Who tried to kill my mother? Not a joke

Baha

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I just called my mother to see how she was doing and found out that she was attacked last night in her hotel while sleeping.

The person went in to her room and tried to smother her. My mother is 73 years old but managed to fight back somehow, Thank God. The person left because of the dog trying to enter her room.

My mother owns a small hotel and also sleeps there occasionally. She was in a downstairs room and I doubt her door was locked. She doesn't have a guard at the moment so she is alone at night.

My mother is not the easiest person to deal with and she has made a few enemies. The person must be known to her because her dog was not barking so it must be familiar with whoever entered her room. Once the dog heard her yelling, it tried to get in the room and she guesses that because of that, her attacker left.

She says that if the attacker was a man, she would have not been able to defend herself. The room was dark and she wasn't able to see the person at all.

We are guessing that it was a woman who attacked her and someone that she knew. Could it have been an ex-employee?

The details I have from her are sketchy as she was hesitant to give me the whole story.

Needless to say, I'm booking the quickest flight I can to get to her.

Please have a look at this chart. I can't think straight at the moment as I just got off of the phone with her.

The ascendant is early.

I am Mars, she is house 10, Sun.

Sun is in it's 4th house, peregrine, in it's detrement. Mars is cazimi the Sun by 11 min. Sun and Mars are angular.

Her 12th house is Aries ruled by Mars. Mars is cazimi.

I'm sorry, I'm not doing well right now.

Any help would be much appreciated.
 

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Arijana

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http://everythingwilma.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/polar-bear-funny-dog-death-hug.jpg


Im so sry Baha. We are here for you threw the screen :)

I cant see the hcart clearly on mz comp,but I suspect its Venus,rather than mercury,although I could be wrong. I took Venus because it rules the 12th and 7th,in saggitarius,a passionate sign, its in the 3rd house so, she is in the neighbourhood,she just left your mothers 8th house of fear,so again Venus rings more threw, Libra rules the 12th,Taurus 7th ( hidden enemy becomes public ). Its funny how u say the dog saved your mothers life because the 6th house cusp usually rules small animals,and while that is Mars, I would take Jupiter the greater benefic to signify the dog,squaring Venus,furthermore,Venus is in the sign of Jupiter so that means the dog liked Venus,only Jupiter is in Aries where Venus falls so Venus got scared...Venus falls in capricorn,so whoever she is she is going from bad to worse...from being passionate to calculative,cold,in a sign of saturn....I almost wonder is there someone behind the scenes pushing Venus to do this. Note,Jupiter the dog is in fall in capricorn,I really wonder,what would have happened if the dog saw her? he would most likely start barking like crazy which would give her away. Note,Jupiter the dog nearly went in the 6th house ( cadent ) where he would have been powerless,but he was angular....yay for the dog :)

I will give more just to look at the chart better
 

SagiCap

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Baha, this is so sad to hear and you have my sympathies and positive thoughts sent your way.

Try private-messaging Olivia or BobZemco or Dr. Farr for some help. This is important.

Hang in there and be strong for your Mom! SHE DEFINATELY WAS! Way to go, MOM!
 

Baha

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Thanks ladies. I still haven't been able to wrap my mind around this. I think I'm in some kind of shock. I'm lightheaded and I can't think straight. it's so bizarre.
 

dr. farr

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(The following comments are not in accordance with standard horary delineation and are based on the whole sign house format)


A preliminary look at the chart seems (from my alternative methods) to support the idea of a woman attacking the mother. This from Venus being dispositor of both the 7th house (all this is in whole sign) of open enemies and also the 12th house of secret enemies. Mother being the 10th = Sun, although Sun is in detriment (accounts for the attack) it is helped by also being in the angular 4th house (her hotel could be looked at as her "home" as well); the dog (6th house under Aries) is signified by Mars and is in Cazimi with her (the Sun) which might account for its role in saving her.
Venus flows toward her (the Sun), as does Mercury: combining these (in my outlook) we could think of either a younger woman or, perhaps instead of a woman, an adolsecent boy (teenager)-this because of the possible Mercury affinities. Note also that Mercury is in the Face of the aggressive Mars, and that Mercury, Sun, Mars and the Moon are all disposited by the rxSaturn posited in the 12th house of the chart. Venus is within 27 minutes of passing into Capricorn, so as good as also under the Saturnine dispositorship along with all the rest.
So Venus/Mercury/Saturn form a group possibly describing the person and the motivations for the attack.
Notice your mother (the Sun) is posited in the Face of Mercury: Mercury is affinitive with money: could that have been a motivation?
Notice also that Capricorn is the 6th from your mother's signifying house (the 10th house of the chart): this sign contains Mercury and is within minutes of also containing Venus: 6th house can mean one's servants or employes (or ex servants or employes), which is very suggestive under the circumstances. The Part of Fortune is in the chart's 12th house in the Face of Jupiter, and your mother's co-significator the Moon is also in the Face of Jupiter: could this point to an idea that she is wealthy and could this have been a motivation (robbery?) The Mercury factors already noted could support this idea (Mercury = $)

An event chart I think would give a firmer delineation, but this horary is pointing in certain definite directions.

Best wishes for you and your mother!
 

tikana

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AGRH! Baha! my god .. i am so sorry. this is horrible

What is wrong with people!

okay

your mom is 10th house - Sun
Keep yourself out cause you have nothing to do with this

her attacker would be 7th house

your mom is in his house .. AND moon just passed conj with mars
Reception between Sun/Saturn is ackward
My call is whoever attackd your mom totally knew her
but she is not suspecting her

Who is she? Let's see
Saturn sits in your mom's 3rd house - a neighbor?

Also look at Mars .. Mars is a lord of your mom's 4th house
And Lord of 4th house sits in your mom's enemy 1st house
That is definately an enemy
To make things seriously bizarre, Saturn is via combusta and retrograde - VENGANCE comes to mind

Moon is technically speaking void but within a moiety with Venus.
Venus rules 7th house ... it is possible that she will not come near your mom like it is over.

good luck to your mom .. give her a few bottles of pepper spray and put it around the house and have her carry a couple just in case!

Cheers
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I just called my mother to see how she was doing and found out that she was attacked last night in her hotel while sleeping.

The person went in to her room and tried to smother her. My mother is 73 years old but managed to fight back somehow, Thank God. The person left because of the dog trying to enter her room.

My mother owns a small hotel and also sleeps there occasionally. She was in a downstairs room and I doubt her door was locked. She doesn't have a guard at the moment so she is alone at night.

My mother is not the easiest person to deal with and she has made a few enemies. The person must be known to her because her dog was not barking so it must be familiar with whoever entered her room. Once the dog heard her yelling, it tried to get in the room and she guesses that because of that, her attacker left.

She says that if the attacker was a man, she would have not been able to defend herself. The room was dark and she wasn't able to see the person at all.

We are guessing that it was a woman who attacked her and someone that she knew. Could it have been an ex-employee?

The details I have from her are sketchy as she was hesitant to give me the whole story.

Needless to say, I'm booking the quickest flight I can to get to her.

Please have a look at this chart. I can't think straight at the moment as I just got off of the phone with her.

The ascendant is early.

I am Mars, she is house 10, Sun.

Sun is in it's 4th house, peregrine, in it's detrement. Mars is cazimi the Sun by 11 min. Sun and Mars are angular.

Her 12th house is Aries ruled by Mars. Mars is cazimi.

I'm sorry, I'm not doing well right now.

Any help would be much appreciated.
 

fensi88

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Your mother is Su. The last aspect with Sun has Moon. That signifies last person in contact with her, attacker. Moon is intercepted ruler of 9 house, so attcker is from another town, or country. Moon signifies women from 30 to 45 year, generally fair stature, white (pale) complexion and colour, round face, grey eyes, and a little louring ; much hair both on the head, face, and other parts; usually one eye a little larger than the other; short hands and fleshy, the whole body inclining to be fleshy, plump, corpulent and phlegmatic.
 

Baha

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Thanks so much to all of you for replying. I am incredibly grateful for your time. It's still very surreal and horrible.

I kind of would think that the dog would be Mars, cazimi rather than Jupiter. It's interesting how that appears in the chart in such close proximity to the Sun.

So Venus/Mercury/Saturn form a group possibly describing the person and the motivations for the attack.
Notice your mother (the Sun) is posited in the Face of Mercury: Mercury is affinitive with money: could that have been a motivation?


She's very difficult to get along with so the assault may have to do more with revenge as Tik mentioned. Money related revenge then. She had sold her hotel but the buyers (a married couple) defaulted on the contract so she repossed it with a police escort...It didn't go over so well with the buyers obviously. This happened about 3 months ago.

I'm leaning more towards it being a woman due to the nature of the attack. No weapons were used and she was not punched or otherwise assaulted. I think the person wanted it to look like she died in her sleep. Had the person had intentions of robbing her, I think he/she would have used a weapon or been more violent. Due to the nature of the attack, to me, like I said it seems like the person wanted it to appear like a natural death.

No one would benefit from her death moneywise (well, except me I guess). So the motivation would have to be vengeance over a past argument or something. Maybe the argument was over money, but the attacker would not benefit at all had she died.

Your mother is Su. The last aspect with Sun has Moon. That signifies last person in contact with her, attacker. Moon is intercepted ruler of 9 house, so attcker is from another town, or country.

I will ask her.

The theory of the attacker being a male teen is interesting. I asked her about this and she doesn't have anyone of that age working for her, past or present. Her employees are mostly 30's to 40's. If it's a woman, perhapse Mercury could mean that she is athletic or tomboyish perhapse.

I will keep everyone posted as to how this unravels, which it will hopefully. Right now I am making airline reservations. Still in shock over this.

Again, I can't say how much I honestly appreciate all of your time in having a look at the chart. Many, many thanks to all of you.
 

fensi88

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Your mother is Su. The last aspect with Sun has Moon. That signifies last person in contact with her, attacker. Moon is intercepted ruler of 9 house, so attcker is from another town, or country. I will ask her.

The theory of the attacker being a male teen is interesting. I asked her about this and she doesn't have anyone of that age working for her, past or present. Her employees are mostly 30's to 40's. If it's a woman, perhapse Mercury could mean that she is athletic or tomboyish perhapse.

I did not said it is male I said women:

Moon signifies women from 30 to 45 year, generally fair stature, white (pale) complexion and colour, round face, grey eyes, and a little louring ; much hair both on the head, face, and other parts; usually one eye a little larger than the other; short hands and fleshy, the whole body inclining to be fleshy, plump, corpulent and phlegmatic.
 

Baha

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Yes, I understood you Fensi. It was Dr. Farr who suggested it may be a male. The way I posted the quote looks confusing. I'm sorry.
 

Baha

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Hello again,

I've been thinking about who the attacker could have been and it is really consuming me.

Her hotel was sold to a couple who defaulted on the payments. My mother took them to court and then repossed the hotel. There was a lot of bad blood particularly between my mother and the wife.

My question is: Are the ex-buyers behind the attack on my mother? A yes/no question.

I doubt that the wife was the one who attacked my mother. It may be an ex-emplyee of HERS that she could have paid to do this. While the ex-buyers were in posession of the hotel, they had their own staff.

OK, my mother is Moon, 10h. Her hotel's buyers would be her 7th house (7th from 10th). Lily says that this house would represent the defendants in a law suit (which they were).

The 7th from the 10th is Capricorn - Saturn.

So should I read in to it that Saturn is located in her 3rd house? Saturn is in a good place and is strong in the chart but is retrograde.

Lily says the 3rd house: Hath signification of brethren, sisters, cousins or kindred, neighbours, small journeys, or inland-journeys, oft removing from one place to another, epistles, letters, rumours, messengers.

Would the attacker be considered a messenger if indeed he/she was hired by the buyers??

Tik mentioned that the attacker could have been a neighbor.

Since this is a yes/no question I do not know how to proceed. There are no aspects between the moon and Saturn. Would Arabic parts apply here? If so, which?

Thanks again for all your help. I am leaving on Monday to see her. It will take me 30+ hours to get to her part of the world.
 

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Baha

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Update:

The attacker was a young man from another city. A drug user.

He was hired by the ex-buyers of my mother's hotel, a married couple but it was the wife who orchestrated the attack. It was done out of vengeance

It was a difficult trip.
 

Vista

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Very interesting thread! I am so happy they found who was responsible. Amazing these people felt so much vengeance when THEY are the one's who defaulted on their payment and signed the original contract. Didn't it say in the contract she could repo the hotel if they defaulted? I wonder if they are trying to pin the attack on the drug user though?
 

dr. farr

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Glad the culprits were discovered. If you don't mind, since we now have a known-outcome to the horary question you asked "are the ex-buyers behind the attack on my mother?" (which is now known to be the case) I would like to test the experimental Walis Magic 8 Ball astro-divination on that question, to see what it would have said:

-I would have taken the 12th house as the signifying house in this question (secret/hidden enemies, plotters, etc); in whole sign format the 12th house is under Virgo in the reference chart which = Mercury which = a "yes" answer by the 8 Ball "rules"
-alternatively we could have been more specific and taken the place of the Lot of Buyers as signfying house (Lot of Buyers = as night formula ascendant+part of spirit-part of fortune); the Lot of Buyers falls @ 22 Gemini in the reference chart; Gemini = Mercury = a "yes" answer by the Magic 8 Ball

...so either relevant signfying house (the 12th or the place of the Lot of Buyers) would have given a correct "yes it was the ex-buyers" answer to this question.

Note: say the 3rd house representing a "messenger" (as suggested by Baha) were taken as the signifying house for the 8 Ball test: Sagittarius rules the 3rd whole sign house in the reference chart which = Jupiter which also indicates a "yes" answer in the 8 Ball method...
 
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