The existence of the soul may be unprovable, and I will accept that
Very generous of you ....so far , so good !! I am sure your soul appreciates this
but then so must those who believe in the existence of the soul
no they don't .... this is just your expectation /feeling of entitlement. Nature is neither logical nor democratic ....and "fair" is a relative concept and .... as discussed before "proof" is a movable feast.
, those who believe , have , according to their own(personal) standards , all the proof they could ever want or need , probably more if we choose to explore this point.
My point is we can , if we choose , place our perception and attention on a "place" where we must
believe. The act of belief is similar to the act of perception ...... it is "creative" , and , as such it challenges the idea of "The Creator". (this can be shown by way of an obverse proof)
But we have only the tools of logic,
you seem sadly under-equipped , have you overlooked some of the tools in your box. Perhaps you have "thrown out" some useful tools without realising what they were used for??
otherwise our conclusions are meaningless, descending into the realm of superstition and religious belief.
a classic Freudian slip .... watching everybody .....
This statement presupposes (assumes) that "superstition and religious belief" are "meaningless"
The statement may be true for you Wayne .... the Rest of the World & I, on the other hand , will make our own choices as to what is meaningful or not .... Thank you very much.
Descartes proved logically that we exist as individual entities, and by inference that there are other individuals.
proved !! ?? [they shoot horses don't they??] you are flogging a dead horse Mate !!
Proof is arbitrary ..... sheesh .... how many times have we got to go through the basics!!
[the force is strong with this one
Logic !!! ??? ..... puh-leeeease , this would be your testosterone loaded "Ayn Rand" version of logical inference would it not ...... y'know the one .
"Logic" , as with "proof" , is bound up in the subjective roots of Culture ...... yes , even your logic. (e.g. try using Fundamentalist Xtian Logic ... "it is in the bible , therefore etc.,etc.," - sounds illogical to me , yet , there are millions who believe
Simple observation seems to be killing your seemingly glib and scholarly position .....
when you can control the rules of your world then you can speak with certainty and definition and your words will have ultimate power & be "the law". Hopefully , you will be very happy on your own.(which is another deep point - for another thread perhaps.)
On the other hand , my world is very different from yours , if you dont like it , go back to yours.
Don't try and force me to live in "your (self-constucted) world" .. OK??
but we cannot prove that as individual entities we somehow have some kind of existence that survives physical death.
i laffed hard at this one ..... based on the obvious truth that "existence exists" ....... again .....What
is existence ???
When you answer that (and a lot of people have tried) then your question will be a doddle. Too easy !!
The heart stops, the body rots away. What is left, and if anything is left then where does it go?
again you miss the obvious ( it's not your fault , it is your upbringing and education) ......... Why
does it go ???
Wayne , you really must put aside what you have learned whilst you learn new things. It must be clear to you by now , that you are not dealing with an idiot ...... yet , for all your intelligence and ability , your tools will not make a mark on your level of understanding .... you need the right tool for the right job and "western thinking" is not the right tool !!!!!
Grow , in any direction you choose ......... just ~!@#$%^ grow !!!
What do you think the other 90% of your brain is doing ??
Where do you think it sees itself ??