Where did all the Aries go?

[tizer]

This is the chart of a good friend of mine. I've always been bemused that she's Aries, but looking at her chart for the first time, I'm even more shocked that she has moon and mercury in Aries too. Not to mention the opposition to Pluto and square to mars. It all suggests such strong will and energy - I just don't see it! I've never met a more gentle, easy going person. She likes everyone and never has a bad word to say.

What does come across strongly in her personaility is the opposition of Uranus and Jupiter and the Mars trine Uranus - she's certainly one of a kind! Also the Mars and Saturn in Cancer, particuarly with respect to confidence issues.

Sadly I don't have a birth time, so don't know the ascendant or house placements. Would it be possible to have a house placement that would weaken all the Aries traits? Without knowing the person, how could you know that Aries is afflicted (if afflicted is the right term?).

I need convincing she wasn't delivered by spaceship Thanks for your help!


[Moderator note - please see moderator Starlink's post below as to why the 3rd-party chart has been anonymized and re-attached.]

 

[starlink]

Tizer, it is not allowed in this forum to post a chart from another person without the persons permission (see Forum Rules!). Did your friend give you her permission to post the chart? If not, could you please delete this chart and upload another one without any birthinformation mentioned? An anonimized chart can be drawn in Astro.com. Thank you.

Starlink

 

[astrologer50]

Sure if all those Aries planets were in 12th house which is 'cadent' she would come accross as quite piscean, very sacrificial. Do people take their problems to here? Plus she has venus in pisces (exalted)

If she were taurus Asc with Jupiter there has she ever had weight problem? What department do you think she 'lacks confidence?' that's were saturn will be. If taurus is Asc that would make Uranus anguler in 7th, has she been divorced?

Solar arcs are excellent for rectifying a chart. Have she absolutely no idea?

Solar Arcs
Solar arcs are really simple, especially for beginners, just move the Angles, Asc, Desc, MC, IC 1' for each year of your life onto planets and vice versa. Not just used for rectification either. Under age 12 though these interpretations are directed towards family changes, maybe relocation, job changes, illnesses, additions to family etc. Another example is my Pluto is 28' Leo in 7th house and my Uranus is 3' Leo in same house to subtract these and you get age 25. That year my then husband and I had an almighty explosion (Uranus) and transformation (Pluto) of that marriage that started the demise and ultimate ending thereof....

Further research on solar arcs try these threads.
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12024&highlight=solar+arcs
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12958&highlight=solar+arcs
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6691&highlight=solar+arcs
http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/rectification.html
http://www.frankstar.com/solararc.htm
http://thezodiac.com/arcs.htm
http://www.donmc.com/Comparing%20Transits%20and%20Solar%20Arcs%20II.htm
http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/solar_arc_directions.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_progression

 

[gaer]

As Starlink said, I don't think we should be discussing this chart as it is. There are reasons for rules that say charts should be anonymous, and we do not yet know if there has been permission given for posting this chart.

 

[NicholasH]

she was born at the time of a new moon. energy is low then, so her aries planets might be "tired" (for lack of a better explaination.)

 

[R4VEN]

Moon rules her Cancer Asc, which is a reserved persona - one which prefers being in the background, or helping others.

That's just a simple view of the chart, without going into detail.

 

[lillyjgc]

All,
I notice the time on the chart is set for noon. Does this mean we have no time of birth>? If so, then we can't really discuss ascendants, houses, moon positions or house rulerships anyway so very little info can be gleaned from the chart.
Lilly

 

[tizer]

Apologies for not posting an anonymous chart, I'll do so in future. BTW, how do you do this in astro.com? I only seem to be able to remove the name rather than the birth data...

Thanks for the replies - as I said, I don't know the birth time. As astrologer50 suggests, placing sun, moon and mercury in the 12th, with taurus asc could be it. I've attached a chart with a birth time based on a solar arc of mars onto IC - death of her father???

This then gives a sextile of asc onto saturn and venus, which also seems compatible. Her lack of confidence is mostly related to her work in scientific research - you would never believe she was any good at it from what she says, but jobs land at her feet. Would this be a suggestion of MC opposite saturn?

 

[lillyjgc]

Hi there,
Because we don't know the time, we can't consider any aspects to angles as we don't know any of the angles. Also I notice the moon changed signs that day, from pisces to Aries, so it could be either.
Rectification, using events from the person's life as a method is a slow laborious process. It also requires a lot of astrological knowledge, as more than one aspect can be reflected in a chart when a significant event occurs.
Let me give you an example, Tizer.
Say you badly injured your head on a certain date. A serious injury. There are quite a few things that could have been happening to your chart *that day* that would result in a head injury. Some will presume Mars must have been transiting your ascendant that day and that's one possibility. Another could be an opposition between the ruler of the first to Mars, or a strong aspect involving a planet in your first house...so how are we to know which one it was?How then can we reliably use that to definitively say the ascendant must be whatever sign and degree Mars was at the time.? But some do.
Lords of houses play a very key role in what happens, not just planets and sun signs.
I once tried to rectify my own chart as an experiment, using a few different methods. It was really really hard, and I came up with a few possibilities (even though I know my birth time- I didn't get it right using several methods and trying a lot of different approaches).
I wouldn't trust any one method over another really and that's why Astrologers often charge a high price for doing it, as it takes a lot of time and many events need to be included. Remembering the exact dates of events in your life is also more problematic than many think. Trusting other people's memories is not a reliable method.
So what can you really derive from this chart?
Here are some key aspects for you to research.
The sun /Merc will be opposite Pluto-very difficult aspect involving power struggles.
The jupiter/Opp Sat can be counted. Another very difficult aspect.
A T-square between Mars at apex to the sun/merc opp to Pluto....
Sun/Merc trine to Neptune....a really nice aspect
Venus square Neptune: real difficulties seeing clearly in love and money matters..
Mars trine Uranus-a strong positive aspect
Venus sextile Jupiter-nice
The moon could be in late pisces or early Aries and if in Pisces makes jupiter more important in the chart. Jupiter is square Saturn, so a different set of aspects would be activated there. If in Aries, Mars becomes a key player.
You say *she likes everyone and hasnt got a bad word to say..* which is a subjective perception by you. It suggests also a venusian ascendant, say Libra...but I really think its not good astrology to play guess the moon sign or guess the ascendant sign...there are just too many factors to be considered. If her moon was afflicted by Saturn she could be nice because she lacks confidence or doesnt want to embarass herself...lots of possibilities really., which would be reflected differently in the chart, houses etc.
You do have a few definites though, and I'm sure at some point you'll have some interesting stories to tell...

It certainly is a chart that will cause a lot of instability in the native's life under harsh transits.

Lilly.

 

[astrologer50]

she was born at the time of a new moon. energy is low then, so her aries planets might be "tired" (for lack of a better explaination.)

As the OP said in first post, he doesn't have time of birth

Sadly I don't have a birth time, so don't know the ascendant or house placements

Tizer, if you going to have a go at rectifying a chart, you need to ask your friend some rather personal questions. If using solar arcs you need to ask upto age 12ish, any deaths, house moves, any siblings born, did a grandparent help bring them up, was it a cool distant relationship with parents or the opposite?? did they have any accidents, break any bones?

as you can appreciate, it can be done but is time consuming. with pluto opposing sun, merc and poss moon and then square to mars -- I still feel maybe have those personal planets buried in 12th -- this could give her a much private, sacrificial behind the scenes kinda person where it would be much harder to get at or recognise those energies.

 

[wintersprite1]

Apologies for not posting an anonymous chart, I'll do so in future. BTW, how do you do this in astro.com? I only seem to be able to remove the name rather than the birth data...

I am not sure how others do it, but I go into Astro and create the chart. I then save to the computer. I then go into the paint program (found in accessories folder) and import the jpg of the chart. In paint, you can cut the information out, or you can draw over it with a line. I also use the program to resize the jpeg, as it will usually be too large to upload.

TK

 

[astrologer50]

There is an option in Extended chart selection to ‘anonymised drawing (without name)’ box http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12126


Also in extended chart selection reduce the image size to 63% the smallest before saving, then you won't need to mess around in paint ---

 

[Arian Maverick]

If this is chart is set close to the true time of birth, and she has that tightly fused Sun-Moon-Mercury conjunction, I may offer another idea. An astrologer told me once that individuals who possess a stellium may internalize the energies and sort of hide them from others. This isn't the exact wording she used; I'll have to check my notes.

Arian Maverick

 

[tizer]

Thanks for all the interesting replies. I'm using charts of people I know to aid my learning and I guess this isn't a good one to use!

BTW, for her birth place, it's an aries moon for the entire day.

Just out of curiousity, I was looking at the composite of the guessed chart and my own. See attached. A grand cross, including a 4 planet stellium! Would a composite like this ever get to be friends?!

 

[lillyjgc]

Hi Tizer.

BTW, for her birth place, it's an aries moon for the entire day.

If the moon is at 5 deg Aries at noon on the day of birth, at say five past midnight on the birthdate (12 hours before ),the moon has travelled usually about 7-8 degrees..
That would give a late pisces moon, if she was born just after midnight.

If you want to pm the place of birth to me I'd be happy to look it up for you.

Maybe she can find out from her mother or a relative-even knowing if its a night birth or a day birth can be helpful.

Cheers
Lilly

 

[lillyjgc]

The moon's average daily speed is 13 degrees 10 mins 36 seconds (for those interested.)
Cheers Lilly

 

[sunshine]

I think your friend was born a few days before me 1976. People are shocked to hear i am aries too, but my sun does fall into 12th house, Taurus rising. i find i may be quiet on the outer but inside i feel my aries. I love my independence and i feel the Aries drive when needing to move on, i don't always show my anger but do feel it. Maybe she too is quietly driven by her aries energy, if it is in the chart, it is has to play out somewhere.