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<blockquote data-quote="Elianah" data-source="post: 3364" data-attributes="member: 182"><p>Hi Kite,</p><p></p><p>Hmm...never thought of Chiron as a ruler of Virgo. Will have to jossle that around in my pea-sized brain for awhile. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite9" alt=":eek:" title="Eek! :eek:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":eek:" /> </p><p></p><p>Also, don't forget Mars as the co-ruler of Scorpio. Mars might get really :evil: if you do. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /> </p><p></p><p>I see your point about the few who are mature enough to understand the Trans-Saturnian planets before their first Saturn return. I would venture that most of humanity fits in the portion of the bell curve that don't begin to understand the outer planets until during or after their first Saturn return. And I am sure we all know some laggards who still haven't understood the outer planets even after their 2nd Saturn return. :shock: They are probably the ones here in the US who have the major, really visible midlife crises because they can't integrate and work with the Uranian energy.</p><p></p><p>As for those who contact the Trans-Saturnian planets through psychedelics, they need to get a clear handle on the imagery and illusions that the drug of choice may give them. Psychedelics are ruled by Neptune, co-ruled by Jupiter, which may create expansive delusions and illusions rather than clear images. Jupiter brings the personal conscious into the collective unconscious in its co-rulership of Pisces and Neptune doesn't have the breaking ability to help Jupiter create a healthy, sustainable expansion (one reason for having a positive relationship with Saturn). Neptune just goes with the flow until the expansion bubble breaks.</p><p></p><p>My guess would be with your Saturn sitting close to your Sag MC, you may have had periods in your life where you were having inner dialogues of how far to push the envelope with public spiritual/higher knowledge beliefs. Your Sag MC may have been pulling you towards the more unconventional and more personally fulfilling spriritual/higher knowledge and wisdom path and Saturn being torn between conventionallity (its Cappy rulership) and unconventionallity (its Aquarius rulership). Since your Aquarius ASC may need and want a more cosmic spiritual relationship that is yours alone, this may have sent the Saturn energy into a major split at times.</p><p></p><p>BTW, out of curiousity, is your Aquarius ASC fairly close to the cusp of Pisces or is your Sag MC fairly close to the cusp of Scorpio? I'm just trying to get the lay of the land without your birthchart at hand. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Since Chiron is opposing Uranus, the bridge between the collective conscious (Saturn) and the personal unconscious (Uranus) is opposed to one of planets its supposed to bridge between. This suggests to me a possible healing being necessary between how you work with your personal unconscious and mythology and their links to the collective conscious. By doing this work, you can mentor others in unique and creative ways to reach their own understanding between their collective conscious connections and their personal unconscious connections and mythology in ways that will assist those people to creatively self-actualize.</p><p></p><p>As always, take what fits and ditch the rest. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Elianah, post: 3364, member: 182"] Hi Kite, Hmm...never thought of Chiron as a ruler of Virgo. Will have to jossle that around in my pea-sized brain for awhile. :o Also, don't forget Mars as the co-ruler of Scorpio. Mars might get really :evil: if you do. :D I see your point about the few who are mature enough to understand the Trans-Saturnian planets before their first Saturn return. I would venture that most of humanity fits in the portion of the bell curve that don't begin to understand the outer planets until during or after their first Saturn return. And I am sure we all know some laggards who still haven't understood the outer planets even after their 2nd Saturn return. :shock: They are probably the ones here in the US who have the major, really visible midlife crises because they can't integrate and work with the Uranian energy. As for those who contact the Trans-Saturnian planets through psychedelics, they need to get a clear handle on the imagery and illusions that the drug of choice may give them. Psychedelics are ruled by Neptune, co-ruled by Jupiter, which may create expansive delusions and illusions rather than clear images. Jupiter brings the personal conscious into the collective unconscious in its co-rulership of Pisces and Neptune doesn't have the breaking ability to help Jupiter create a healthy, sustainable expansion (one reason for having a positive relationship with Saturn). Neptune just goes with the flow until the expansion bubble breaks. My guess would be with your Saturn sitting close to your Sag MC, you may have had periods in your life where you were having inner dialogues of how far to push the envelope with public spiritual/higher knowledge beliefs. Your Sag MC may have been pulling you towards the more unconventional and more personally fulfilling spriritual/higher knowledge and wisdom path and Saturn being torn between conventionallity (its Cappy rulership) and unconventionallity (its Aquarius rulership). Since your Aquarius ASC may need and want a more cosmic spiritual relationship that is yours alone, this may have sent the Saturn energy into a major split at times. BTW, out of curiousity, is your Aquarius ASC fairly close to the cusp of Pisces or is your Sag MC fairly close to the cusp of Scorpio? I'm just trying to get the lay of the land without your birthchart at hand. :) Since Chiron is opposing Uranus, the bridge between the collective conscious (Saturn) and the personal unconscious (Uranus) is opposed to one of planets its supposed to bridge between. This suggests to me a possible healing being necessary between how you work with your personal unconscious and mythology and their links to the collective conscious. By doing this work, you can mentor others in unique and creative ways to reach their own understanding between their collective conscious connections and their personal unconscious connections and mythology in ways that will assist those people to creatively self-actualize. As always, take what fits and ditch the rest. :D [/QUOTE]
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