Why is feminine body parts inherently cursed & sinful?

[Bunraku]

Pudendum is latin for mid 17th century: from Latin pudenda (membra) ‘(parts) to be ashamed of’, neuter plural of the gerundive of pudere ‘be ashamed’. & was used for many centuries.

& I don't want to hear lipservice either or you posting about how much of a feminist u r. I want the truth.

 

[bluerosepetals]

It isn't inherently cursed or sinful (at least not any more than male), it was just portrayed that way throughout history, and it was likely used to encourage women to be modest and non-promiscuous. When something is seen as shameful, you will want to cover it up to avoid feelings of shame. I don't think this is a question of spirituality. It was happening because at the time it worked for society for a variety of reasons.

 

[JUPITERASC]

Pudendum is latin for mid 17th century: from Latin pudenda (membra) ‘(parts) to be ashamed of’,

Pudendum is a term that has been part of the formal anatomical nomenclature for a millennium.
Recently, the meaning of pudendum has been perverted
and misinterpreted
as synonymous with only the vulva
and to come from an etymological root term
with the narrowly defined meaning "...to be ashamed..."

neuter plural of the gerundive of pudere ‘be ashamed’. & was used for many centuries.

& I don't want to hear lipservice either or you posting about how much of a feminist u r. I want the truth.

The definition of pudendum, is external genitalia.
The term pudendum is used to describe external genitalia regardless of sex.

The labia majora, labia minora, clitoris, penis, scrotum, testes, and so on are all parts of the human pudenda.
The female pudendum is also called the vulva. Also, nonhuman species have pudenda.

The misunderstanding of pudendum is twofold.
First, pudendum describes the external genitalia indiscriminate of sex
however
terms such as pudendum muliebre/pudendum femininum and pudendum virile/pudendum masculinum
have been used throughout history to identify pudenda with respect to sex.

Second, the meaning of the root term pudere has been taken out of context
The meaning of the root term is inclusive of respect, modesty, honesty, honor, virtue, awe, veneration
and so on and has a positive connotation rather than a negative connotation, akin to sacrum, for example.

Indeed, pudendum shares its etymological root with the names of goddesses and saints
e.g.,
Pudicitia
Saint Pudens
Saint Pudentiana

These details regarding anatomical etymology
and
both the historical
and modern use of anatomical terminology related to pudendum
remedies the perversion of pudendum
and, in doing so, improves the anatomical lexicon

sources

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Adams, J. N. (1982). The Latin sexual vocabulary. London: Duckworth.​

Albinus, B. S. (1734). Historia musculorum hominis. Leidae Batavorum: ​

Apud Theodorum Haak & Henricum Mulhovium.​

Balgobin, S., Jeppson, P. C., Wheeler, T., 2nd, Hill, A. J., Mishra, K., Mazloomdoost, D., … Society of Gynecologic Surgeons Pelvic Anatomy Group. (2020). Standardized terminology of apical structures in the female pelvis based on a structured medical literature review. The American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology, 222(3), 204-218.
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[dr. farr]

The “Woman = inherently sinful“ concept arose in older western culture from the ramifications throughout the Jewish, Christian & Muslim world of the biblical story (myth) of the garden of Eden and Eve’s role in the fall of man from grace; the idea is ultimately connected with the issue of sexuality and cultural perspectives regarding that issue.

 

[waybread]

Women's body parts are not inherently cursed and sinful. The Creative Principle of the universe does not make mistakes, or create something merely to label it as evil.

Some cultures have reinforced negative labeling of women's bodies. Some of these misogynistic cultures have real problems in acknowledging women as fully-developed human beings. In order to curb male lust, it is the woman who must hide and cover herself. But this is culture, not nature.

As women, too often we are taught to be ashamed of our bodies. It can be hard to unlearn negative childhood conditioning. But it can be done. It starts with self-acceptance.

The goddess Aphrodite (Venus) was often portrayed as naked. Her naked body in all its beauty was her glory.

The Egyptian goddess Nut, the primal goddess of sky and Milky Way, was often portrayed as naked.

Think of how women's genitals are essential to the birth of a child and the creation of all human life.

In a loving sexual relationship, the lover experiences the woman's secret places as desirable and beautiful.

 

[conspiracy theorist]

Nah, female body parts are absolutely the most cursed and sinful (inherently so in fact).... but forbidden fruit taste the sweetest ☝

 

[JUPITERASC]

Nah, female body parts are absolutely the most cursed and sinful (inherently so in fact).... but forbidden fruit taste the sweetest ☝

The “Woman = inherently sinful“ concept arose in older western culture from the ramifications throughout the Jewish, Christian & Muslim world of the biblical story (myth) of the garden of Eden and Eve’s role in the fall of man from grace; the idea is ultimately connected with the issue of sexuality and cultural perspectives regarding that issue.

pathetic that a documentary like this even had to be produced to answer a simple and basic question

 

[Blaze]

Human bodies are absolutely disgusting. Blood, pus, urine, poop, body odors, hair - yuck. Gross.

Deva bodies are free from those impurities, so they're actually beautiful. Still not worth chasing after.

 

[JUPITERASC]

Human bodies are absolutely disgusting. Blood, pus, urine, poop, body odors, hair - yuck. Gross.

Deva bodies are free from those impurities, so they're actually beautiful. Still not worth chasing after.

 

[Lykanized]

Pudendum is latin for mid 17th century: from Latin pudenda (membra) ‘(parts) to be ashamed of’, neuter plural of the gerundive of pudere ‘be ashamed’. & was used for many centuries.

& I don't want to hear lipservice either or you posting about how much of a feminist u r. I want the truth.

The female body is associated with being cursed, sinful, and shameful as a projection of male inability to exhibit self control. That's all. It's not an inherent trait of men to lack that self control, but it is a tendency. It's easier to project one's own weaknesses onto the perceived source of powerlessness. Thus, the female body is cursed

What else is new?

I'm not sure if you'd consider this lipservice, but it's a genuine perspective and deserves some consideration

 

[CapAquaPis]

Human bodies are absolutely disgusting. Blood, pus, urine, poop, body odors, hair - yuck. Gross.

Deva bodies are free from those impurities, so they're actually beautiful. Still not worth chasing after.

Deva is from Eastern religion...but your bronze-age, medieval-time, puritan-fundie, Calvinist-American, victorian-era, mid-century post...I mean, human bodies are not nice at all?

The female body is associated with being cursed, sinful, and shameful as a projection of male inability to exhibit self control. That's all. It's not an inherent trait of men to lack that self control, but it is a tendency. It's easier to project one's own weaknesses onto the perceived source of powerlessness. Thus, the female body is cursed

What else is new?

I'm not sure if you'd consider this lipservice, but it's a genuine perspective and deserves some consideration

An example of sexism in our culture when biological female body parts are treated more unsightly. I also read an article on a psychological study found most cis-hetero-men in the study find photographic images of 2 men kissing each other is similar to viewing a picture of a bucket of maggots :-/

 

[Antiks72]

Deva is from Eastern religion...but your bronze-age, medieval-time, puritan-fundie, Calvinist-American, victorian-era, mid-century post...I mean, human bodies are not nice at all?


An example of sexism in our culture when biological female body parts are treated more unsightly. I also read an article on a psychological study found most cis-hetero-men in the study find photographic images of 2 men kissing each other is similar to viewing a picture of a bucket of maggots :-/

Yup, heterosexual men like me do not want to this stuff shoved in our face. Since we're the majority, we have the right to not approve of this.

 

[waybread]

Majority of what, exactly? This is also culture-bound. Italians have no problems with heterosexual men hugging and kissing.

 

[Monk]

I think female genital mutilation is awful, and is largely about sexism.

Female genital mutilation

Female genital mutilation (FGM) includes procedures that intentionally alter or cause injury to the female genital organs for non-medical reasons.

www.who.int

I don't think females should be treated any different to males.

 

[infest]

redundancy. redundant parts are not practical and even get in the way. women parts may be practical in what a woman needs them for, e,g. maye bigger breasts help with breastfeeding or the capacity to enlarge makes it clear if the woman is healthy and well fed? even if they are good for some woman things they may not be good for running around, hunting, physical exertion/labor. being weak is shameful and ur own body against u too. shame is based on domination. the shamed one is whoever is weaker/lesser < thats the logic, i dont mean that women are lesser or should be shamed.
they are also "funny". something being funny is related to shame. when people dont relate to someone they ridicule them. laughing is showing ur teeth. showing ur teeth as a group to someone who is lesser, suffering, impaired. you know when u laugh when you are hurt, it hurts when you laugh. when others laugh at u when u are moaning from pain, their laughter can be a twisted mockery of ur pain. when someone falls badly a lot of ppl have the urge to laugh. ofc dark humor can be a way to cope with your own pain not necessarily malicious intent. dangling things seem to be funny in a basic way bc its also unexpected, novel. shifting shape and position in a radical way - cue again someone falling in a funny way.

women parts stick out they are sex characteristics and sex is considered shameful. that male body part is also largely considered shameful. its not as considered as shameful. women have historically been sexually abused both by women and men, but ofc males are who win physically. some people find women parts shameful for various reasons. e.g. fake str8 men who want to make women feel inferior to hide their own homosexuality. real str8 men who are not comfortable with being sexually attracted so they blame it on the women. other women who feel ashamed of their own bodies, either bc they are too big or too small.
someone being deformed, disabled or out of the norm is seen as generally shameful and frowned upon.

and im a straight man and i dont get any reaction from seeing males kissing. i have confirmed everyone who gets one and whines about it is a closet homosexual. i have nothing against gay people and never had. i dont care what they do at home or in public. a lot of those who are frowning upon it is trying to prove how str8 themselves are and feel insecure bc they will get hard from it or otherwise severely emotionally dysregulated and spoiled. i only get disgusted if i start self inserting into the situation and then i can just stop and why would i do it in the first place? if u start imagining urself as a male kissing another man when you see 2 men kissing you probably aren't str8. u also shouldnt be acting like women are for you to grab just bc u are a man.

 

[Monk]

I am male, but am a Suffragette

Suffragette - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I am very disabled.

 

[Monk]

There should be no connection between religion and democracy=

 

[waybread]

There is nothing inherently shameful about female body parts. Shame is perhaps a natural emotion, but what a society does or does not consider to be shameful is taught as part of a cultural package. I don't know if they still dress this way, but historically there have been societies in Africa, Latin America, Australia, and Polynesia where women were topless. Typically they lived in places with hot humid weather. There was nothing shameful to them about their dress.

Ladies, we better hope that male gynecologists and obstetricians don't find women's breasts and genitals to be shameful.

Then think about western women's clothing in the 19th century. These women would have been horrified at the immodesty of tank tops, shorts, and bikinis. Ditto for head-to-toe burkas in parts of the Muslim world.

Infest, I had to shake my head at your comment about women's body parts "sticking out." Some women are very small-breasted, and if anything "sticks out" it's a male erection. Penile frostbite is an issue for men in sub-zero weather. I can't imagine riding a bicycle without one's genitals neatly tucked away. (Maybe I should ask my husband about it. )

You've seen those medieval paintings of men wearing a cod piece?

Well-endowed active women wear sports bras, just as men may prefer jockey shorts to boxers.

Shaming is done as a tool of coercion and control. It's culture, not nature.

 

[Monk]

Well said Waybread,
I leave with a picture:-

File:Condom on Obelisk, Buenos Aires.jpg - Wikimedia Commons

commons.wikimedia.org

 

[Ukpoohbear]

While I agree with everything Waybread said in her post, there has definitely been a theme of shaming prevalent in all cultures. This does, of course, include men as well, because men are also told to wear clothes and that being naked is ‘bad.’ It started out as needing to wear clothes for the sake of warmth, protection and survival, but a subtext was created wherein clothes were used to ‘hide’ our nakedness. What exactly were we ashamed off?

It seems that clothes became a symbol of boundaries - as in, you do not have access to my body without my permission. Although women can be sexually assertive too, I think it is true to say that the typical male nature is to be more sex-minded, in a hunter-gatherer type of sense. Even though it was women who needed protection from men, this protection manifested as shame towards women, as in, it somehow became a woman’s responsibility to hide ourselves from men, rather than men being taught respectful boundaries towards women.

However, I see the rise of a different type of shaming toward women - in the ‘gender dilemma’ that is currently prevalent in society. This is quite a heavy and multi-faceted, complicated subject but the area I would like to concentrate on is the debate around whether biological women have a right to keep their place in society as strictly to other biological women, or whether that should now include trans women. Problems areas crop up in professional sporting competitions; female public restrooms and female jails. The sport dilemma comes from the fact that biological males are usually mchh stronger than biological females. The public restroom dilemma comes up due to it being a vulnerable and private setting where predators could easily take advantage of the situation, and it’s the same type of scenario in the female jail setting.

What I am getting at is, there is a new type of shame in town. Biological females are now being forced to fight back and defend against their right to a safe and private space. Not only have biological women had to fight to protect their sexuality over the years but they are now having to fight to protect their right to identify as a women.

I don’t really get the reason behind this yet, all I know is, there is indeed a definite shaming around women, stemming from their body parts, and it’s now recently taken on a new angle, to the point that there is an element of fear and shame to say, ‘I am a biological female and I have a fight to privacy and safety.’