Will I never have friends?

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AppLeo

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When I look at my 11th house (house of friends) the ruler of that house is Mars. I have a day chart, so by sect, Mars becomes my worst planet. Mars's evil is exacerbated by its debilitation in Cancer. And to make things even WORSE, it's exactly conjunct my descendant, so it gains prominence being on an angle.

I've never really had friends or felt connected to people. I avoid large groups and communities. A solitary lifestyle seems to bring me the most peace because whenever I'm around people, it's like they make me feel bad about myself, abuse my time and energy, or I have this need to cut them out of my life.

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CapAquaPis

CapAquaPis

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A Chiron (wound) in the 11th house (friends, community and society)...I have that in my own 11th under Taurus ruled by Venus however which is conjunct MC in the 10th. Knowing you and myself, we can be too open, come off rude or crass, opinionated, deemed inappropriate and displays improper sense of self. Your planet Mars should be more malefic than my own planet Venus which has conjunct feminine energy of other influences Pallas, Ceres and Eris but in Aries.
 
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AppLeo

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Do I really come off as crude and inappropriate to you?

But you make a good point about Chiron. I forgot about that. That seems to only solidify what I mentioned above.
 
waybread

waybread

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AppLeo, With Mars ruling your 11th house from the 7th house of open enemies, I think you expressed that when you wrote:

whenever I'm around people, it's like they make me feel bad about myself, abuse my time and energy...
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You do seem to see other people as the enemy. It's not that you feel badly around other people: but "they" actively make you feel that way. "They" actively abuse your time and energy.

And you're the passive recipient of this, right?

Saturn square sun can confer real issues with self-esteem. The wounded lion retreats to his solitary den to lick his wounds.

Maybe it's time to take responsibility for your part of the equation. People can't just make you feel rotten without your permission.

But beyond that, maybe you're just cut out to be a loner. 8th house people tend to be very private.

The question is, what exactly do you want?
 
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AppLeo

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waybread said:
AppLeo, With Mars ruling your 11th house from the 7th house of open enemies, I think you expressed that when you wrote:



You do seem to see other people as the enemy. It's not that you feel badly around other people: but "they" actively make you feel that way. "They" actively abuse your time and energy.

And you're the passive recipient of this, right?
Yes, I often become a doormat or feel taken for granted by "friends"

waybread said:
Saturn square sun can confer real issues with self-esteem. The wounded lion retreats to his solitary den to lick his wounds.

Maybe it's time to take responsibility for your part of the equation. People can't just make you feel rotten without your permission.

But beyond that, maybe you're just cut out to be a loner. 8th house people tend to be very private.

The question is, what exactly do you want?
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Sun-Saturn suggests a negative and losing approach to life that stops one from trying.

The thing is, I want friends, but I wonder if the astrology says that I'm fated or doomed to loneliness. Since the people I come in contact with don't have my best interest.
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obsidianmineral

obsidianmineral

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waybread said:
AppLeo, With Mars ruling your 11th house from the 7th house of open enemies, I think you expressed that when you wrote:



You do seem to see other people as the enemy. It's not that you feel badly around other people: but "they" actively make you feel that way. "They" actively abuse your time and energy.

And you're the passive recipient of this, right?

Saturn square sun can confer real issues with self-esteem. The wounded lion retreats to his solitary den to lick his wounds.

Maybe it's time to take responsibility for your part of the equation. People can't just make you feel rotten without your permission.

But beyond that, maybe you're just cut out to be a loner. 8th house people tend to be very private.

The question is, what exactly do you want?
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I agree with this, I think. There seems to be quite the spiritual ride promised in the natal chart. Sun in aspect with generationals, in the 8th with Moon in the 9th, also aspecting a generational planet.

Some people write the generationals off but I believe it's because they don't even understand them. They're the most complex. Either way, the main focus of the native seems to be to find transformation. There is light and good will in the Sun in Leo, and his mission in life is to dig deep within and find meaning in all of his trauma so he can be reborn. There is definitely capacity to make it happen (since Sun trines Pluto).

I think planets conjunct to the angles are usually the easiest to spot because they tend to show easily observable events. With Mars in Cancer conjunct the Descendant there, it seems to me like there's a desire to actually connect with others.

I see the 7th house as the way we psychologically view ourselves when we confront others. OP might be serious with other people, considering his ruler is trining Saturn and squaring Pluto. He may view creative outlets as something that shield him from having to deal with others in general. Saturn is in the Moon's exaltation, after all.

To be honest, I'd really like to read this chart more deeply but I think it is hard as hell to understand what the cosmic charts tell us. I'm not a beginner but I'm no expert either. If we're gonna go down the generalization path then it's easy.. but once you know just how much you would need to know about astrology to be able to stop generalizing you just feel baffled and overwhelmed.
 
IleneK

IleneK

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AppLeo said:
Do I really come off as crude and inappropriate to you?
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Often you do. Not crude; more insolent or rude. But I don't think you are intentionally doing so.
There is a real inner unease with your identity/Sun that comes from Sun's very close applying square to Saturn along with inhospitable reception from Sun to Saturn.

Lots of hard life lessons to be learned with hard contacts between Saturn and the luminaries.
 
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AppLeo

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passiflora said:
Are you super attached to the whole signs chart?
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It's more accurate so..

IleneK said:
Often you do. Not crude; more insolent or rude. But I don't think you are intentionally doing so.
There is a real inner unease with your identity/Sun that comes from Sun's very close applying square to Saturn along with inhospitable reception from Sun to Saturn.

Lots of hard life lessons to be learned with hard contacts between Saturn and the luminaries.
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sad times
 
IleneK

IleneK

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AppLeo said:
sad times
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I would add that I think you are being reshaped right now, by Saturn's passage over your natal Uranus. Times are sad; they will pass when Saturn's transiting cycle completes its work on Uranus at the end of the year. You may learn a lot about yourself during this time.

And you will have a Jupiter return in the spring of 2022. Although natal Jup is largely unaspected in your chart, I think if you follow the timing of it and open yourself to the energies of that conjunction, it can shift and lighten how you are feeling in conversational exchanges with others.
 
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AppLeo

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IleneK said:
I would add that I think you are being reshaped right now, by Saturn's passage over your natal Uranus. Times are sad; they will pass when Saturn's transiting cycle completes its work on Uranus at the end of the year. You may learn a lot about yourself during this time.

And you will have a Jupiter return in the spring of 2022. Although natal Jup is largely unaspected in your chart, I think if you follow the timing of it and open yourself to the energies of that conjunction, it can shift and lighten how you are feeling in conversational exchanges with others.
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Ugh that aspect was absolutely disgusting. At the beginning of the year when Saturn-Uranus was at 7 degrees. I was feeling so much anger because I couldn't pass my programming class, and I hated my professor, I just hated it. I did all this work for absolutely nothing. Failed once more. Always behind, never getting ahead. I hate university.

And it was mandatory to have partners for every single assignment and I hate working with people. You have to socialize and make conversation and act like you care. And then when you work on the assignment, they never show up on time, it takes longer to do the work because you have to ask them if that's the code they want to use. The assignments that are already long and tedious become nearly impossible with another person. 10 hours everyday of the week coding, only to barely finish before the due date.

When Jupiter transited by 3rd house, a new relative popped into the family. An overwhelmingly positive one. I think this new person will help me in life, especially when Jupiter fully transitions into Pisces.
 
IleneK

IleneK

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AppLeo said:
Ugh that aspect was absolutely disgusting. At the beginning of the year when Saturn-Uranus was at 7 degrees. I was feeling so much anger because I couldn't pass my programming class, and I hated my professor, I just hated it. I did all this work for absolutely nothing. Failed once more. Always behind, never getting ahead. I hate university.

And it was mandatory to have partners for every single assignment and I hate working with people. You have to socialize and make conversation and act like you care. And then when you work on the assignment, they never show up on time, it takes longer to do the work because you have to ask them if that's the code they want to use. The assignments that are already long and tedious become nearly impossible with another person. 10 hours everyday of the week coding, only to barely finish before the due date.

When Jupiter transited by 3rd house, a new relative popped into the family. An overwhelmingly positive one. I think this new person will help me in life, especially when Jupiter fully transitions into Pisces.
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Follow the timing of the transits from Saturn to your natal Uranus and Jup to Jup. It will be helpful.
And remember to look at your role in all of these dynamics, past and future, so you can find out what it takes to have friends, if you want them.
Wishing you the best, AppLeo.
Ilene
 
passiflora

passiflora

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AppLeo said:
Yeah, but it's conjunct my DSC regardless of house system. The angles have the most value.
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I thought the point of whole signs is that angles are congruent with the beginning of the sign on the angle cusp, and not with the degrees corresponding to actual angles?
 
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AppLeo

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passiflora said:
I thought the point of whole signs is that angles are congruent with the beginning of the sign on the angle cusp, and not with the degrees corresponding to actual angles?
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No. There's whole sign houses, and there's the angles. The house division is not determined by the angles, but you still take the angles into account, especially when conjunct a planet.
 
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