What are you learning from COVID?

david starling

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When does it become a chicken in your view?

And when does the fetus become a baby?

Do you support third trimester abortions?

After researching the development curve, absolutely not!
Except for serious complications that would almost certainly endanger the mother's life.
Even then, by the 3rd trimester every effort should be made to save the fetus outside of the womb.
 
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david starling

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Los Angeles Times today headlines: - May 5th, 2020:


a Warning:
May. 05, 2020 A mutant coronavirus, possibly more contagious, has overtaken the original, study says

Scientists have identified a mutated strain of the coronavirus that has become dominant worldwide and appears to be more contagious than the versions that spread in the early days of the COVID-19 pandemic, according to a new study led by scientists at Los Alamos National Laboratory.

The new strain appeared in February in Europe, migrated quickly to the East Coast of the U.S. and has been the dominant strain across the world since mid-March, the scientists wrote. Read more

(sorry, I couldn't open the link myself - but it comes to me with new breaking news via emails)



Trump revises the estimates of Deaths from Covid19 to become at least 3,000 per day from June on... (thats 100,00 per month by my estimate)
Furthermore, its based on approximately millions of new expected cases running around the United States now that he insisted on opening the country up.

Is he still planning on reopening, with that estimate?!?
 

leomoon

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Is he still planning on reopening, with that estimate?!?


You bet your bippee he is! He already has. Haven't you seen the nightly news, with Michigan protestors carrying Uzi machineguns & AK47s even into the State House? Those are the people going to Trump ralllies according to one man in another state (Colorado) just arrested for having an arsenal in his home planning on a big explosion.


Those millions you see without masks, with signs especially, and trying to spit on officers & law enforcement NOW in many states are simply organized by Trump groups.



https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pro...zens-anti-lockdown-protests/story?id=70395717


We should be seeing this in the natal charts and in his charts in particular with many 12th house progressed planets today.





https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-trump-protests-idUSKCN2233ES


https://www.rawstory.com/2020/05/te...n-the-pandemic/?utm_source=push_notifications
 

leomoon

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Today's news on Covid19 is not only that its a "novel virus", meaning, it can mutate as mentioned above, but because of the "acceptable numbers of dead expected" from the Trump Administration- and extraordinarily high sick (a-symptomatic, etc) walking about from all this expected to be in the millions of sick and "don't realize they are sick" spreading -

Pence announced he will be closing the Daily (pretend faux rallies) COVID19 Briefings after May 25th - on TV. He said, if its back, after June 1st, it will be quite different.


The reason is easy for thinking people, to logic out here.


Why?

Well, he's so in over his head now, with acceptable cases & deaths expected- that a) not having daily briefings anymore, he can begin to control his crowds better by not answering hard questions by journalists each day
b) he can concentrate on what he did today at Honeywell in Phoenix - (spread his propaganda elsewhere without those pesky questions about Dr. Richard Bright which is a scandal breaking NOW)
c) Blame China
d) Blame the Governors



and....:whistling: he walks away clean "jack" :rightful: :devil:


(all just imo) :wink:
IF ANYONE HAS OR KNOWS SOMEONE WITH LITTLE CHILDREN, PLEASE WARN THEM ABOUT THIS LATEST STUDY:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/05/the...o-be-more-contagious-now-new-study-finds.html




here is the Science behind the new findings: (37 pg. pdf)

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.29.069054v1.full.pdf
 
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leomoon

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I'm not saying that ALL the Republican Governors are in on this....just the die-hards who support Trump seem to be like Texas Gov. Abbott:


note: IMO, this is just about states' (bottom line) revenue before people's lives, and that is exactly Trump policy and has been for months now. Nothing new here, except its getting out more in bits and pieces. The two doctors (Fauci & Birg) know this already and always have...They didn't just fall off the turnip truck you know, :lol:

Trump's GOP (not all are of course part of it) like Larry Hogan (R-Md) and a few others - will resist...as long as they can.



The video or videos can be listened to on the link -

This is just a image capture of one:






https://www.rawstory.com/2020/05/te...n-the-pandemic/?utm_source=push_notifications
 

CapAquaPis

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Los Angeles Times today headlines: - May 5th, 2020:


a Warning:
May. 05, 2020 A mutant coronavirus, possibly more contagious, has overtaken the original, study says

Scientists have identified a mutated strain of the coronavirus that has become dominant worldwide and appears to be more contagious than the versions that spread in the early days of the COVID-19 pandemic, according to a new study led by scientists at Los Alamos National Laboratory.

The new strain appeared in February in Europe, migrated quickly to the East Coast of the U.S. and has been the dominant strain across the world since mid-March, the scientists wrote. Read more

(sorry, I couldn't open the link myself - but it comes to me with new breaking news via emails)



Trump revises the estimates of Deaths from Covid19 to become at least 3,000 per day from June on... (thats 100,000 per month by my estimate)
Furthermore, its based on approximately millions of new expected cases running around the United States now that he insisted on opening the country up.

This was old news back a month ago when scientists knew the Eastern USA had an European strain, a stronger type of Coronavirus to produce Covid-19. There are 30 strains, but I read there were 3 or a variation within these 3 strains of SARS-2 Coronavirus exist. The less lethal and contagious strain in East Asia and western USA could explain these regions have less infection cases and deaths than Western Europe and eastern USA if you look at this pandemic carefully.
 

leomoon

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The scientists and doctors here are telling us they are still learning as they get feedback from these new maladies they are now witnessing. So it seems they are saying the whole story is not yet told.


I know I see many children right in my neighborhood from ages 5-15 who don't wear masks, and in some cases neither do the parents. For the most part they are Trump voters and supporters and of course he has not worn a mask to date, not even today while visiting Honeywell in Arizona where they are making hundreds of thousands of masks now.



Its not exactly a good role model for either adults or children. According to the links and the pdf (33 page research papers) - children are now coming down with something that resembles what we use to call back in the 1980s, "Toxic Shock Syndrome" or "Kawasaki' syndrome. Back then I recall teenagers often girls would die from this strange malady.



The similarities they are noticing is large rashes over much of the body, organ failure and heart issues. Also, a symptom would be red eyes.



Doctors are working hard to find a vaccine, both here and abroad.



Kawasaki Syndrome. Definition. Kawasaki syndrome is a potentially fatal inflammatory disease that affects several organ systems in the body, including the heart, circulatory system, mucous membranes, skin, and immune system. It occurs primarily in infants and children but has also been identified in adults as old as 34 years.Kawasaki syndrome | definition of ... - Medical Dictionary


medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Kawasaki+syndrome



A rare disease that affects the blood vessels.
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Rare (Fewer than 200,000 cases per year in US)


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Requires lab test or imaging


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Treatment from medical professional advised


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Can last several days or weeks



Exact cause is not known; bacteria, virus and environmental factors may play a role. Red eyes, fever and skin peeling are the common symptoms. In case of heart complications, medication and angioplasty are the treatment option.
 

leomoon

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the other one they say it bears a resemblance to is TSS:
A life-threatening illness caused due to bacterial toxins.
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Very rare (Fewer than 20,000 cases per year in US)


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Treatment from medical professional advised


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Often requires lab test or imaging


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Can last several days or weeks


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Transmitted through indirect contact


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More common in females


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Certain types can be dangerous or life threatening


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Urgent medical attention recommended


https://www.sfgate.com/news/coronavirus/article/Doctors-Toxic-shock-could-be-linked-to-15249096.php


On Monday, the New York City Health Department reported that 15 children between the ages of 2 and 15 had developed a multi-system inflammatory illness, sharing characteristics of toxic shock syndrome or Kawasaki disease, which causes swelling in blood vessels throughout the body.
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Doctors: Toxic shock could be linked to coronavirus in kids



Guatemalan child age 7, receives a COVID-19 swab test from a nurse as his father Marvin holds him down at a clinic on May 5, 2020 in Stamford, Connecticut. Junior and Marvin were being re-tested to see if they are now are negative, a month after getting sick from coronavirus.








For months, it seemed, one of the few positive aspects of COVID-19 was that most experts agreed it did not usually result in serious illness in children. But new evidence shows a possible link between the respiratory illness and an inflammatory syndrome that can require cardiac or respiratory support in some young patients.
While doctors say the complications do not appear to have surfaced in any Connecticut cases, they believe it’s likely just a matter of time.


On Monday, the New York City Health Department reported that 15 children between the ages of 2 and 15 had developed a multi-system inflammatory illness, sharing characteristics of toxic shock syndrome or Kawasaki disease, which causes swelling in blood vessels throughout the body.


Only four of these patients tested positive for COVID-19, but another six might have been previous infected with the illness, according to blood tests.




“All patients had subjective or measured fever and more than half reported rash, abdominal pain, vomiting, or diarrhea,” the health department’s statement read. “Respiratory symptoms were reported in less than half of these patients.”


Though the statement mentions that cases such as these have popped up “elsewhere in the United States,” at least two Connecticut doctors said they’ve not heard reports of it here — yet.
Dr. Zane Saul, Bridgeport Hospital’s infectious disease chief, said he’s not yet heard of children in Connecticut developing these inflammatory conditions, but it’s likely to happen at some point.


“I imagine if it’s in (New York), it will come here,” he said.
Dr. Dara Richards, chief medical officer at Bridgeport-based Southwest Community Health Center, said the center, which primarily serves the uninsured and underinsured population, hadn’t seen inflammatory illness linked to COVID-19, either.
“We have only had a few young children who have tested positive,” she said. “Those few had typical COVID symptoms, such as fever and cough, and their symptoms were mild. They did not require hospitalization.”
Saul said the idea that these inflammatory illnesses could be linked to COVID-19 is contrary to how most doctors believed the disease affects children.


“We didn’t see kids getting quite as ill and we thought because the immune system was too immature and didn’t overreact,” he said.
But inflammatory conditions are an immune response, Saul said, so it’s possible that children’s bodies are aggressively attacking the virus in some cases.
Though the New York cases all involved children hospitalized between April 17 and May 1, there have been indications for a while that there could be a link between COVID-19 and inflammatory conditions in children. On April 8, the American Academy of Pediatrics published an article about a case study of an infant who tested positive for COVID-19 and also was treated for Kawasaki.
 

petosiris

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After researching the development curve, absolutely not!
Except for serious complications that would almost certainly endanger the mother's life.
Even then, by the 3rd trimester every effort should be made to save the fetus outside of the womb.

A woman today may give birth after 4 months and her offspring may live under extraordinary circumstances.

Of this, one prophet of the Jews wrote: ''And the children of a year old shall speak with their voices, the women with child shall bring forth untimely children of three or four months old, and they shall live, and be raised up. And suddenly shall the sown places appear unsown, the full storehouses shall suddenly be found empty: And the trumpet shall give a sound, which when every man heareth, they shall be suddenly afraid.''
 

!4C

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I just watched American Experience - Spanish Influenza. :sideways: Similarities between then and now are interesting.
This documentary was only an hour long intro and left out a lot of details. The series tends to focus on survivor interviews rather than just presenting historical information. Basically their goal is to humanize historical events.

It briefly mentioned food shortages due to illness in the supply chain workforce, which we see now. There have been many reports of crops left to rot in the fields. Some farmers aren't planting certain crops due to fears of weak demand around harvest time. Fortunately, the disruptions are temporary and asynchronous, so it's manageable. Unfortunately, prices will be higher for what is available, which hurt the poor first.

The doc also mentioned protests against some bans on events with large gatherings, which we have seen. While it mentions mask wearing, it did didn't mention the Anti-Mask League that was discussed in this twitter thread.

The decade old documentary questions why we, as a society, have chosen to forget all the lessons learned, which is interesting given that the current social aspects seem similar. The only difference is modern communications making it easier for some to work from home.

I also find it interesting that all vaccine attempts failed. Society built up enough of an immunity that it faded out over time. Of course this only happened because it didn't produce any more nasty mutations. That makes me wonder it SARS-CoV-2 would go away on its own when the hard saturn-jupiter-pluto-uranus transits are over, assuming they indicate the mutations of a virus that already existed.
 

david starling

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david starling

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I'm learning that "modern medicine" is totally inadequate when it comes to eradicating the diseases that afflict us. Maybe because there's $$$profit to be made from being inadequate.
 

wan

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This virus has reinforced my opinion that one does not need to be out and about all the time for entertainment. One can easily find one's "kicks" staying at home. Of course being the introvert that I am, I already know this. It's up to the extroverts to realize that their outgoing ways not only put them in danger sometimes, they are also not good for the planet (they drive to get to places, which contributes to green house gas).

Almost all restaurants being closed is very hard on someone like me, though. And it's very difficult to spin it into something positive. I like and need my favourite foods.
 

leomoon

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This is an article by Astromanda, who does both tropical and sidereal Vedic. I thought it might be interesting to follow the Kalasarpa Yoga she introduced - to see if indeed the virus or some other event follows the graph dates at all:


http://www.astromanda.com/nodal-bind/

COVID19 Pandemic: The nodal bind again occurs now between from Feb 25 2020 to May 29 2020 for 84 days amidst the period of Pluto Saturn Conjunction in Capricorn. We started hearing about Corona virus in the middle of January 2020, and then people started googling it, becoming curious, but in a month’s time, by the end of February, the whole World was hysteric about it.



We went from washing hands, wearing gloves and masks, social distancing, shelter in place, school and business closures to complete lock-down in some countries.



This nodal bind will be broken by Mercury coming out of the bind on May 29. The nodal bind will occur again from Dec 2020 to March 2021 for 87 days, and again from Dec 2021 to April 2022 for 130 days.



This could mean that although the epidemic subsides in May 2020, there could be a second and third wave of COVID-19, or some other event possibly that binds us apart,
The good news is that if we survive, the next nodal bind only occurs in 2036!


 

CapAquaPis

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This is an article by Astromanda, who does both tropical and sidereal Vedic. I thought it might be interesting to follow the Kalasarpa Yoga she introduced - to see if indeed the virus or some other event follows the graph dates at all:


http://www.astromanda.com/nodal-bind/

COVID19 Pandemic: The nodal bind again occurs now between from Feb 25 2020 to May 29 2020 for 84 days amidst the period of Pluto Saturn Conjunction in Capricorn. We started hearing about Corona virus in the middle of January 2020, and then people started googling it, becoming curious, but in a month’s time, by the end of February, the whole World was hysteric about it.



We went from washing hands, wearing gloves and masks, social distancing, shelter in place, school and business closures to complete lock-down in some countries.



This nodal bind will be broken by Mercury coming out of the bind on May 29. The nodal bind will occur again from Dec 2020 to March 2021 for 87 days, and again from Dec 2021 to April 2022 for 130 days.



This could mean that although the epidemic subsides in May 2020, there could be a second and third wave of COVID-19, or some other event possibly that binds us apart, The good news is that if we survive, the next nodal bind only occurs in 2036!



The 1980s had the most nodal binds on the chart (6 of them), this is when the HIV/AIDS pandemic has really grew in proportion in size around the world. It was also a time of increased tension after detente (1965-78) between the US and USSR, but by Christmas day 1991, the Soviet Union vanished into world history. And the 1940s had 4 (the 2020s will have 3, I'm referring to decades in recent memory), two to occur during WW2 and two more after as the cold war developed between Allies to turn into adversaries, both have nuclear weaponry.
 

CapAquaPis

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And I was born a month (Feb 15, 1980) after a nodal bind in Dec 1979-Jan 1980 when the lunar nodes were in cusp Leo/Virgo (true) and Aquarius/Pisces. Mars, Jupiter and Saturn were in Virgo in the first 3 months of 1980, could be a representation of great tension between the USA and former ally turned enemy the Islamic Republic of Iran which began in 1979 under Ayatollah Khomeini in the first months of the 444-day US embassy hostage standoff in Tehran. And the US was allied with the new Iraqi president...Saddam Hussein, whom invaded Iran and this led to a 8-year stalemate war. This was before Iraq invaded and occupied Kuwait in 1990-91 until they were pushed out by the US in the First Gulf War. To look at Mars in a nodal bind (along in stellium with Jupiter and Saturn), you can tell the heightened risk of war is predicted there.
 

leomoon

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Is it possible that lockdown would not occur again during the follow on periods, since the node will no longer be with Saturn and Pluto? The node will be more than 30 degrees from Saturn, and anyway most Vedic astrologers don’t recognize Pluto?


It will be enlightening for us to watch and see. In Vedic, they don't use the outers, but she did in her example, and it seems the study she did brings the number or percentage down signficantly - (using outers)



n Vedic Astrology, Kalasarpa Yoga occurs when all the planets except for outer planets (Uranus, Neptune and Pluto) are placed between the Nodes. It is said the head (Rahu) and tail (Ketu) of the snake tie up the planets – like a nodal bind. It has many variations, but generally speaking it is said to cause afflictions to countries, leaders, people, etc., and especially significant in Mundane Astrology.



Bringing this concept to tropical astrology by including all the ten planets (including the outer planets). the nodal bind occurs roughly 3% of the time.
 
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