Why so bad?

jkxx74 · Jan 1, 2010

Since this forum is about relocation, I'll post a question that has been puzzling me for years.

My life has been full of travels and moves, many of them long distance. The most significant one was a move from Europe to the USA at age 12. As it happened, the move was to Denver Colorado and it marked the beginning of a steady decline in quality of life.

I have experienced violence, rejection, hopelessness, and last but not least animosity from others here with very little of anything positive. To test whether any of this is really due to location I tried traveling to other states and countries a few times. Things would go well but something would always force me to come back here with the exact same results.

Astro.com's relocation map shows only a venus/chiron crossing aspect for this region so it doesn't seem like it would be that bad. Am I missing something here?

astrologer50 · Jan 3, 2010

jkxx74 · Jan 5, 2010

A50, thank you for all the links, I'll be checking them out for sure.

I've read everything I could find on the 12th house and various placements (including anaretic planets on the 29th degree of a sign) and by some accounts it does look like I have the perfect "bad" configuration.

Pluto being slightly ahead of my personal planets is responsible for various disturbing transits over the years, the latest one being a conjunction to my Moon. I had a Neptune square to the MC in 1999 which gave me major depression that I still haven't gotten out of as of yet. And there's been a seemingly relentless onslaught from the outer planets throughout the years.

My relocation chart for the Denver area simply moves my Moon-Merc-Neptune stellium so it sits on the nadir, which will probably intensify matters at home and it definitely does. But I've still noticed too many troubling events which happen here and not in other places (I've done quite a bit of traveling around the world).

As for the other charts, I'm learning slowly but even astrology can't account for things going as badly as they have in the past decade, at least from the research I've done. I'm definitely hoping for a better start this year! :w00t:

Regards

astrologer50 · Jan 6, 2010

Have you tried the astrocartography on astro.com, go to free horoscopes, then look to right. Astrocartography works and there is forum on AW that covers this and on astro.com on interactive, travel they offer astrocartography/world maps, which has its place and explains which planets rules lat and long where you relocate to and how this will affect you in this location. It is my personal opinion that relocated ‘birth charts’ don’t work, there are plenty of other techniques available.

Have just realised where the confusion may be on astro.com to get a solar return for a new location, you have to find the option to use a relocated chart, which does mean changing location from where natally you were born to where you are living now. This is just so you can get a relocated solar return only.....

Relocated birth charts are more or less astrocartography, whereby all your natal planets are stretched out over the globe and uses lat and long to discover best place to live. Apparently relocated birth charts does something similar (but not as widely used or known as astrocartography) whereby especially over the Angles could bring a planet out of 12, 3 6 or 9th to become much more active

Have you thought of moving and relocating to change all this stellium on IC?

zekar · Mar 22, 2010

A50 shared a lot of great links.

I think relocation means a lot. I've always had trouble in one area of the country and it's on my Pluto line. Pluto being associated with death and strife, seems entirely relevant. What region of the world is your Pluto line? Your Mars line? This is what I would look at.

C0rnholio · Mar 27, 2010

zekar said:
A50 shared a lot of great links.

I think relocation means a lot. I've always had trouble in one area of the country and it's on my Pluto line. Pluto being associated with death and strife, seems entirely relevant. What region of the world is your Pluto line? Your Mars line? This is what I would look at.

I agree, I think his/her Mars must be too close to the DC.

gemini59 · Mar 27, 2010

Interesting...my sister had a great deal of trouble in Denver. And I don't mean to be negative about Denver as I visited her there and loved it.

Denver attracts a certain type because it is about the rugged outdoors.
It is an amazing place with loads of mountains to climb.

My sister lived in the area that burned to the ground in 1863. If you read the history of Denver it was part of the Gold rush town and lots of turmoil and chaos surround the area. I am not saying it is in the aura of the town or its ghosts but there is a feel there. And it attracts that kind of rugged aggressive or assertive type. It is what I would call in Gurdjieff types, a martial type town....mars.

Thus if it is in your mars line...as others suggest..than this makes since to me.
I will have to pass this on to my sister as she has not been able to escape this issue too. Moved to California and now lives in Napa valley and her cabin burned to the ground...mars.

MorganaL · Jun 5, 2010

gemini59 said:
Interesting...my sister had a great deal of trouble in Denver. And I don't mean to be negative about Denver as I visited her there and loved it.

Denver attracts a certain type because it is about the rugged outdoors.
It is an amazing place with loads of mountains to climb.

My sister lived in the area that burned to the ground in 1863. If you read the history of Denver it was part of the Gold rush town and lots of turmoil and chaos surround the area. I am not saying it is in the aura of the town or its ghosts but there is a feel there. And it attracts that kind of rugged aggressive or assertive type. It is what I would call in Gurdjieff types, a martial type town....mars.

Thus if it is in your mars line...as others suggest..than this makes since to me.
I will have to pass this on to my sister as she has not been able to escape this issue too. Moved to California and now lives in Napa valley and her cabin burned to the ground...mars.

Oh come on.....my neighborhood has to be worse! No matter how bad Denver is, at least it is civilization.

delilah4 · Jun 6, 2010

Hi JKX. I ran your chart through my relocation software which I just got. I haven't gotten the 'hang' of the program yet, but I'll tell you what I see.

When you go to Denver your ascendant changes to Virgo which in my opinion is the worst relocation ascendant to have (not everyone agrees with me on this, but I find that when people move to a Virgo ascendant place people in the area start unsavory rumours & gossip about them. Not sure if this has been your experience or not.)

This area also has a lot of saturn influence for you, and saturn influences your 12th house natally. So a stay here is likely to emphasize your 12th house of loss and imprisonment. Saturn also has a way of "keeping" you because it is the most durable planet. Like bad relationships with bad saturn influence tend to last a really long time regardless of how bad the relationship is- that's Saturn's "keeping" influence. However its usually the case with Saturn that it's much easier to leave than is realized by the native. I use the same example as the bad relationship, where people stay in it feeling like the MUST stay and must return time and time again to it, when in reality that is all in their own mind. Such may also be the case with you and Denver.

I also see that in denver you have jupiter and the sun in your 5th house. Do you find that you are more creative in Denver? It's hard to tell because your Jupiter is in Capricorn and the 5th house and Capricorn do not mix well as Capricorn tends to stifle the 5th house.

I think depending on what your wishes are some place like Australia would suit you much better. Your Sun & Jupiter are nicely activated there- however it may not be the best place for you to find love. Before moving anywhere you should consult a professional location astrologer (which I am not). I checked two other places in the US for you and they were bad as well, so probably all of the US might be iffy for you.

unique_astrology · Aug 6, 2017

Your Sun/Saturn midpoint at 267°51' is on the true nadir at 267°06' (a 90° square in degrees from the Asc-Desc axis) of your relocated birth chart in Denver. The conjunction is less than 1 degree from exact. The Moon is shown to show you that I have the correct birth chart for you.

Sun/Saturn midpoint constantly prominent - not the happiest or easiest.

jkxx74 · Aug 6, 2017

Thank you for calculating this and confirming the natal chart time. Yes, both the Virgo asc and the Sun/Saturn MP have come through for me here - to the point that I had to buy Liz Greene's Saturn book last year to read about Sun-Saturn..

HoldOrFold · Aug 7, 2017

jkxx74 said:
Thank you for calculating this and confirming the natal chart time. Yes, both the Virgo asc and the Sun/Saturn MP have come through for me here - to the point that I had to buy Liz Greene's Saturn book last year to read about Sun-Saturn..

In addition to that, all 4 angles are at the same degree as your Saturn and you have some tight inconjuncts to the MC/IC axis: a quincunx to the relocated Midheaven and semi-sextile to the Nadir. A prominent relocational astrologer considers the inconjuncts, in particular the quincunx, to be the most difficult of all aspects since the signs have nothing in common with eachother. He says to read the injoncuncts (including the semi-sextile) like a square and 'twist it around a few times'.

Also, Pluto has also been transiting the relocated 4th house for all the 7 years since you started this thread and for years prior and is still ongoing.

jkxx74 · Aug 12, 2017

Thank you as well - I have to say that fits very well with my experiences here both with the combo minor irritating aspects and Pluto's particular effects here. Quite the revelation too! And maybe not coincidentally coming at a time when Pholus is transiting this point.

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