud be a co-worker, or a friend (Mars rules his 11th). With the Moon (our co-sig plus chart's driving force) moving towards Sat (which is strong in Lib), I think you should get to know about this either through a (common) friend, or maybe even from him (Sat in 11th and rules the 3rd). The S Node in the 7th poses some kind of an obstacle (S Node acts more like Sat), clearly very telling of your situation. The chart also 'garners' the situation and reflects the question/concern well. Please let us know, and all the best.

:)AQ7

cella 09-08-2012 04:11 PM

Re: Who is influencing Alexander against me? This is serious.
 
Thank you aquarius7000!

He has a new person working with him who joined him at his studio a few months back. Alex was in the initial phase of establishing himself at his new new business.

What do you mean by "my influence on him"? What sort of influence do you see?

I can't know anything from him because he isn't talking to me for a long time now and we do not have any common friend.

After Rafaella's interpretation I was hoping that we will talk soon but it didn't happen.

The day he talks with me, I'll get the news published in the newspapers...hehe...yes I'll update whenever anything develops :)

aquarius7000 09-08-2012 04:41 PM

Re: Who is influencing Alexander against me? This is serious.
 
Hi,

Yes, at least to me the chart says that this 'unknown' intruder (Ven) is someone from his workplace, like I said earlier.

As to what I meant re " your influence upon him" is just that. With Jup weak in Gem and closer to the S Node, your influence upon/ your connection to him is weak, which it is, as also said. You don't have to be in touch with a person to influence him. He is on your mind, isn't he? Jup in his house, shows your interest in him, as also said.

With my own Mer combust, I sometimes tend to overlook certain details, which I now notice: Moon is via combusta, which can sometimes literally be telling of the (weakness of the) situation. Moon is your co-sig and the engine of the chart. The intention behind the question (as the context is very important) is whether he will get back to (maybe with) you, even though the question itself is different. In that context and with a via combusta Moon (weak), plus Moon going to meet Sat, Sat can only show 2 things: an obstacle for you that you cannot overcome, at least right now. Why? Your sig and co-sig are both weak. Ven will meet Sat right after you (Moon), and Ven is in a better position and is going to meet a strong Sat. In reality, I'd let the sitation rest, if and until he gets back to you. If the Moon were not doing that poorly, and with Sat signifying your 3rd house, it would have shown a contact re-establishment clearly. However, as you can see, Moon is long past that Sat, and contact has not happened. On the other hand, what are your options, if you didn't pay heed to Astrology, so you can get on with your life? Set yourself a time limit, if he doesn't contact you, you are still interested in him, then you contact him. If and whether he responds, you will know for sure.

Best always
:)AQ7

cella 09-08-2012 04:52 PM

Re: Who is influencing Alexander against me? This is serious.
 
AQ7,

Thanks for explaining things to me. I love him irrespective of the fact whether he loves me or not. There's is hardly any moment when he is not there on my mind. With that being said, I don't know when (if ever) will I lose the hope of getting to talk with him....till then I'll keep trying.

cella 10-16-2012 05:08 PM

Re: Who is influencing Alexander against me? This is serious.
 
UPDATE-

Alexander wrote to me today that he is in a relationship and I should stop contacting him. It is destroying his relationship.

It's over now so we can close the thread.

I sincerely thank everyone who had spent time on my chart and helped me.


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