Who gives the names of the newly found bodies?

colorful benny

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Well, i am a bit confused...

Ok, when a new heavenly body is found, either the founder or a group of scientists choose a name from mythology. But is it ok to accept this as an astrological "fact" and start characterizing a planet/dwarf planet/astreoid according to this mythological figure chosen by a few people?

What's going on?


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Niplan

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when something is discovered they can name it whatever they want. It doesn't have to be from mythology. And then comes countless studies where the new planet was in X place and caused X factor.
 

Lin

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Astronomers find the planets, asteroids, etc, and traditionally they have been named from Mythology....always have been as far as I'm concerned...at least in western astrology which is all I know.

In the case of Pluto, since it's discovery in 1934 I believe, it's effects and energy studied closely by astrologers. The fact that it was discovered during a time of darkness in our world, and the fact that the "underworld" of crime was very prevalent, made it's name, Pluto (god of the underworld), appropriate. But it could have been called something else I guess.

Pluto is a great power and rules Plutonian energy, and the big bang of creation, symbolically. It also rules "creation" in the realm of sex becoming "generation"....pregnancy. It rules generation, regeneration, degeneration....transformation. Nothing will ever take away those facts.
LIN
 

NicholasH

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intuitively (perhaps unaware to them) the namers of each planet felt that the given names were right. It just shows an underlying order beyond our comprehension.
 

JUPITERASC

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Astronomers find the planets, asteroids, etc, and traditionally they have been named from Mythology....always have been as far as I'm concerned...at least in western astrology which is all I know.

In the case of Pluto, since it's discovery in 1934 I believe, it's effects and energy studied closely by astrologers. The fact that it was discovered during a time of darkness in our world, and the fact that the "underworld" of crime was very prevalent, made it's name, Pluto (god of the underworld), appropriate. But it could have been called something else I guess.

Pluto is a great power and rules Plutonian energy, and the big bang of creation, symbolically. It also rules "creation" in the realm of sex becoming "generation"....pregnancy. It rules generation, regeneration, degeneration....transformation. Nothing will ever take away those facts.

LIN
An alternative perspective amongst astrologers is discussed
on IS PLUTO AN ASTROLOGICAL PLANET thread :smile:
at
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=80531
for example
To explain further, there are a few philosophical issues that arise when using the outer planets. It's true that many more classically oriented astrologers use them, but they tend to regard them as fainter fixed stars, so their importance and abilities tend to be scaled back or ignored unless they are on an angle or conjunct some important planet.

Dirius is correct in noting that the fact the outers carry no visible light is a major detriment to their inclusion into the classical framework. Astrology evolved alongside ancient optical theories and these theories still permeate astrological discourse to this day. Planets in aspect are said to "see" or "regard" one another and their light is often considered a transmitter of their influence.

The word "planet" originally evolved from the Greek "planetes aster", or "wandering star" and referred to the Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Jupiter, Mars, and Saturn whose motion could be detected against the backdrop of fixed stars that are stable in their relative distance from one another, but all move together as one large group. Today we have redefined what a planet is to serve our own categorical needs. There's nothing wrong with that, but it's important to remember that we, as astrologers, have organizational needs that are different from those of astronomy.

Another issue with the outer planets in general is that they lack much of the tools that the classical planets have. This isn't just referring to dignities (though that is a large part of it), but they also lack nature, sect, gender, years, winds, orbs, signatures, etc. This may all seem superfluous or unnecessary, but its significance really cannot be overstated. Without these associations, the outer planets are essentially blank orbs without instruction or meaning.

Finally, there is the issue with the meanings contemporary astrologers have given to them. Mostly they either 1) don't make sense within their own context or 2) are already taken by another planet.

About the first, a lot of the meanings of the planets have been assigned to them based on mythological interpretations or perceived mundane events happening around the time of their discovery. A lot of the mythological meanings are cherry picked and often nonsensical, like Uranus ruling rebellion, but in the myth Ouranos is the tyrannical dictator, not the freedom fighter. The mundane events are definitely cherry picked as there are many important events happening around the world at any given time. Pluto was discovered in 1930 and has taken on an association with nuclear force, but when I hear 1930s I think Great Depression and I've never heard anyone associate Pluto with financial ruination.

About the second, each of the outer planets have significations that are more or less plucked from the classical planets. Uranus's reported instability and recklessness can be found in Mercury and Mars. Neptune's illusions and mysticism can be found in the Moon. Pluto's transformation and general heavy-handedness are the domains of Mercury and Saturn. Not only does this create strange, cross-breed planets, but it makes the classical planets into flat characters when their meanings and significations are much more multifaceted in the tradition.
 

rahu

Banned
the person who discovers the object is allowed to named the object whatever they want. the name is then submitted to a astronomical agency(I don't member which) and the agency reviews that name and if it is not obscene or objectionable , the chosen name is entered into the astronomical literature.


rahu
 
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