When transiting Saturn Conjuncts North Node and opposes natal saturn....

IleneK

Premium Member
Is there any karmic lesson when this happen?

If transiting Saturn on your NN opposes your natal Saturn, this means a couple of things. First of all, you have natal Saturn on your SN, so transiting Saturn on the NN kind of balances the natal Saturn SN conjunction, which is a very strong pull to remain with what you know already and a likely reluctance to move forward into your life's calling and aspirations.

This transit is also your natal Saturn opposition. So if it is your first one and you are 14, then it is primarily a challenging developmental time in your young life, depending upon sign, aspect, house and Saturn's condition. If this is the opposition in your early 40's following your first Saturn return, then it will be an illumination of the lessons you were to learn around 28, when the opposition occurred. But in either case, it's about finding balance between what you bring into this life and what you are called to learn, with your tendency to be stuck with what you know to be safe and fearful of extending yourself toward your life's calling.
 

Osamenor

Staff member
I'm wondering the same thing, only in my case, transiting Saturn conjunct the NN isn't in opposition with my natal Saturn, but trining it.

I've had that aspect for the last three quarters of a year, as Saturn has crossed my NN and retrograded back over it, and now is on it again. And trine with natal Saturn.
 

IleneK

Premium Member
I'm wondering the same thing, only in my case, transiting Saturn conjunct the NN isn't in opposition with my natal Saturn, but trining it.

I've had that aspect for the last three quarters of a year, as Saturn has crossed my NN and retrograded back over it, and now is on it again. And trine with natal Saturn.

Then you are having a favorable, more easy flowing aspect to your natal Saturn. What exactly is your question?
 

Osamenor

Staff member
Then you are having a favorable, more easy flowing aspect to your natal Saturn. What exactly is your question?

Kind of what Aries_light said: is there a karmic lesson when this happens? Only I wouldn't phrase it quite that way, because there are always karmic lessons coming up. I guess my real question is about the significance of Saturn transiting the NN, particularly when it's also making an aspect to natal Saturn.
 

Oddity

Well-known member
I have not found transits to have a lot of impact by themselves. If the planet is active in your solar return or by some time-lord technique (profection, progression, what have you) that could be a different story, though.

Anything particularly Saturn-like going on in your life? It may pass without incident.
 

Osamenor

Staff member
I have not found transits to have a lot of impact by themselves. If the planet is active in your solar return or by some time-lord technique (profection, progression, what have you) that could be a different story, though.
I don't know profection, really, and barely understand progressions, but I just had my solar return a couple of weeks ago, and Saturn looks like a powerhouse in my SR chart. Not only is it conjunct my north node there, it squares my sun, which is in my SR eleventh house... Saturn, meanwhile, is transiting my natal eleventh... and while transiting Saturn opposes natal Mars, transiting Mars was almost conjunct natal Saturn at my solar return. Plus, the trine between transiting Saturn and natal Saturn.

And since Saturn rules my Capricorn AC, I've been told that I would feel its transits especially strongly. That was probably a modern astrology perspective, though; no idea if trad would say the same.

Anything particularly Saturn-like going on in your life? It may pass without incident.

Good question. I think I am running into a lot of reality check right now--realizing again and again that what I've been imagining for my life is not necessarily realistic, and that I have to put in some real work where I've been neglecting to do so. And I feel especially Saturnine, I think, because I just turned 40, and for the first time in my life, I understand why people talk about not wanting to have another birthday, feeling depressed about getting older. I've always thought of myself as young, but I really can't call myself that anymore.... is that the kind of thing you mean by Saturn-like?
 

JUPITERASC

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I don't know profection, really,
Each number on the profection wheel = House Profected to the ascendant of the Yearly Profection chart
according to age :smile:


ProfectionWheel.jpg

and barely understand progressions,
Then the following thread may be of interest to you http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26827

A lot of people seem to have problems understanding progressions.
The progressed Planets are nothing more than very very slow moving transits.
Progressions are very internal in nature, meaning they're more likely to affect you mentally than physically.
That doesn't mean progressions don't affect you physically, they can,
for example a Planet progressing into the 6th House
or the 6th House Ruler progressing into the 8th or 12th House
or into certain aspects with the rulers of the 6th, 8th or 12th Houses
can signify an illness.

Progressions are something you do maybe once in your life, and one of the best ways to do that is to write them down. You can use a spread sheet (like I use) or a word processor or write them on a legal pad, or you can use construction paper and crayons, it doesn't really matter. Other than that, all you need is a list of your Planets and the Ascendant and MC, and an ephemeris, which you should buy, but you can also find them online.

An ephemeris will look something like this:

Date............Sun....... Moon..... Mercury...Venus
May 26 1962 04°Ge28' 26°Aq47' 20°Ge23' 03°Cn43'
May 27 1962 05°Ge25' 10°Pi51' 20°Ge22' R 04°Cn55'
May 28 1962 06°Ge23' 25°Pi05' 20°Ge16' 06°Cn07'
May 29 1962 07°Ge21' 09°Ar25' 20°Ge05' 07°Cn19'

The symbolism is "day-for-a-year" so each day after your birthday is one year of your life.

Generally, you want to look at 120 days, which is 120 years of your life. Yes, I know you're not going to live 120 years, but none of you are special. When you die, the Solar System does not grind to a halt; it continues moving. Your chart lives on, even after you die.

There are somethings you might want to know about. Is your Will contested? Does your Estate end up in Probate Court? Does the government seize your Estate? Do your children fight over it? Does your spouse remarry? Maybe you want to comeback and haunt your spouse (or protect your spouse). Do your children marry, divorce, have more children, do your grandchildren marry etc.


Will you receive any awards or accolades, or publish a book? No kidding, a guy in Australia found his grandfather's diary of life in the trenches during World War I. He published it. Guess what? It showed up in the progressions of the grandfather's natal chart.

Here's a snippet from my progressions (sorry the formatting is less than desirable):

Natal .. Position.. Action.. Age.. Date .. ..........Location .. Contact
Venus.. 04°Cn39' Sign .....19 ....Jun 13 1962... 25°Cn14'.. 9th House
Saturn .11°Aq22' Square ..19 ... Jun 13 1962 ...11°Ta17'.. Mars
Neptune 11°Sc29' Opp .....19.... Jun 13 1962 ... 11°Ta17' Mars
Mars 28°Ar29' ...Square ...22 ....Jun 16 1962 .... 28°Cn47' Venus
Uranus 28°Le37' Qu .........22 ....Jun 16 1962..... 28°Cn47' Venus
Venus 04°Cn39' Sign .......23 .....Jun 17 1962..... 29°Cn58' Leo
Mercury 20°Ge22' D ........26...... Jun 20 1962 .....11°Ge52' D Mercury
Mars 28°Ar29' Sextile ......26 ......Jun 20 1962 .....28°Ge23' Sun
Uranus 28°Le37' Sextile ....26 ..... Jun 20 1962 .... 28°Ge23' Sun
Venus 04°Cn39' SSx........ 27 ......Jun 21 1962...... 04°Le41' Venus
Sun 05°Ge13' Con........... 28 ...... Jun 22 1962 .... 05°Le52' Venus
Sun 05°Ge13' Sign ..........28 ....... Jun 22 1962..... 00°Cn18' Sign
Jupiter 10°Pi38' SSx ........28....... Jun 22 1962...... 10°Aq38' Saturn
Moon 07°Pi41' Qu ..........29....... Jun 23 1962 ...... 07°Le03' Venus
Pluto 07°Vi32' Con ........29 ...... Jun 23 1962....... 07°Le03' Venus
MC 01°Vi31' Sextile...... 29 ........Jun 23 1962....... 01°Cn15' Sun

All I've done is write out the year in which there is some contact with progressed Planets.

At age 19, my natal Venus progressed to conjunct the 9th House Cusp at 25° Cancer.

How do you interpret that?

The 9th House Cusp is Cancer ruled by my Moon in my natal 4th House. What is the 9th House? Among things, it's long journeys. 4th House is the home.

I left the United States and didn't return for about 10 years.

See? It ain't so hard.

At age 23 my Venus progressed into the Sign of Leo. I got married. Because Venus progressed into Leo? Not entirely. My natal Mercury was Stationary in the natal 7th House, then it went Retrograde and then it went direct at age 26. In reality, I was actually 25 1/2 years old when Mercury went Direct in my 7th House of Relationships.

That is one of the advantages of writing out your progressions. When you see something like that, natal Venus progressed into the 9th House then into the Sign of Leo while Mercury goes Direct, you want to actually do a chart for that time period and then also look at the transits so you can get a sense of the timing (in this case transiting Moon conjunct Ascendant).

When I was 28, natal Sun changed Signs and entered Cancer. Did I become a Cancer? No, but I did take on some of the traits of Cancer. I became more sensitive, very emotional and extremely traditional, plus I took on a few of the negative characteristics, like brooding and being way too cautious, but then I was suffering from PTSD and the effects were starting to manifest themselves in a serious way.

When my Ascendant progressed into Sagittarius, I did not become a Sagittarius, but I did take on a few traits, like being really straightforward, to the point of being very blunt, and also broadminded and quite the procrastinator.

Natal .... Position .. Action ....Age... Date ............ Location .. Contact
Asc...... 20°Sc43' ..Sextile ....90 .... Aug 23 1962 ...20°Vi41' ... Mercury
Sun..... 05°Ge13' .. Sign .......91 .... Aug 24 1962... 00°Vi33' ....Virgo
MC ......01°Vi31' ....Sextile.... 91 .... Aug 24 1962 .. 01°Cn06'... Mars
Sun.... 05°Ge13'.... House .... 92..... Aug 25 1962 .. 01°Vi31' ...10th House
MC ......01°Vi31'..... Con .......92 .... Aug 25 1962... 01°Vi31' ... Sun

There's where I exit stage left. Not because of those particular progressions, mind you, but because of that and other things going on with transits and the Anareta wants to Tango.

The other benefit to writing out your progressions is that if you don't know the houses, signs, elements and natures (and that would be about 80% of you), then you will when you're done. The elements trine, the natures oppose and square, sextiles are always Fire/Air or Earth/Water etc.

I recommend using some of the minor aspects, like the quincunx, semi-sextile and semi-square.

Often in your life you might notice periods where your relationship with your children, spouse, parents, friends, co-workers or supervisors is a little testy and irritating. I guarantee you'll always find a semi-sextile or semi-square there. And the advantage of knowing that in advance is that you can take a "time-out," give yourself a "yellow card," take a different approach or do other things to make your life and everyone else's more pleasant.

Aspect orbs for progressions are 30' to 1° maximum. In addition to aspects, Planets changing Signs, Houses or going Direct or Retrograde are very important to note. For Planets that go Direct or Retrograde, flip ahead in the ephemeris and look to see if any transiting Planets are conjunct that point, because it will be emphasized. The same is true if a progressed Planet goes Direct or Retrograde at the pre-natal eclipses or the last Moon before birth (which will either be a Full Moon or a New Moon).

What if a progressed Planet goes Direct or Retrograde at the same point where there is a transiting Eclipse or New/Full Moon for that month? I don't know, but note it and look at it in detail later. You can ignore Lunar Eclipses after 3 months, but for Solar Eclipses it'll depend on the nature of the Sign (ie 3 months for Cardinal, 6 months for Mutable and 12 months for Fixed).

After you make your list or table, look at past events and see if you can make sense of them. As I said, not everything will manifest itself in a way that you can physically see. Once you get a feel for past events, you can start looking at future events.
 

Julia Karmic Astrology

Well-known member
Is there any karmic lesson when this happen?

Well, yes! You are going to have some teachable moments. Which is a good thing.

Saturn has been called the Lord of Karma, he is a master teacher. He is a stern taskmaster, but will leave you the gift of wisdom if you learn the lesson he is trying to teach you.

Saturn on your NN means that you are being shown the way to your soul path, a chance to move forward in your soul development, but in a disciplined way.

He is also sending energy to your natal Saturn and SN. The negative traits of the SN sign may arise for the purpose of releasing those traits. Saturn will send you inner strength and resilience, but he may put you through your paces first.

Saturn sitting on your SN in your natal chart means you are really meant to work that nodal lesson and resolve those issues. And now he is coming to give you some help towards that end.
 
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