what is the benefit of modern astrology?

[yellowsapphire]

what is the benefit of modern astrology?

 

[conspiracy theorist]

enlightenment

 

[dr. farr]

For me, the additional insights provided by consideration of Uranus, Neptune, and-to a moderate degree-Pluto; also, the great predictive value of the Modernist technique of simple symbolic progression; and, over-all, the guidance and insights I have received from the works of Modernist pioneer Charles Carter, including what I learned from some of the articles (by various old time Modernist authors)found in the old issues of his "Modern Astrology" periodical, which I have managed to find and to add to my large collection of astrological texts.

Consideration of the thought-provoking works of radical Modernist Johndro, I also consider a benefit of Modern astrology (although I have come to no final conclusions regarding much of what Johndro has written-in his 3 books, and in his numerous articles in astrological periodical literature during the 1920's and 30's)

 

[iauiugu]

you mean, opposed to classical astrology? or some other predictive and/or psychological system?

uranus, pluto, and neptune seem to constellate aspects of the human experience otherwise not covered in astrology, and like conspiracy theorist said, help bring enlightenment

 

[Phoenix Venus]

Because were not stuck in the dark ages and, the more you learn, the more you know. What is evolution without necessary adapting.

If science stayed the same it'd mean we already knew all the answers.

Replace "Astrology" with the word "science" in your question and it's a no brainer. It's what will propel us towards further understanding.

#enlightenment

 

[Phoenix Venus]

I do believe astrology will be a major factor in bridging the gap between science and spirituality.

We still have a lot to learn yet in order to accomplish that.

We won't get anywhere by thinking we already have all the answers.

To use a colorful expression, that mode of thinking is like using 2-d charts in a 3-d world.

"If it ain't broke don't fix it" but can a typewriter do what a computer does?

You take what you know and use it as a foundation to build upon. That is the true beauty of discovery of knowledge. "Modern" astrology isn't necessarily perfected especially in the mainstream but without modern techniques and discoveries, we cannot grow.

If we stopped fighting over mod vs trad, (black vs white, dem vs rep, etc.) got our heads out of our behinds, we could begin to make progress.

 

[dr. farr]

I also like how it was Modernist astrology which revived (into practical use) some of the very oldest techniques of ancient astrology:

-item: the decans (Chaldean decans, or "faces") had largely fallen into disuse (or minor consideration at best) in later (Reformation era) astrology (triplicity and term considerations received much greater emphasis); Modernist pioneer Alan Leo re-introduced the decans (in his case the elemental decans) as a significant delineative factor; this led other Modernists to investigate and elevate the importance of the traditional faces (the Chaldean decans) and to rediscover and re-introduce even the unique decan system of Manilius (from 14 AD)

-item: the Greco-Roman system of dodekametoria (sign 1/12ths), while continuing to be mentioned as late as Reformation era astrological texts, had in reality become pretty much a minor factor-if any factor at all-in astrological delineation. This important concept (called "dwads" in Modernist astrology) was re-introduced by Modernist author T. Escobar in the mid-20th century ("The 144 Doors of the Zodiac"), and today finds some place in the more advanced Modernist astrological delineative practice.

-item: Medieval master astrologer Bonatti had advocated a system involving a type of mid-point delineation; his basic concept was resuscitated and greatly enlarged by Modernist authors as the system of mid-points, such as are found especially important in the field of Modernist astrology developed by R. Ebertin and the school known as Cosmobiology.

-item: a renewed emphasis upon star connections- now found in both contemporary Traditionalist and Modernist astrology- received its initial impulse from the work of early Modernist authors Alvidas and, especially, Vivian Robson.

 

[david starling]

It made Astrology popular and keeps it popular. And, there are those who began as Modern and rediscovered Traditional Astrology. There's a synergistic relationship between Modern and Traditional.

 

[CapAquaPis]

Modern astrology emphasizes the power, free will and ability of the individual not blocked by fate. Sidereal or astronomically correct astrology is an option, but not everyone follows that version. More planets in our charts give better, fuller details. And less restrictive viewpoints based on a person's gender or economic class is a big part of Aquarian Age astrology.

 

[kshantaram]

How did traditional astrology with nine planets predict events-trends which modern astrology predicts with the coming of uranus, neptune, pluto - curious to learn of, help compare and contrast, and understand farther value of modern astrology. Was traditional astrology to the point too, or miss the point somewhere - any studies, affirmations, in this context.

humble regards,


kshantaram

 

[david starling]

How did traditional astrology with nine planets predict events-trends which modern astrology predicts with the coming of uranus, neptune, pluto - curious to learn of, help compare and contrast, and understand farther value of modern astrology. Was traditional astrology to the point too, or miss the point somewhere - any studies, affirmations, in this context.

humble regards,


kshantaram

It's actually a "mandala" of 7--Moon, Sun ruling one Sign each, and Mercury through Saturn ruling two Signs each. Tightly woven, with clearly spelled out relationships between Rulers, Signs, and Houses. It's at the roots of Modern Astrology, which branched out from there.

 

[iauiugu]

How did traditional astrology with nine planets predict events-trends which modern astrology predicts with the coming of uranus, neptune, pluto - curious to learn of, help compare and contrast, and understand farther value of modern astrology. Was traditional astrology to the point too, or miss the point somewhere - any studies, affirmations, in this context.

As far as I understand, the newly discovered planets are associated with concepts we are only beginning to better grasp, that they were thoroughly outside of what all people, nevermind astrologers, would have been able to use in prediction

Uranus, discovered between the American and French revolutions, heralded the modern idea of democracy, representative government, against rule by birth

Neptune, associated with psychology, has come with de-mystification and secularization of our understanding of Spirit, Soul, and Mind, the deep wells associated with the planet.

Pluto, associated with totalitarianism and commercialism, has come with acknowledging the primal urges still present in modern man, and how subliminal manipulations of masses is a constant threat, for all our advances

i am not too knowledgeable in history to say how truly modern these ideas are, but this is at least how i've heard some of it explained that classical astrology could function so long without them

also, the modern bodies reflect changes among people on scales larger than people use to be able to conceive, so even if they were known they may not have been too useful until recently.

 

[iauiugu]

It's actually a "mandala" of 7--Moon, Sun ruling one Sign each, and Mercury through Saturn ruling two Signs each. Tightly woven, with clearly spelled out relationships between Rulers, Signs, and Houses. It's at the roots of Modern Astrology, which branched out from there.

are you referring to this mandala?

it's interesting to add the modern planets, and see the contrast between the order of the signs, and the order of the planets from the sun

it's no longer the elegant model it was in the ancient time, that's for sure.

and if there's yet-to-be-confirmed Truer rulers to take a sign each from mercury and venus, then they'll add their own complications for bringing a new elegance to the system

 

[Phoenix Venus]

It's simple. The 3 outer planets are higher octaves of the 3 inner ones.

 

[waybread]

I've never understood the octave concept. Can you explain it?

Otherwise I'll continue to think we can get along quite well with out it.

To the OP: I think modern astrology does a lot better with basic natal chart interpretations than traditional astrology.

 

[david starling]

I've never understood the octave concept. Can you explain it?

Otherwise I'll continue to think we can get along quite well with out it.

To the OP: I think modern astrology does a lot better with basic natal chart interpretations than traditional astrology.

There's a real problem with it, because the Moon and Sun are in a different category than the planets. But, if you just arrange them all by rate of motion, fasted to slowest, you have to start with the Moon, as the first "note" of the octave, and the Moon at a higher frequency for the next octave would then be equated with , Mercury at a higher frequency would be Neptune, and the Sun would be Pluto. If you use just the planets, and start with Mercury, you have only 5, so becomes the 6th "note", Neptune the 7th, and Pluto becomes the higher frequency of Mercury for the next octave. Nice idea, sounds good, but it doesn't fit the musical scales, as the word "octave" implies.

 

[waybread]

There's a real problem with it, because the Moon and Sun are in a different category than the planets. But, if you just arrange them all by rate of motion, fasted to slowest, you have to start with the Moon, as the first "note" of the octave, and the Moon at a higher frequency for the next octave would then be equated with , Mercury at a higher frequency would be Neptune, and the Sun would be Pluto. If you use just the planets, and start with Mercury, you have only 5, so becomes the 6th "note", Neptune the 7th, and Pluto becomes the higher frequency of Mercury for the next octave. Nice idea, sounds good, but it doesn't fit the musical scales, as the word "octave" implies.

Thanks, David-- moreover, what really does it add to horoscope interpretation to say that one planet is an octave of another?

 

[david starling]

Thanks, David-- moreover, what really does it add to horoscope interpretation to say that one planet is an octave of another?

Well, if you separate it from the music metaphor, it means there a unique and intrinsic relationship, a sort of kinship, between the pairs--Mercury/, Venus/Neptune, and Mars/Pluto, that otherwise might go unnoticed. I think the first of each pair would be the "higher-frequency" partner though.

 

[Phoenix Venus]

Well there's still a lot of unknown variables. Such as how did the shattered planet fit into the zodiac? And are there other bodies that we don't know about?

 

[dr. farr]

While not disparaging the "higher octave" hypothesis in the least, I personally prefer Charles Carter's outline of the outer planets as "dynamic mixtures" of the fundamental 7 planetary energetic qualities:

Uranus = Mercury + Mars (and some Sun qualities)
Neptune = Venus + Jupiter + a great deal of Moon (Lunar) qualities
Pluto = Mars + Saturn (modified by Sun quality elements)