When will the orange fall from the tree?
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Andonis
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Well not yet any thoughts by the regulars, so I start with some thinking about the subject.
A fruit may fall from a tree, due to a number of reasons.
1) maturity: The fruit such as oranges mature and if the fruit has not been picked up when it is 'ready' and ripe, it begins to 'age' and then the stem holding it weakens and drops either due to wind or some other minor sudden move of the branch. (What can we use as significator of the fruit? Can we use the 8th house for death as part of separation from the tree? The trigger being the moon or some kind of Uranus action? Gravity here brings it down to earth (4th house) to disintegrate. I am particularly interested for this case where a 'normal' fruit being identified and I ask the question 'when will it fall' and timing it astrologically and then observing it to see when this eventually falls in real to compare real time with Astro time).
2) Diseases: here we have the fruit getting diseases which alter its 'health' and rotting away or being eaten by foreign body until it falls or destroyed. Again if a fruit gets rotten by disease we should be able to time it.
3) A fruit may fall due to poor feeding of nutrients by the tree due to poor soil. This is more like starvation in humans.
I am more interested for case 1 and perhaps case 2.
A fruit may fall from a tree, due to a number of reasons.
1) maturity: The fruit such as oranges mature and if the fruit has not been picked up when it is 'ready' and ripe, it begins to 'age' and then the stem holding it weakens and drops either due to wind or some other minor sudden move of the branch. (What can we use as significator of the fruit? Can we use the 8th house for death as part of separation from the tree? The trigger being the moon or some kind of Uranus action? Gravity here brings it down to earth (4th house) to disintegrate. I am particularly interested for this case where a 'normal' fruit being identified and I ask the question 'when will it fall' and timing it astrologically and then observing it to see when this eventually falls in real to compare real time with Astro time).
2) Diseases: here we have the fruit getting diseases which alter its 'health' and rotting away or being eaten by foreign body until it falls or destroyed. Again if a fruit gets rotten by disease we should be able to time it.
3) A fruit may fall due to poor feeding of nutrients by the tree due to poor soil. This is more like starvation in humans.
I am more interested for case 1 and perhaps case 2.
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Andonis
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Further thoughts:
A fruit is hanging on the tree until it drops on the ground.
Hanging in the air (air sign) until it drops on ground (earth sign and 4th house). Trigger can be the strong wind force for example (sudden effect maybe house change - 3rd to 4th house - or moon or other sudden change due to some other planetary effect (Uranus) for example....
Can the fruit be represented by the ruler of the ascendant and the fall to ground by the ruler of the 4th?
A fruit is hanging on the tree until it drops on the ground.
Hanging in the air (air sign) until it drops on ground (earth sign and 4th house). Trigger can be the strong wind force for example (sudden effect maybe house change - 3rd to 4th house - or moon or other sudden change due to some other planetary effect (Uranus) for example....
Can the fruit be represented by the ruler of the ascendant and the fall to ground by the ruler of the 4th?
isismagdalenne
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I know your talking hypothetically, but if you DID have any charts on it...being a beginner that might help me visualize the process in its symbolic form reflected in the chart. I am very interested in this topic developing in discussion though. I will think on it with you and if any ideas pop into my head on it, Ill let ya know. Maybe one of the other's will chime in.
isismagdalenne
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but I dont think you can use the 8th house as the significator of the fruit. Because death is something that happens TO the fruit, not what it is. the significator IS the fruit. So hmmm... sun...because it soaks up the sun, it gives life, it tastes bright. Or venus because its moist? Houses....the ASC could be, because its the self of the question.... the self of the fruit. the body of the fruit. Or if the owner of the tree takes the 1st, then the maybe the 4th could be the fruit because its part of whats in the ground, part of the earth, part of the estate? Maybe it would ripen by some aspect to the MC?