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Message: <blockquote data-quote="piercethevale" data-source="post: 1044037" data-attributes="member: 5785">What? Far from it,, in that I both completely understand the symbol and can relate to it very well. I have been a yogi since 1968.  Thee opposite degree is  right next to my Asc., and that is "WHO" I am, or more to the truth, presently, who I was born as. The 17th of Taurus, where my natal Sun is located, is that next step in this cycle of transformation from that of my Desc. and the opposite degree, the 17th of Scopio, is the degree that follows that of my Asc... that is when one follows the cycle of symbols i the direction that leads to spiritual evolution.Marc Edmond Jones never realized that there are two ways, two opposite directions in which these symbols can be read, can be followed. In fact Jones didn't even recognize them for what they are, if you read the opening chpter to Rudhyar's book you will find that He was studying astrology through a cours given by Jones via the mail in the early 1930's and after some time He saw that they are  360 phases in a cycle of transormation but that He also saw that there were a numbe of them that didn't fit in. I don't know exactly how many but there were a "few". WhenHe learned that Elsie Wheeler was just a half days drive away from where he was residing at the time, Dane drove there, introduced himself, and asked Miss Wheeler if by chance she could remember exactly the descriptions she gave for those particular sdegrees of the Zodiac. She replied that she could do better than that, as Jones had given her all 360 of the cards which were used in the session that He and Elsie had used that day and that Jones had written her exact words on each of the cards that had been marked with the Sign and degree of the Zodiac before the session began.When Rudhyar saw the cards for the degrees of the symbols that had been under his suspicion, Dane found that he was right. Jones had changed everyone that was under suspicion to something other than Elsie said that she saw. Marc Edmond Jones was "busted".Jones had a preconceived belief as to what the symbols would imply and changed enough of them to fit his own agenda.Jones changed them back before he published his own book in 1953. Dane, however, took over 40 years to write his book on the symbols, not because He was by any means slow to comprehend, far from it. As like Lao Tze, whom is reputed to have said that he wished He had two lifetimes so as to live as long as he felt was need to thoroughly understand and produce his treatise on the I Ching, Dane took all the time He had in which to do the same for the Sabian Symbols. As Dane was 78 years old when he finally published his own book. If you doubt that He was qualified to do so, then I suggest that you learn of Danes background history and what He studied, and the teachers He had prior to even getting interested in Astrology. I'll give you just a bit of that now. He studied Carl Jung very much in depth, for one.The Sabian Symbol for my Desc., as I explained, is about freeing oneself from the material, from possessions, from worldly attachment. As I am one that has achieved a certain level in the practice of yoga, and by a most rare practice and path only achieved without knowing of it beforehand, and not having it as a preconceived goal. [as explained by Swami Sivananda in his book, "Japa Yoga",  I am sishya of the bij, OM. The only guru, and satguru, that I have is the bij, "the Word of God". You would probably, and only possibly at that unless you are familiar with yogic Orders and guru disciple relationships, only understand this by reading that book, at least the few paragraphs in that book that explain how one finds themselves to be on this path. I have thought about it for the last, almost, 17 years since I learned of this, as to the set of circumstances that has to occur to end up being such a sishya and to be given such a path, but I have been just that, and on this path since August of 1968]  I have been, as my fellow yogi Suryakant says sometimes, "pulled through the 'Cosmic Knothole'", which means I've been stripped bare of all, of everything, or rather I should add that I will be eventually, as I have been pulled through that "Knothole" many times, and I expect to be pulled through it again... as there still remains, some shreds of the veil of Maya, the illusion, the material, some small flickers of desire, some  granules of the ego, that still remain.  So, as for making that transition from the "WHO" at the Asc. to the "WHERE-TO" [or "WHOM-YO" if one prefers to think of it in that manner] I've been there and done that... or to be most honest... via that "Cosmic Knothole"... it was done to me.I'm certainly not trying to brag here, far from it, as I pointed out it wasn't something I set out to achieve as a goal... and I truly sympathize with anyone else that may have, or ever happens to find themselves in the same predicament. ....although, having been on this path as long as I have now, and enduring what all I have had happen to me as a result of it, I understand why it did, what is expected of me, and I prostrate myself before the wisdom of the Divine that gave me this sadhana and destiny. I am a servant of God.Now, having said all that, it may surprise you to know that the opposite degree here in question, that opposite my Sun, the 17th of Scorpio happens to be my Astrological Part of Destiny [M.C + Sun - Moon]Here's what Dane wrote about it [ibid.]SCORPIO 17°: "A WOMAN, FECUNDATED BY HER OWN SPIRIT, IS 'GREAT WITH CHILD'.KEYNOTE: A total reliance upon the dictates of the God-within. In contrast to the outgoing smile of the girl in the preceding symbol, here we see the result of a deep and complete concentration reaching to the innermost center of the personality where the Living God acts as a fecundating power. This reveals the potency of the inward way, the surrender of the ego to a transcendent Force which can create through the person vivid manifestations of the Will of God. This second phase of the forty-sixth five-fold sequence brings to us the realization of normally hidden potentialities in the average human being of our day. Faith in the Divine is shown here being concretely justified. The human person becomes a 'mother of the Living God'. This is THE TRANSPERSONAL WAY of existence. It is the way that leads to creative mutations." May you find the truths you are seeking. Please know that one of the many names of our Creator, the One God, is known in the Sanskrit/Vedic language as Sat,  and Sat means Truth.... and if it helps you, at least I hope so, know that another name for God is Prema, and Prema means Love.Eternal Light and Love be thine, Devananda, aka piercethevale... [but to my family and close friends, I'm just Dave.]</blockquote>

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